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2019 from Flo
1SR.Greg KerkvlietSimleyMN285Ohio State1
2SR.Cohlton SchultzPonderosaCO285Arizona St.2
3SR.Andrew AlirezGreeleyCO149N. Colorado3
4SR.Carson KharchlaOl. LibertyOH165Ohio State4
5SR.Jordan DecaturCVCAOH133Ohio State5
6SR.JoJo AragonaPope JohnNJ149Rutgers6
7SR.Julian ChleboveNorthamptonPA133Arizona State10
8SR.Jaden AbasRancho BernardoCA149Stanford8
9SR.Carter StarocciErie PrepPA174Penn St.15
10SR.Julian RamirezBlairFL174Cornell12
11SR.Ryan AndersonBeth. CatholicPA141Iowa State27
12SR.Matt OlguinBuchananCA165Fresno St.44
13SR.Connor BradyOl. LibertyOH165Virginia Tech9
14SR.Parker KeckeisenNicoletWI174Northern Iowa14
15SR.Jacob CardenasBergen CatholicNJ197Cornell7
16SR.Ridge LovettPost FallsID141Nebraska19
17SR.Cam AmineDetroit CCMI157Michigan16
18SR.Lucas ByrdCin. La SalleOH125Illinois21
19SR.Michael ColaioccoBlairNJ133Penn26
20SR.Aden ReevesAlbiaIA125Iowa State29
21SR.Chris FocaBergen CatholicNJ184Cornell32
22SR.Chris DonathanMasonOH157TiffinHM
23SR.Peter ChristensenMontiniIL197Wisconsin53
24SR.Reece WitcraftBroken ArrowOK133OK StateHM
25SR.Brevin BalmecedaSouth DadeFL157Oklahoma St.
Munoz at 35
Hendrickson 40
Orine 49
Kyle Parco 71
 
2018 Flo top 25
1SR.Gable StevesonApple ValleyMN285Minnesota1
2SR.Aaron BrooksNorth HagerstownMD184Penn State1
3SR.Mason ParrisLawrenceburgIN285Michigan1
4SR.Sammy SassoNazarethPA149Ohio State1
5SR.David CarrMassillon PerryOH157/165Iowa State1
6SR.Travis Wittlake, Jr.MarshfieldOR174Oklahoma State2
7SR.Joey SilvaLake Highland PrepFL141Michigan1
8SR.Jacori TeemerLong BeachNY157/165Arizona State1
9SR.Brock HardyBrigham CityUT149Nebraska2
10SR.Gavin HoffmanMontoursvillePA184/197Ohio State1
11SR.Michael BeardMalvern PrepPA197Penn State2
12SR.Roman Bravo-YoungSunnysideAZ133/141Penn State1
13SR.Brayton LeeBrownsburgIN157Minnesota2
14SR.Anthony CassioppiHonoegahIL285Iowa3
15SR.Quinn KinnerKingswayNJ141Ohio State2
16SR.Gavin TeasdaleJefferson-MorganPA125/133Penn State3
17SR.Patrick GloryDelbartonNJ133Princeton4
18SR.Trent HidlayMifflin CountyPA174/184NC State2
19SR.Shane GriffithBergen CatholicNJ165/174Stanford1
20SR.Joe LeeMater DeiIN165Penn State2
21SR.Real WoodsMontiniIL141Stanford2
22SR.Seth NevillsClovisCA285Penn State3
23SR.Jakob CamachoDanburyCT125/133NC State11
24SR.Jaden MattoxCentral CrossingOH157/165Ohio State5
25SR.Justin RuffinUnion GroveGA157SIUE
 
