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so the worthless eff mccarthy is finally on camera calling cank and her campaign framing maga for treason a coup.

it was all campaign fun and games until trump became president

at that point tge mueller investigation became an orchestrated coup against the sitting president of the united states.

and all the subsequent peach mints and china flu and election fraud are acts of war
 
I fully agree with this and that is why we should take such interference seriously and seek to combat it instead of denying it happens like the Trump followers do.

This is about protecting our elections, but for some reason, Trump followers believe they have to protect Trump by denying it happened. It is insanity.
Your problem here is that Democrats are not trying to protect election processes. They are trying to make it easier for outside parties to attempt to manipulate the election. Are you for voter id laws? How about you can only vote at the polls on a single day? These are protections against fraud, yet the Dems want the opposite.

Trump followers at this point understand that the election is over. They lost, whether that be by hook or by crook, or fairly only plays into motivation. Dems who keep crying about what Trump says also plays into Trump supporters hands as it validates thier fears. Dems won, what your party should have done is govern, but instead they somehow are trying to single handedly destroy American capitalism and democracy along with it. Not a good sign that everything about the last election was on the up and up. On the good side it could just be incompetence but I'm not sure that makes Dems any more appealing.
 
How many times do we have to point out that your phantasies about Trump and Russia have been debunked?
Corndog, you haven't debunked any of the facts I've posted about Russia's interference in our 2016 election to benefit Trump. Nothing at all.

You just flail around as usual, making useless posts.
 
Your problem here is that Democrats are not trying to protect election processes.
This is not true. Democrats have proposed and passed numerous pieces of legislation to do just this. As usual, Republicans are standing in the way.

Are you for voter id laws? How about you can only vote at the polls on a single day?
I support providing all Americans the opportunity to vote and making it as easy and secure as possible. I don't want to establish limits on who can vote and disenfranchise millions of Americans from voting. Therefore, I support early voting and absentee voting. I want as many people as possible to vote, not the other way around.

As for voter ID laws, what type are you referencing? Explain a type of voter ID law you would support and I'll let you know if I could support it.

Dems won, what your party should have done is govern, but instead they somehow are trying to single handedly destroy American capitalism and democracy along with it.
It wasn't Democrats who attacked our democracy on January 6 and it wasn't a Democratic candidate for President who refused to accept that he lost, but inatead created a big lie about how the election was stolen from him.

And parts of American capitalism need to be reformed or destroyed. Billionaire autocrats shouldn't hold all the power in our country.
 
Just post them here I don’t click on random links from random dipshits
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Afraid you might learn something that challenges right-wing propaganda huh?

I provided you the article. Read it and I will be happy to discuss everything that is contained in the article.
 
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Bless your heart.
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This is not true. Democrats have proposed and passed numerous pieces of legislation to do just this. As usual, Republicans are standing in the way.


I support providing all Americans the opportunity to vote and making it as easy and secure as possible. I don't want to establish limits on who can vote and disenfranchise millions of Americans from voting. Therefore, I support early voting and absentee voting. I want as many people as possible to vote, not the other way around.

As for voter ID laws, what type are you referencing? Explain a type of voter ID law you would support and I'll let you know if I could support it.


It wasn't Democrats who attacked our democracy on January 6 and it wasn't a Democratic candidate for President who refused to accept that he lost, but inatead created a big lie about how the election was stolen from him.

And parts of American capitalism need to be reformed or destroyed. Billionaire autocrats shouldn't hold all the power in our country.
How is legislation that automatically registers people to vote who are able to obtain a driver's license is protecting the vote? How about registering 16-year olds to vote? How about letting alternate agencies have the ability to finish registration forms? Or perhaps the part that takes away States ability to make persons registered ineligible? I'm just getting started and this is just the first section of the voter rights act. An act that is both unconstitutional and partisan. Yea I hope this doesn't see the light of day. You can't even do enough work to fix it.

I applaud that you want more people to have access to vote, but who is being denied access to vote? Register and show up at the polls on election day and vote. If you can't do that then absentee ballots are available. What the democrats want is for some people to have more access to vote than the normal citizen, and how is that fair to the normal voter? I would rather cater to 99% of the population than 1%.

