More On Cuba
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No, pilt. There's plenty of evidence of the Cuban government's oppression and violence toward Cuban citizens. Are you actually going to try to deny that?
The one that eliminated the verbiage of "achieving a communist society" and replaced it with something along the lines of the Communist Party is the “superior leading force of society and the State?” Dayum, what an improvement.
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I'm sure the Cuban government's stranglehold on outside information is probably just a coincidence. Definitely not repressive...
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I hope you understand the opportunity this affords you. Instead of being in the position of having to defend Cuba’s well known atrocities in a “whataboutism” manner so you can say they aren’t so bad, you can rail against them as compared to the socialist gold standard that is Norway. Which is basically all I’ve ever asked you to do on this thread. It’s a win-win for you. You can show living proof how socialism is a good thing for people with Norway as your standard and Cuba’s shortcomings as a test group. This gives you a legitimate chance to look at Cuba and say “that’s not socialism,” thus eliminating your hypocrisy that has been so apparent until now. It gives you carte blanche to denounce Cuba in the way you should have done from the start.
Cuba is a communist shithole, under the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur (get davey to google it for you, sys) if nothing else. Anyone who says, or even remotely suggests, otherwise is a dumb shit.
I'm sorry that Cuba's commie "government" made itself into a festering pinko abscess, pilt. I'm sure that the dipshit jobless jealous bitch boy loser Karl Marx's pseudoscience was sure to be a success if that damn embargo hadn't have happened. Shucks. 😕
Why did the Cuban government cut internet access to the island recently? To decrease oppression? I eagerly await your answer.
Yeah Dan, Norway has liberal politics. Thats good. I wish Cuba could have liberal politics too.
Now lets compare the circumstances of Norway and Cuba and see if we can figure out why one might have liberal politics and one a more closed repressive government.
Prior Regime- Norway: Liberal Democracy, Cuba: US backed Right Wing Dictatorship
Prior Economy- Norway: Developed and Marshall Plan recipient, Cuba: Sugar Plantation Colony
Access To World Trade- Norway: good trade relations with its region, Cuba: embargoed by the laregest economy in the world and main trade partner
Foreign Interference- Norway- Sovereignity respected, Cuba: Invaded, Assassination attempts, Constant CIA interference.
Well, there we have it. According to you Cuba is the moral equal to Norway. The only thing holding Cuba down has been an embargo by one country that dropped from its largest trading partner to fourth largest. Yeah, that’s the ticket! Cuba would be Norway if not for that pesky embargo.
(Really, Pilt, please stop before you make yourself look any more foolish.)
It's a pretty major embargo, Dan.
But maybe you will notice I mentioned other factors besides an embargo?
What I noticed is what you avoided mentioning. You obviously took great joy in showing Cuba’s incarceration rate and death penalty rate as compared to the US, confirming to yourself that the US is more of a police state than Cuba. (Which you have to know is preposterous nonsense.) You were asked to show those rates as between Cuba and Norway. Instead you tried to show all the reasons Cuba can’t match up to Norway because the rest of the world is mean to Cuba, saying nothing about the criminal factor. That’s the main thing I noticed.
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Maybe you should read the whole post Dan.
"Yeah Dan, Norway has liberal politics. Thats good. I wish Cuba could have liberal politics too."
I read the whole post and recognized that first part for how it was intended, as a throw away, cover-my-ass, I-said-it-as-cover-before-I-transition-into-what-I-really -want-to-say, something that allows you to say you criticized Cuban repression without really criticizing Cuban repression.
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I have not once said embargoes don’t matter. I have said in this very thread I want the US to drop the embargo. You’re “dug in to my opinion” so deep you’re hearing what you want to hear and disregarding the rest. (Lyric by Paul Simon.). You are implying that Castro’s communism would be as benign as Norway’s socialism if only the rest of the world, prodded by the USA, would be nice to it. We both know that is bunk. The only possible explanation I can come up with for your argument/attitude is you are fine with communist repression because it is communist.
We won't know until we try.
You certainly aren't contending that the constant attempts by foreign governments to overthrow the regime by any means necessary hasn't contributed to the repression?
How many posts/replies have we exchanged in this thread? I’m still waiting for you to offer a legitimate criticism of Cuban communism. I do not regard “I wish they’d be nicer” as legitimate criticism. It astonishes me that you can’t bring yourself to level intense criticism against a government that claims to be administering your preferred political system with such incompetence snd cruelty.
You certainly aren't contending that the constant attempts by foreign governments to overthrow the regime by any means necessary hasn't contributed to the repression?
Deflection and whataboutism seem to be your go-to fallback position in this thread.
Never said or implied that. But that doesn't change the fact that the repression began on the day the revolution succeeded as Castro’s minions rounded up and shot anyone considered an enemy or opponent of the revolution.
Its not a straw man. You are personally invested in me groveling and signing on the CIA's exact narrative. Why? Why is it so important to you?
Okay, you’ve succeeded (on purpose, I suppose) in making this a conversation no longer worth happening. You’re a Stalinist, that you’ve made clear.
Dan why won't you grovel and sign on to all the BLM defund the police narratives. I thought you were a real libertarian.
It is a straw man and you know it. This conversation has nothing to do with a CIA narrative. And it says a great deal about your psychological makeup that you would consider it groveling to criticize a government that has so ruthlessly perverted the political system you champion. You have been given every opportunity to compare Cuba to Norway, the socialist country you have held as the ultimate socialist paradise, and you can’t do it. You see it somehow as “losing” the argument. It’s amazingly petty. But now we have seen the “real” Pilt.
No, Pilt, I’m not going to bite on your attempt to deflect and turn the conversation away from its intended purpose. Start another thread and I’ll join you there.
Dan I am giving you the perfect opportunity for you to prove once an for all that you are the kind of Libertarian I like and respect and not just another Pinochet guy.
I don’t want you to sign off on what I think. You have made it clear what you think. You think Cuban communism is not as bad as American semi-liberal democracy. Ranked 1 through 3 you prefer Norway, Cuba, America. At least I think you still rank Norway over Cuba.
Dan I have said that Cuba should be more liberal like Norway, thats not good enough for you. you want me to grovel.
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