2017
1SR.DatonFixDaton Fix16312Sand SpringsOK133Oklahoma St
2SR.SpencerLeeSpencer Lee16333Franklin RegionalPA125Iowa
3SR.YianniDiakomihalisYianni Diakomihalis16335HiltonNY141Cornell
4SR.VitaliArujauVitali Arujau17775SyossetNY133Cornell
5SR.MikeyLabriolaMikey Labriola20758Bethlehem CatholicPA174Nebraska
6SR.BradyBergeBrady Berge23172Kasson-MantorvilleMN149Penn State
7SR.JacobWarnerJacob Warner19161WashingtonIL197Iowa
8SR.LouieDeprezLouie Deprez18957HiltonNY184Binghamton
9SR.NickLeeNick Lee16334Mater DeiIN141Penn State
10SR.ChaseSingletaryChase Singletary16355BlairNJ285Ohio St
11SR.AustinGomezAustin Gomez16470Glenbard NorthIL133Iowa St
12SR.AustinO’ConnorAustin O’Connor18096St. RitaIL149UNC
13SR.CameronCoyCameron Coy17770Penn TraffordPA157Virginia
14SR.QuentinHovisQuentin Hovis19261PowayCA157Navy
15SR.KadenGfellerKaden Gfeller16907Heritage HallOK149Oklahoma St
16SR.KalebRomeroKaleb Romero16469MechanicsburgOH174Ohio St
17SR.AustinDesantoAustin Desanto18098ExeterPA125/133Drexel
18SR.JakeWoodleyJake Woodley22311North AlleghenyPA197Oklahoma
19SR.MekhiLewisMekhi Lewis20831Bound BrookNJ149/157Virginia Tech
20SR.JarodVerkleerenJarod Verkleeren19426Hempfield AreaPA149Penn State
21SR.TrentHillgerTrent Hillger20795Lake FentonMI285Wisconsin
22SR.TannerLitterellTanner Litterell20153TuttleOK141/149Oklahoma
23SR.ZackDonathanZack Donathan20167MasonOH133Lincoln
24SR.JohnBorstJohn Borst22062SherandoVA184/197Virginia Tech
25SR.JakeAllarJake Allar19264STMAMN165Minnesota
 
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That kind of rounds out the applicable classes imo. I think these years give us the best snap shot of current staffs and recent development from program to program.
 
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AtownPoke said:
some bad character evaluation and a lack of development to fix some of those problems.

‘20 would look a lot different if AJ wasn’t an idiot

‘21 & ‘22 we basically got skunked

‘23 has the chance to be what @tom_v31 is talking about if BT and Cael don’t get it going.
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Yeah, 20 was a character miss on that one for sure. But development and NCAA AA's panned out.

21-22 still has JWill that can possibly make some jumps.

23 has to be "undetermined" at this point?

What I noticed is that PSU is the only 100% turnout rate and that lots of those names are nowhere to be seen, and it's not only OSU or even mainly OSU. Also, the lists excite me as I don't see the new Staff missing on kids like everybody not named Penn State has been doing.
 
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chasepollard said:
Yeah, 20 was a character miss on that one for sure. But development and NCAA AA's panned out.

21-22 still has JWill that can possibly make some jumps.

23 has to be "undetermined" at this point?

What I noticed is that PSU is the only 100% turnout rate and that lots of those names are nowhere to be seen, and it's not only OSU or even mainly OSU. Also, the lists excite me as I don't see the new Staff missing on kids like everybody not named Penn State has been doing.
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There is another staff that stuck out to me. Look at how many competitive wrestlers Schwab turned out at UNI. They’re all down the list (I guess I probably noticed it as I was looking at the whole list and not just the 10 to 25 I posted here) and the hit rate was fairly high
 
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chasepollard said:
I don’t see what your referring to…from the lists.

I agree in general about our development, but not that we highlight the negative part of the list.
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I’m not going to beat this dead horse. I was referring to some of the earlier rankings and how they were finishing. There were a couple of bright years but I couldn’t believe how a few years back, how many of the top recruits I couldn’t even identify the names. PSU has done the best with development of top recruits, especially in recent years.
 
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Now this is all just based on perception but before our recruiting jumped levels (pre-Fix), I thought our development was really good. I thought guys were getting in the program and getting better. The initial talent just wasn't elite. Then we really picked up in recruiting and I think our development dropped off.
 
AtownPoke said:
2019 from Flo
1SR.Greg KerkvlietSimleyMN285Ohio State1
2SR.Cohlton SchultzPonderosaCO285Arizona St.2
3SR.Andrew AlirezGreeleyCO149N. Colorado3
4SR.Carson KharchlaOl. LibertyOH165Ohio State4
5SR.Jordan DecaturCVCAOH133Ohio State5
6SR.JoJo AragonaPope JohnNJ149Rutgers6
7SR.Julian ChleboveNorthamptonPA133Arizona State10
8SR.Jaden AbasRancho BernardoCA149Stanford8
9SR.Carter StarocciErie PrepPA174Penn St.15
10SR.Julian RamirezBlairFL174Cornell12
11SR.Ryan AndersonBeth. CatholicPA141Iowa State27
12SR.Matt OlguinBuchananCA165Fresno St.44
13SR.Connor BradyOl. LibertyOH165Virginia Tech9
14SR.Parker KeckeisenNicoletWI174Northern Iowa14
15SR.Jacob CardenasBergen CatholicNJ197Cornell7
16SR.Ridge LovettPost FallsID141Nebraska19
17SR.Cam AmineDetroit CCMI157Michigan16
18SR.Lucas ByrdCin. La SalleOH125Illinois21
19SR.Michael ColaioccoBlairNJ133Penn26
20SR.Aden ReevesAlbiaIA125Iowa State29
21SR.Chris FocaBergen CatholicNJ184Cornell32
22SR.Chris DonathanMasonOH157TiffinHM
23SR.Peter ChristensenMontiniIL197Wisconsin53
24SR.Reece WitcraftBroken ArrowOK133OK StateHM
25SR.Brevin BalmecedaSouth DadeFL157Oklahoma St.
Munoz at 35
Hendrickson 40
Orine 49
Kyle Parco 71
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This has nothing to do with the subject, but how did you copy and paste this info or did you type it out? I have been trying to copy and paste forever and nothing works, that I can find.
 