Voter ID laws can be as simple as you must present a form of valid picture ID to the election station to cast your vote, and sign off that you have voted. I'm sure you are going to say what about those who can't get a valid picture id, but has anyone ever found one of these people? Seriously, who can't get a valid picture id? If you want one we are bending over backwards to get them to you. Why do I need to accommodate that? Again, I could go on but we are one a Russian thread not a voter id thread.

You comment on the attack on the capital is getting to the point of ridiculousness. No one here besides democrats believes that. In other words, a strictly partisan attack. Again, I applaud your MSNBC talking points from Maddow, you have those down very well. I could go on, but I want to get to my next point.

"And parts of American capitalism need to be reformed or destroyed." You just admitted what I said about Democrats in congress is correct. Thanks for affirming what I said was true.
 
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Afraid you might learn something that challenges right-wing propaganda huh?

I provided you the article. Read it and I will be happy to discuss everything that is contained in the article.
It’s called phishing and I keep very sensitive information on my computer so no I am not going to click one of your dumbass links and jeopardize my clients.
 

and Lithuania just ordered another 200+ javelin missiles
I read your link with great interest. And equally great difficulty. It’s never easy to read something with which you fundamentally disagree. I’m sure that personally Scott Cooper is a fine fellow. But it cannot be ignored that he is a paid mouthpiece for an organization that is inbred with the military/industrial complex, and has been associated with similar “empire advocate” organizations since the day he left the military. To put it bluntly he is an apparatchik for the never-ending-regime-change-war segment of our government, the segment that profits to the tune of billions of dollars a year by hyping and overhyping boogie-men threats wherever and anywhere they look. In simple terms he is a propagandist for arguably the most evil part of our government. He should be listened to with a heavy dose of skepticism. He and his friends may very well fool around and get us all killed.
 
I read your link with great interest. And equally great difficulty. It’s never easy to read something with which you fundamentally disagree. I’m sure that personally Scott Cooper is a fine fellow. But it cannot be ignored that he is a paid mouthpiece for an organization that is inbred with the military/industrial complex, and has been associated with similar “empire advocate” organizations since the day he left the military. To put it bluntly he is an apparatchik for the never-ending-regime-change-war segment of our government, the segment that profits to the tune of billions of dollars a year by hyping and overhyping boogie-men threats wherever and anywhere they look. In simple terms he is a propagandist for arguably the most evil part of our government. He should be listened to with a heavy dose of skepticism. He and his friends may very well fool around and get us all killed.
It is called peace through strength. I do not see anything wrong with bolstering forces to contain Russia's ambitions. Lithuania is buying javelins and EU should buy more F35s. Ukraine should have been brought into NATO years ago.

India and the USoA should have allied years ago against China. This is a position I have had since the mid 90s long before Chinas military rise.
 
It is called peace through strength. I do not see anything wrong with bolstering forces to contain Russia's ambitions. Lithuania is buying javelins and EU should buy more F35s. Ukraine should have been brought into NATO years ago.

India and the USoA should have allied years ago against China. This is a position I have had since the mid 90s long before Chinas military rise.
Please objectively compare Russia's and China’s ambitions as compared to those of our own government. The US has roughly 750 military bases in 80 foreign countries (that we have been told about), virtually surrounding both countries. Russia has 17, only two of which are outside the territory of the old USSR, and China has 1 on the Horn of Africa. US military expenditures exceed that of the next 11 countries combined. If Cooper is correct that Russia has developed military technological capabilities that are superior to ours, what the heck have we spent all that money on? It has been an incredible propaganda victory that our military intelligence apparatus has convinced most Americans that every supposed enemy is the aggressor and we are merely put in a position of trying to defend ourselves.
 
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Please objectively compare Russia's and China’s ambitions as compared to those of our own government. The US has roughly 750 military bases in 80 foreign countries (that we have been told about), virtually surrounding both countries. Russia has 17, only two of which are outside the territory of the old USSR, and China has 1 on the Horn of Africa. US military expenditures exceed that of the next 11 countries combined. If Cooper is correct that Russia has developed military technological capabilities that are superior to ours, what the heck have we spent all that money on? It has been an incredible propaganda victory that our military intelligence apparatus has convinced most Americans that every supposed enemy is the aggressor and we are merely put in a position of trying to defend ourselves.
I am not a neocon but I do believe in Pax Americana. Their hypersonics are hype. Yes they are ahead of us in a deployable glide vehicle for now. That does not matter a hill of beans when 1 boomer can launch 24 missiles carrying 8 independent warheads. 192 targets! 18 active subs capable of hitting 3500 targets. If NATO rolls into Kiev after an invite there is not a d@mn thing he can do about it short of nukes...Its called MAD and that did not change with his new toys.

