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More deflection. I am done Dan! you are just the Pinochetist I hoped you weren't
No, I want you to criticize. If I was a heartfelt socialist like you have previously claimed to be, and I regarded Norway as the ultimate standard of the socialism to which I aspire, and I watched a government in Cuba claim to be socialist just like me while it imprisoned or killed any dissenter, kept the masses in extreme poverty while the ruling class lived a life of luxury, I would be front and center calling them the frauds I know them to be. I would not seek every avenue I could find to dilute the perversion of a political system I believe to my core is the path toward wealth, peace and harmony. The fact that you don’t do that - literally can’t bring yourself to do that - explains clearly that you have never believed in the promise of socialism/communism, but are actually attracted to the raw power it creates. You just want to be a player on the team.
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God forbid that I come to Pilt's aid. The US government financed and trained Cuban exiles to invade and overthrow Castro. I don’t remember the exact year - 1961 maybe? - in the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. In addition the US made multiple assassination attempts on Castro. All failures of which only served to strengthen his resolve to stay in power by any means necessary, including rounding up anyone suspected of treason, torturing them or making them watch as their families were tortured and then murdered, “disappearing” those who refused to submit, etc. in a sick twisted way the US shares in the destruction by driving an insane Fidel Castro deep into (justified) paranoia. Would the Castro regime have been as brutal without the US interference? Who knows, maybe not. But nothing the US did to Castro justified what Castro did to his own people. Unfortunately left wing apologists like Pilt are so blinded by loyalty to the team over the philosophy they defend any cruelty. The fact the cruelty is anathema to what the philosophy they say they advocate is totally lost on them. Just win, baby!
Dan, that doesn't sound very inclusive of "by any means necessary."
I don’t know if you’re referring to Pilt’s comment “by any means necessary” or mine about Castro’s “by any means necessary.”
Assuming you’re talking about US efforts to overthrow Castro I think the US tried multiple times in multiple ways to murder the man. (Not that I would have cried if they succeeded.). I imagine he viewed it as “by any means necessary.” And financing and training a separate military force and transporting them to the invasion site is a pretty special means.
But the point I was trying to make is the Cuban people had nothing to do with the efforts (most of them, anyway) and yet Castro came down on them like an insane jilted lover. And still the Left in America (Pilt included presumably) swooned at the mention of his name. What else can anyone conclude but the American Left would willingly put up with the same thing happening here, all they want is a team win?
Whoa, sorry Ponca Dan. I was being tongue in cheek. If the US wanted to actually take over Cuba, it would be clear sailing.
Today, probably. 1959 was a different era. Castro’s forces were very experienced guerrilla fighters by the time they overthrew Bautista (who was a vicious dictator in his own right). Less than a decade later the US found itself at a standstill with other guerrilla forces in Vietnam. Add to that the fact that many Americans hailed Castro and Guevara as heroes. The US government was in a bind. It wanted Castro out of there but did not want to face a backlash from its own people. It saw limited options, so covert operations were the tactic of the day. A straight forward military confrontation would very likely have gone as badly as Vietnam did,
Let me add I didn’t think you were mad or arguing about anything. I just wasn’t sure which person you were addressing. My reply was totally without rancor.
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You covered only a short period of time, Dan. Reread my post.
I’m old and rapidly approaching a Joe Biden-like attention span. I’m pretty worn out on this subject. I assume we’re in at least 99% agreement on the subject, so I’m going to pack it in for the night. I’ll be happy to take it up with you again tomorrow if there’s more you want to talk about.
Nah, mine was just light hearted banter to keep poking fun of the board's little marching marxist twit while you awaited its return. I'm not going to let the
Who do you think wins when the embargo is lifted? The people of Cuba will take no benefit from lifting sanctions. Your ignorance is beyond comprehension.
You are an idiot. You think the people of Cuba will benefit from lifting embargoes and sanctions? You have zero life experiences in such tyrant regimes but you feel the need to opine like a ****ing school book intellect.
I am fully convinced that John F. Kennedy took a bullet to the head for abandoning Brigade 2506 on the beaches of Cuba. 100 dead and 1200 surrendered and died in prisons later. This included some very valuable CIA agents and operatives. Weak USA leadership and piss poor resolve strengthened Castro. Something in the shadows of history keeps that regime in power. The US military could walk through that island in days. Russia stopped defending Castro with military might in 1988.
Any country that becomes a jail for its people should not exist at least their political system shouldn't.Why are our leftist friends so muted in their criticism of Cuba’s communist tyranny? You would think they would recognize the damage the reality of Cuban socialism does to their politics of choice, and would be the most vocal critics around, insisting the Cuban dictators put down their weapons and begin instituting “real” socialism. Instead we get off-handed and indifferent mousy responses. I guess they simply cannot bring themselves to admit the “conservatives” might be right about anything.
Maybe it would help them if they actually read something of a critical nature from a fellow leftist, one of the few that adheres to the principles he espouses. It’s too bad those people are such a minority within the leftist movement, voices crying out in the wilderness.
¡Cuba Libre!
Everyone, including the left, should support Cuba's protesters against the Communist regime.www.persuasion.community
Communism is against human nature
Surely Joementia will correct the American dim failures since the 60s and commit to helping liberate the exiles and embattled refugees that are clamoring for “fweedumb” that Kam harps on since her childhood
I agree with you the embargo should be lifted - and never should have been put in place to begin with - he does have a good point. How do you think lifting the embargo will benefit the communist peasantry?
Yes, I’m the guy on this board that most vocally advocates for free trade. And I’m in favor of lifting the embargo. But as usual you didn’t answer the question. How does trading with a government that owns up to 75% of the means of production, and has proven itself to be so corrupt and so incompetent that it can't even find a way to feed the people under its yoke - so much so that it had to withdraw its refusal to accept food (trade) from America (which must have been humiliating) when it could no longer pretend they were not starving, lead to improved lives for those self-same starving peasants?
Your argument for lifting the embargo is based solely that it would benefit the communist peasantry. I’m asking you to explain how the fresh trade would bypass the dictatorial communist elite and make its way to the serfs.
The stage is yours.
Oh your contention is that Cuba is a kleptocracy? I would simply ask for any evidence of that.
I am not going to waste time convincing a free trade trickle down guy that lifting an embargo will increase the well being of the people because it is at the heart of your entire philosophy.
You know, when you run away from answering questions directed at pronouncements you make without reservation (It will help the communist peasants) it makes one wonder if you are able to answer.
<insert argument for free trade here> <insert argument for trickle down economics here>
I’m really surprised you can’t answer. But here, let me help you out. I started another thread earlier, and the link, if you’ll read it, will show you the answer. You may not like the answer, but it’s really the only way for Cuba to end its nightmare.
Why Cuba is having an economic crisis
Three crises and a whole lot of bad policy decisions have driven hungry Cubans into the streets.
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I did answer DanI’m really surprised you can’t answer. But here, let me help you out. I started another thread earlier, and the link, if you’ll read it, will show you the answer. You may not like the answer, but it’s really the only way for Cuba to end its nightmare.
Why Cuba is having an economic crisis
Three crises and a whole lot of bad policy decisions have driven hungry Cubans into the streets.
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