tom_v31 said:
I’m not going to beat this dead horse. I was referring to some of the earlier rankings and how they were finishing. There were a couple of bright years but I couldn’t believe how a few years back, how many of the top recruits I couldn’t even identify the names. PSU has done the best with development of top recruits, especially in recent years.
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I'd imagine you were primarily talking about the early 20 teens. The 2015 class specifically. We had the #2 class and our 5-Year Cycle was: #4, #8, #4, #5


2015 class p4p overall rankings
#7-Joe Smith, OK (157)
#10-Kaid Brock, OK (133)
#24-Nick Piccininni, NY (125)
#28-Boo Lewallen, OK (141/149)
#71-Andrew Marsden, OK (197)
#75-Lincoln Olson, MI (133/141)
Others: Tristan Moran, OK (141/149)


***2014 rankings are by weight not p4p*** but it was loaded too
#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #8, #4, #5, #13

Recruits:
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)
#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)
#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)
#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)
#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)
#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)
#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)
others Dusty Hone, UT (133); Tanner Allen, OK (HWT)
 
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Nice info.
AtownPoke said:
I'd imagine you were primarily talking about the early 20 teens. The 2015 class specifically. We had the #2 class and our 5-Year Cycle was: #4, #8, #4, #5


2015 class p4p overall rankings
#7-Joe Smith, OK (157)
#10-Kaid Brock, OK (133)
#24-Nick Piccininni, NY (125)
#28-Boo Lewallen, OK (141/149)
#71-Andrew Marsden, OK (197)
#75-Lincoln Olson, MI (133/141)
Others: Tristan Moran, OK (141/149)


***2014 rankings are by weight not p4p*** but it was loaded too
#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #8, #4, #5, #13

Recruits:
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)
#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)
#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)
#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)
#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)
#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)
#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)
others Dusty Hone, UT (133); Tanner Allen, OK (HWT)
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The further back in time you go, the less believable team recruiting rankings get. There was a time around 8-10 years ago and older where team rankings heavily favored quantity over quality. I believe the rankings are better now and are more in line with reality of NCAA placement. It also allows for a better insight into coaching kids up. Another little discussed issue with recruiting is selecting the right guys for your culture and coaching style. Cael seems to go after the athletic, yearn-to-get-better mentality, and wrestling being a lifestyle choice type of recruit. They fit the culture and they are the type he wants to coach up.
 
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Air_Thurman said:
Now this is all just based on perception but before our recruiting jumped levels (pre-Fix), I thought our development was really good. I thought guys were getting in the program and getting better. The initial talent just wasn't elite. Then we really picked up in recruiting and I think our development dropped off.
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I would agree. In 2018, Whittlake was our only recruit in the top 25 and it was the only “miss” in the top 9.
2017 was a fire year for top 10 recruits.
My comment may have been based mostly on perception, but when Flo was going over some of the earlier years, there appeared to be a ton of misses. I apologize, I will do more research and get back to everyone on this subject.
 
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tom_v31 said:
I’m not going to beat this dead horse. I was referring to some of the earlier rankings and how they were finishing. There were a couple of bright years but I couldn’t believe how a few years back, how many of the top recruits I couldn’t even identify the names. PSU has done the best with development of top recruits, especially in recent years.
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I don't think we have any horses to beat? Our development has not been average, which is what is the major culprit to our downtrend.

I was just disagreeing that we weren't glaring on the list. Everyone not PSU isn't doing great. I'd say tOSU has done a worse job than our bad job on turning out the highly ranked kids.


Yes, PSU doesn't seem to miss and turns guys into monsters that squarely outperform guys ranked to be better to much better. I look forward to seeing some of that. As @AtownPoke pointed out, and I hasn't noticed, is Shwab is doing an outstanding job.
 