There are no limited nuke exchanges. Whoever holds the land keeps it short of an invasion of NATO or Russian territory. He stole parts of Georgia and took the Crimea. But he will not take the Ukraine if NATO is on the ground first.

Russian GDP is 1,5T compared to NATO 19T

Russian pop 145M and NATO has 600+M but if EU got involved total pop of such and alliance would be north of 800M

Just like the confederacy he is out manned and out gunned from the start. He has no hope of winning a conventional war. Do you think he risks nuclear war when the USoA can rain down 3500 nukes on his head in between 10-30 min.

But but but glide vehicles! Yeah he was going to launch land based missiles with either hypersonic gliders or regular warheads and we cant stop them either as our SMD is limited.
 
Lol Corndog Derangement is a real thing with this Libbieturd lmao- rent free inside the Pedo head of 2 pesos just wow

He is a Commie that
How is legislation that automatically registers people to vote who are able to obtain a driver's license is protecting the vote? How about registering 16-year olds to vote? How about letting alternate agencies have the ability to finish registration forms? Or perhaps the part that takes away States ability to make persons registered ineligible? I'm just getting started and this is just the first section of the voter rights act. An act that is both unconstitutional and partisan. Yea I hope this doesn't see the light of day. You can't even do enough work to fix it.

I applaud that you want more people to have access to vote, but who is being denied access to vote? Register and show up at the polls on election day and vote. If you can't do that then absentee ballots are available. What the democrats want is for some people to have more access to vote than the normal citizen, and how is that fair to the normal voter? I would rather cater to 99% of the population than 1%.

Voter ID laws can be as simple as you must present a form of valid picture ID to the election station to cast your vote, and sign off that you have voted. I'm sure you are going to say what about those who can't get a valid picture id, but has anyone ever found one of these people? Seriously, who can't get a valid picture id? If you want one we are bending over backwards to get them to you. Why do I need to accommodate that? Again, I could go on but we are one a Russian thread not a voter id thread.

You comment on the attack on the capital is getting to the point of ridiculousness. No one here besides democrats believes that. In other words, a strictly partisan attack. Again, I applaud your MSNBC talking points from Maddow, you have those down very well. I could go on, but I want to get to my next point.

"And parts of American capitalism need to be reformed or destroyed." You just admitted what I said about Democrats in congress is correct. Thanks for affirming what I said was true.
"And parts of American capitalism need to be reformed or destroyed." You just admitted what I said about Democrats in congress is correct. Thanks for affirming what I said was true."

His Convicted Socialist Seditionist Hero Lil Debs said the same things. But muh Jan 6th Insurrection! Lmao 🤣
 
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I am not a neocon but I do believe in Pax Americana. Their hypersonics are hype. Yes they are ahead of us in a deployable glide vehicle for now. That does not matter a hill of beans when 1 boomer can launch 24 missiles carrying 8 independent warheads. 192 targets! 18 active subs capable of hitting 3500 targets. If NATO rolls into Kiev after an invite there is not a d@mn thing he can do about it short of nukes...Its called MAD and that did not change with his new toys.

There are no limited nuke exchanges. Whoever holds the land keeps it short of an invasion of NATO or Russian territory. He stole parts of Georgia and took the Crimea. But he will not take the Ukraine if NATO is on the ground first.

Russian GDP is 1,5T compared to NATO 19T

Russian pop 145M and NATO has 600+M but if EU got involved total pop of such and alliance would be north of 800M

Just like the confederacy he is out manned and out gunned from the start. He has no hope of winning a conventional war. Do you think he risks nuclear war when the USoA can rain down 3500 nukes on his head in between 10-30 min.

But but but glide vehicles! Yeah he was going to launch land based missiles with either hypersonic gliders or regular warheads and we cant stop them either as our SMD is limited.

I am at a loss on how to reply in a cogent manner. Please allow me to enumerate in a haphazard fashion.

