Guy appreciate your sincere post- ie you're not just one of these leftist Libturds spouting talking points. The 99.96 percent is from......the CDC. That a very political liberal org- how can you say that's flawed- if anything the number is higher. That's just you NOT going there (to the site) and verifying or not verifying.
CDC has said 95 percent of deaths stated as covid are NOT caused but COVID. So that puts deaths at 20000 or a mild flu season .
Stimulus bill said hospitals get more money to classify deaths as covid-their words NOT mine.
As I respect you- you playing both sides of this helps no one. I can try and be everyone's friend but that helps no one. Argue with CDC but that is their numbers- NOT mine. And I think the CDC is liberal and Politcal big time.
Anyone who can't see this is about controlling us hasn't been paying attention. Covid is real but IMO not near what the flu is and we don't kill the country over the flu- the Leftist deep state is kicking the holy $hit out of us and we are on our knees accepting it.
Firstly, I'm the exact opposite of the modern liberal. I'm a conservative Libertarian. Essentially, I'm in favor of much less government intervention in people's lives. I do not believe that the government serves people well and in general shouldn't interfere with decisions made between adults. I think that every single person in this country should have to pay some federal taxes, I hate big hand outs both within and outside the country. I hate that we have millions of government employees who's total job is to impose on our freedom in some miniscule way, but in total cause great harm. I think there should be rules/laws and we should follow them to the best of our ability. Essentially there shouldn't be anything to protect me from me. There should be laws to protect people from me and vice versa. Meaning, things like seat belt and helmet laws or even prostitution laws should not exist. But if I'm dumb enough to not wear a seat belt and I'm in a wreck, it is my own responsibility to afford care. I know that my views would result in a lot more deaths due to people simply being stupid and I'm OK with that. I'm also old enough to know that my views would also have a lot of negatives for people and in general, people want to be taken care of instead of being independent, so we have insurance requirements, we have laws that force hospitals to take in people who can't afford it, etc. I know there is no place on Earth that exists with my points of view.
I likely read more from the CDC and WHO sites than you. The CDC does not release age specific survival rates nor do they provide any mortality rate data. So wherever you got that information is incorrect. I'm making an assumption here, but back in September, the CDC sent out a "COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios" document to some hospitals and other public care facilities that ended up getting leaked. This was nothing more than a war games type document and on it were things that have been misinterpreted to mean actual fatality rates. It was more of a "if you see A then the response should be X." It is not any representation of actual data.
Your 95% death statement is also a bastardization of the actual release. I'm assuming you are referring to this from the CDC.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm or this one
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/...9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q Both of which have had what they are actually saying widely distorted. They are not saying as you stated that 95% of deaths associated to Covid are not caused by Covid. They are saying that in 94% or 95% depending on which document, of Covid cases had other underlying health issues. That has never been in contention from anybody. We know that people that have asthma, COPD, over 65, etc are far more likely to either die or at the very least end up in the ICU due to Covid. But that doesn't mean that Covid isn't what kills that person. Its like saying that if I have stage 4 cancer but I die after being shot that I didn't die from the gunshot. It just means that I likely would have died from the cancer at a later time, but the root cause of my death was the gun shot. That is all those are saying.
When you blend both of those two misrepresented documents together, you take the death count down 95% and compare it to the total case count and you get 99.92% which is complete lunacy. I see both extremes in this as being complete loons. Both sides are distorting the information that is released as some way to state that their beliefs of how this should be handled are correct. I do not believe that the CDC is some evil, vile deep state mechanism. It is nothing more than a collective of research and medical professionals trying to provide information and service in a trying time. Sure, they have a lot of things that later prove wrong and they are ran by people with political leanings. So on the whole, I'm not a fan. But that doesn't mean they making things up.
For what seems to be the millionth time, the data collection on this virus has been abhorrent. We know that there are flaws in the data, but if you truly believe that 99.96% figure, that means you think that only a little over 10K people have died from Covid in the US to date. If that is the case, I really don't know that there is much hope in attempting to adjust your view. Now, do I think that 433K have died as of today? Nope. I think that Colorado has done all of us a great service in that they separate death by covid and death with covid numbers. Nationally the death with covid numbers are used which aligns with how the other states calculate. But their death by covid numbers are about 80% of the total figure. Making an assumption that would be close to the same figure is true in the rest of the country, that nearly 350K people have died from Covid. We also know that the WHO finally came around to what I've been saying for months and months and that is sticking a piece of plastic up somebodies nose, replicating it 40X and then testing it would mean that just pulling out two cells from the nose would translate to over a billion covid cells in the test. 2 cells are almost impossible to actually infect a human, it generally takes thousands. Just because a person tests positive with a PCR, does not mean they ever actually get infected. But we've called every positive test a case. We know that isn't true and has never been true in the history of medicine. It requires symptoms and some form of required medical care. I'm no lemming that believes everything, nor am I a Covid disbeliever. Its real, it kills people, it is very contageous. But I also don't think that masks help much, closing down businesses and keeping people locked down has not shown to have any positive impact other than in the sort term.
In other Covid news, the best source of actual information in the last couple months have come out of Israel. The only issue is that their releases are not in a language I can read, so I can only rely on non-direct information from papers in Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/vacci...el-in-first-controlled-result-outside-trials/ This is HUGE. It is the first actual data that shows that after the full round of vaccinations that the number of actual covid cases goes down. Their test group of 163,000 vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine and the same number of unvaccinated people (total of nearly 330,000 people which is the largest field test in Covid history). Only 31 people out of 163K tested positive for Covid.in the 7-13 day window after the second shot Their unvaccinated (though they don't know they didn't get the vaccine) group were 11 times that number. That means that early into testing it is at 92% effective which is within the margin of error of PFizer's numbers. That's amazingly good to know. Of those 31, they had none that had more than very light symptoms which also helps the thinking that it even if a person does get infected that they are far less likely to end up in the hospital. Amazingly good numbers. Still a bit early to call it a wrap, but it is very promising. I'm not an anti-vaccer and have been open about my hesitancy to get the shots.