Maybe I'm wrong here but if you separated recruits by 1-15 and 16-30, there seems to be less difference in success among the teams. 1-15 guys have more upside and more spread among them, but 16-30 has less upside but more consistency. If that makes sense. Maybe less athleticism is my guess.

I don't see any trend in the 16-30 range where one team is standing out among the rest. Tends to support recruiting the right elite guys.
 
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DPJ said:
Post in thread '2024-2025 Wrestling Lineup' https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/2024-2025-wrestling-lineup.285897/post-9448266

Post in thread '2024-2025 Wrestling Lineup' https://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/threads/2024-2025-wrestling-lineup.285897/post-9448784

I was browsing the cyclone board earlier and seen these posts regarding Perry
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From the six posts I've read ISU and IU have basically the same kind of followers, glad I'm not an Iowa fan. Actually I always kinda have rooted for UNI over the rest of Iowa. Scwab seems like an all around good guy.
 
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AtownPoke said:
I'd imagine you were primarily talking about the early 20 teens. The 2015 class specifically. We had the #2 class and our 5-Year Cycle was: #4, #8, #4, #5


2015 class p4p overall rankings
#7-Joe Smith, OK (157)
#10-Kaid Brock, OK (133)
#24-Nick Piccininni, NY (125)
#28-Boo Lewallen, OK (141/149)
#71-Andrew Marsden, OK (197)
#75-Lincoln Olson, MI (133/141)
Others: Tristan Moran, OK (141/149)


***2014 rankings are by weight not p4p*** but it was loaded too
#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #8, #4, #5, #13

Recruits:
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)
#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)
#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)
#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)
#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)
#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)
#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)
others Dusty Hone, UT (133); Tanner Allen, OK (HWT)
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Those stats hurt
 
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Air_Thurman said:
Now this is all just based on perception but before our recruiting jumped levels (pre-Fix), I thought our development was really good. I thought guys were getting in the program and getting better. The initial talent just wasn't elite. Then we really picked up in recruiting and I think our development dropped off.
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Our recruiting pre Fix was very very good. Really it’s been the same old song and dance since about 2010
 
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You can blame it on whatever you want but fact of the matter is besides Fix and Plott none of our top star recruits have done or did nothing to live up to their ranking. And I'm going back to almost a decade now. And the one guy who did win and live up to the hype lost his damn mind and isn't on a roster.

I have hope for Spratley, Hughes and Jamison. Little faith in Williams but in this group I think Hughes was the only top 10 in his class.

Old school coaching, which didn't translate to developing the new generation, bad culture and the lack of adaptability to the sport were the big problems.
 
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AtownPoke said:
2017
1SR.DatonFixDaton Fix16312Sand SpringsOK133Oklahoma St
2SR.SpencerLeeSpencer Lee16333Franklin RegionalPA125Iowa
3SR.YianniDiakomihalisYianni Diakomihalis16335HiltonNY141Cornell
4SR.VitaliArujauVitali Arujau17775SyossetNY133Cornell
5SR.MikeyLabriolaMikey Labriola20758Bethlehem CatholicPA174Nebraska
6SR.BradyBergeBrady Berge23172Kasson-MantorvilleMN149Penn State
7SR.JacobWarnerJacob Warner19161WashingtonIL197Iowa
8SR.LouieDeprezLouie Deprez18957HiltonNY184Binghamton
9SR.NickLeeNick Lee16334Mater DeiIN141Penn State
10SR.ChaseSingletaryChase Singletary16355BlairNJ285Ohio St
11SR.AustinGomezAustin Gomez16470Glenbard NorthIL133Iowa St
12SR.AustinO’ConnorAustin O’Connor18096St. RitaIL149UNC
13SR.CameronCoyCameron Coy17770Penn TraffordPA157Virginia
14SR.QuentinHovisQuentin Hovis19261PowayCA157Navy
15SR.KadenGfellerKaden Gfeller16907Heritage HallOK149Oklahoma St
16SR.KalebRomeroKaleb Romero16469MechanicsburgOH174Ohio St
17SR.AustinDesantoAustin Desanto18098ExeterPA125/133Drexel
18SR.JakeWoodleyJake Woodley22311North AlleghenyPA197Oklahoma
19SR.MekhiLewisMekhi Lewis20831Bound BrookNJ149/157Virginia Tech
20SR.JarodVerkleerenJarod Verkleeren19426Hempfield AreaPA149Penn State
21SR.TrentHillgerTrent Hillger20795Lake FentonMI285Wisconsin
22SR.TannerLitterellTanner Litterell20153TuttleOK141/149Oklahoma
23SR.ZackDonathanZack Donathan20167MasonOH133Lincoln
24SR.JohnBorstJohn Borst22062SherandoVA184/197Virginia Tech
25SR.JakeAllarJake Allar19264STMAMN165Minnesota
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This class was absolutely stacked
 