1) Pax Americana is a fashionable term used to advocate that because of America's innate goodness it has moral authority to become an empire with global power to bully any other nation, including military intervention anywhere and for any reason it chooses. That is a philosophical tenet that is anathema to any concept of a nation purporting to be composed of free people. It is precisely the justification neoconservatives and neoliberals have used to give themselves cover in their vision of global dominance (with themselves as the ultimate authorities, of course).

2). Your argument contradicts that being made by Mr. Coooer. He argues that Russia has developed technology that put America’s offensive military capability at extreme risk, and therefore taxpayers should dole out billions more to his friends in the weapons industry, and “friendly” allies should purchase billions worth more of those weapons. You, OTOH, pooh-pooh that argument and claim the US would annihilate Russia in any confrontation. So which one of you is correct?

3). You point to an overwhelming numbers mismatch between the Russian military and that of the so-called free world. I believe you said it was something to the tune of 145 million to 800 million. You seem to have forgotten that American aggression has driven China into the warm embrace of the Russians, adding 1.4 billion to the Russian side of the equation. That gives our enemies the advantage in the numbers game, by a considerable margin.

4). You argue that a limited nuclear war, should it happen, would fall to the advantage of America, which it very well might. But that is not a gamble any rational person ought to contemplate. Millions of fellow human beings, virtually all of them completely innocent and uninvolved in the game of brinkmanship being played by their self-described superiors, would vanish from the face of the earth, as they would be reduced to ash in the blink of an eye. Even if America were to avoid the worst of the damage there is no reason to believe we would avoid calamity, if for no other concern than the inevitable nuclear poisoning that would follow. But it is not reasonable to expect Russia (and China) would not retaliate with several hundred nukes of their own if they knew they were facing extinction. The whole thing is sheer insanity, and it is certain that once insanity is put into action even greater insanity will ensue.

5). You essentially avoided answering the question asking you to compare the American government’s global ambitions to those of Russia and China. The only thing you mentioned is Putin’s attempt to maintain Russia’s historical defensive buffer provided by countries in the old USSR as he watches America try to close in by assuming control of those territories by establishing puppet governments of its own, and violating it promise to keep its military out, as it violated the same promise in places like Poland.

I apologize for being so long winded.
 
I am at a loss on how to reply in a cogent manner. Please allow me to enumerate in a haphazard fashion.

1) Pax Americana is a fashionable term used to advocate that because of America's innate goodness it has moral authority to become an empire with global power to bully any other nation, including military intervention anywhere and for any reason it chooses. That is a philosophical tenet that is anathema to any concept of a nation purporting to be composed of free people. It is precisely the justification neoconservatives and neoliberals have used to give themselves cover in their vision of global dominance (with themselves as the ultimate authorities, of course).

2). Your argument contradicts that being made by Mr. Coooer. He argues that Russia has developed technology that put America’s offensive military capability at extreme risk, and therefore taxpayers should dole out billions more to his friends in the weapons industry, and “friendly” allies should purchase billions worth more of those weapons. You, OTOH, pooh-pooh that argument and claim the US would annihilate Russia in any confrontation. So which one of you is correct?

3). You point to an overwhelming numbers mismatch between the Russian military and that of the so-called free world. I believe you said it was something to the tune of 145 million to 800 million. You seem to have forgotten that American aggression has driven China into the warm embrace of the Russians, adding 1.4 billion to the Russian side of the equation. That gives our enemies the advantage in the numbers game, by a considerable margin.

4). You argue that a limited nuclear war, should it happen, would fall to the advantage of America, which it very well might. But that is not a gamble any rational person ought to contemplate. Millions of fellow human beings, virtually all of them completely innocent and uninvolved in the game of brinkmanship being played by their self-described superiors, would vanish from the face of the earth, as they would be reduced to ash in the blink of an eye. Even if America were to avoid the worst of the damage there is no reason to believe we would avoid calamity, if for no other concern than the inevitable nuclear poisoning that would follow. But it is not reasonable to expect Russia (and China) would not retaliate with several hundred nukes of their own if they knew they were facing extinction. The whole thing is sheer insanity, and it is certain that once insanity is put into action even greater insanity will ensue.