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AtownPoke said:
I'd imagine you were primarily talking about the early 20 teens. The 2015 class specifically. We had the #2 class and our 5-Year Cycle was: #4, #8, #4, #5


2015 class p4p overall rankings
#7-Joe Smith, OK (157)
#10-Kaid Brock, OK (133)
#24-Nick Piccininni, NY (125)
#28-Boo Lewallen, OK (141/149)
#71-Andrew Marsden, OK (197)
#75-Lincoln Olson, MI (133/141)
Others: Tristan Moran, OK (141/149)


***2014 rankings are by weight not p4p*** but it was loaded too
#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #8, #4, #5, #13

Recruits:
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)
#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)
#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)
#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)
#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)
#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)
#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)
others Dusty Hone, UT (133); Tanner Allen, OK (HWT)
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Also completely forgot that Chance Marsteller was a Cowboy for a brief time.
 
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I was looking back through Flo rankings and think I saw Spratley ranked like 6th or something for his year’s big board. Hadn’t realized that.
 
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Okie_Pat said:
You can blame it on whatever you want but fact of the matter is besides Fix and Plott none of our top star recruits have done or did nothing to live up to their ranking. And I'm going back to almost a decade now. And the one guy who did win and live up to the hype lost his damn mind and isn't on a roster.

I have hope for Spratley, Hughes and Jamison. Little faith in Williams but in this group I think Hughes was the only top 10 in his class.

Old school coaching, which didn't translate to developing the new generation, bad culture and the lack of adaptability to the sport were the big problems.
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100%
 
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ionel said:
No doubt but as a team they just didn't peaked at the right time.
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Every year it was like reinventing the wheel. They could not figure out how to peak the team properly. All season, we would crush it in matches but come March, it seemed we dropped the “ball” most years. They could teach wrestlers great technique but they could not peak them correctly.
 
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One thing is for sure… they are working their tails off on the trail
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Very good and well researched posts about past recruiting and how our recruits for the most part failed to produce but that is past history under an old regime. Harley will probably throw up seeing my renewed optimism under the new staff. I like the recruits we have gotten for 2025 despite getting a late start and I am anxious to see how they do under a new coach and his staff. Complaining about the old staff and their failures and successes is to me like comparing apples to
oranges and has absolutely no bearing on our future success.
LETS GO POKES!!!
 
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oberebo said:
Very good and well researched posts about past recruiting and how our recruits for the most part failed to produce but that is past history under an old regime. Harley will probably throw up seeing my renewed optimism under the new staff. I like the recruits we have gotten for 2025 despite getting a late start and I am anxious to see how they do under a new coach and his staff. Complaining about the old staff and their failures and successes is to me like comparing apples to
oranges and has absolutely no bearing on our future success.
LETS GO POKES!!!
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Thanks and great post
 
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oberebo said:
Very good and well researched posts about past recruiting and how our recruits for the most part failed to produce but that is past history under an old regime. Harley will probably throw up seeing my renewed optimism under the new staff. I like the recruits we have gotten for 2025 despite getting a late start and I am anxious to see how they do under a new coach and his staff. Complaining about the old staff and their failures and successes is to me like comparing apples to
oranges and has absolutely no bearing on our future success.
LETS GO POKES!!!
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I like to see the new you
 
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oberebo said:
Very good and well researched posts about past recruiting and how our recruits for the most part failed to produce but that is past history under an old regime. Harley will probably throw up seeing my renewed optimism under the new staff. I like the recruits we have gotten for 2025 despite getting a late start and I am anxious to see how they do under a new coach and his staff. Complaining about the old staff and their failures and successes is to me like comparing apples to
oranges and has absolutely no bearing on our future success.
LETS GO POKES!!!
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Good post Obe, good to see you back on here.
 
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From Flo

Oklahoma State's Class of 2025 Commits:​

  • #2/#3 Ladarion Lockett
  • #6/#17 Kody Routledge
  • #2/#19 Landon Robideau
  • #5/#28 Ronnie Ramirez
  • NR/#58 Beau Hickman
  • Kaden Purler
  • Devon Harrison
  • Ishmael Guerrero
  • Ethan Teague
  • Kruz Goff
* Weight class rank/class of 2025 rank
 
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