5). You essentially avoided answering the question asking you to compare the American government’s global ambitions to those of Russia and China. The only thing you mentioned is Putin’s attempt to maintain Russia’s historical defensive buffer provided by countries in the old USSR as he watches America try to close in by assuming control of those territories by establishing puppet governments of its own, and violating it promise to keep its military out, as it violated the same promise in places like Poland.

I apologize for being so long winded.
1.) I make no apologies.

2.)I say hypersonics do not change anything. That is the only place I see any tech advantage.

3.) China isnt going to get into global war with NATO, EU USoA

4.)I argued no such thing. I said there is no such thing as a limited exchange. If it goes nuclear it will be total. Pooty knows this and that is why MAD makes his glide vehicles nothing but a novel new toy.

5a.) I ignored it because its nonsense. The whole assumption and premise is flawed from the first statement to the last. How can I address something that is total fiction and propaganda that Pooty himself must have written in RT, that you read somewhere else and parroted here.

5b.)In short the west are the good guys for now but as they slide more and more to the left they begin to look more like Russia and China. Russia and China are the bad guys. Your short answer to point #5 is that last sentence. Rinse and repeat if you have a problem understanding my worldview and how evil must be dealt with.

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 
1.) I make no apologies.

2.)I say hypersonics do not change anything. That is the only place I see any tech advantage.

3.) China isnt going to get into global war with NATO, EU USoA

4.)I argued no such thing. I said there is no such thing as a limited exchange. If it goes nuclear it will be total. Pooty knows this and that is why MAD makes his glide vehicles nothing but a novel new toy.

5a.) I ignored it because its nonsense. The whole assumption and premise is flawed from the first statement to the last. How can I address something that is total fiction and propaganda that Pooty himself must have written in RT, that you read somewhere else and parroted here.

5b.)In short the west are the good guys for now but as they slide more and more to the left they begin to look more like Russia and China. Russia and China are the bad guys. Your short answer to point #5 is that last sentence. Rinse and repeat if you have a problem understanding my worldview and how evil must be dealt with.

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
I fear you have fallen victim to the relentless propaganda manufactured by our military/intelligence arm. It’s no wonder, they have been at it for several decades now. It’s a testament to its success that mist of us eventually begin to believe their rhetoric. The sad fact is the US government is at least equally as “bad” as the enemies we are assured we must be protected from. And arguably worse, much worse considering the slaughter of several million people it is responsible for since the end of hostilities following WW2. But it is clear this is a subject on which we will never agree, just as it’s equally clear your side has complete possession of the ball. May God have mercy on our souls!

I don’t know if your last line, the RR quote about liberals, is intended to call me a liberal. But if that is the case you might want to confer with our professed liberals. Our friend @my_2cents is convinced I’m a right wing hack that gets all his news from places like Fox. And I feel relatively sure that both @07pilt or @ DavidAllen would correct you on your error.

In the meantime I saw this and thought you might find it of interest.

 
I fear you have fallen victim to the relentless propaganda manufactured by our military/intelligence arm. It’s no wonder, they have been at it for several decades now. It’s a testament to its success that mist of us eventually begin to believe their rhetoric. The sad fact is the US government is at least equally as “bad” as the enemies we are assured we must be protected from. And arguably worse, much worse considering the slaughter of several million people it is responsible for since the end of hostilities following WW2. But it is clear this is a subject on which we will never agree, just as it’s equally clear your side has complete possession of the ball. May God have mercy on our souls!

I don’t know if your last line, the RR quote about liberals, is intended to call me a liberal. But if that is the case you might want to confer with our professed liberals. Our friend @my_2cents is convinced I’m a right wing hack that gets all his news from places like Fox. And I feel relatively sure that both @07pilt or @ DavidAllen would correct you on your error.

In the meantime I saw this and thought you might find it of interest.

I have no problem with the demand to keep missiles out of the eastern most borders between NATO and Russia. But admission of Ukraine and putting troops in the Baltic is about containment. Russia should be contained as the Crimea and Georgian campaigns have shown.

The Iran thing was not a Treaty and ABM was obsolete.

I am 52 and have been following geopolitics since I was 9. I am a Reaganite and GenXer. Our corrupt gubmint has been trending towards the sh*tter since zer0 became prez. Trump delayed it corrosion as it slides into leftist totalitarianism.

But Russia and China are already totalitarian thug states.
 
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