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Also Ringer promised his lady that they would move to Michigan when wrestling started to wind down. He was 26 years old at the time, and his fiancee got into a grad program at Michigan. I think the training partner issue was certainly a huge part of his move... although I think you can argue that you had AJ coming in, who is a better wrestler than Myles Amine (I know he was an Olympic bronze medalist... fight me)... Also Plott and Haas... but end of the day he did what was best for him and his future family. If it was all about money, that would be news to pretty much everybody involved.
Michigan's RTC also had Logan Massa & Domenic Abounader when Alex announced. Then they added Patrick Brucki. And just recently they added J'den Cox.

I don't think it was only about the $, but that had to be a factor. Alex told Mark Bader that he was looking to leave and thought he would end up at the NJRTC. Then he got a call from Sean Bormet and decided on Michigan.
 
Funny we’ve been talking about this because I just saw a post by NCAA wrestling on Instagram and it’s showing Michigan guys working out in their room and wouldn’t you know it! There is a picture of J’den Cox and Pat Brucki working out together…
 
I don't think anyone faults Alex for leaving. Between training partners, $, and his fiance, it makes a lot of sense. The question I have is did we try to sign someone else with the CowboyRTC $ earmarked for Alex? Jordan Oliver left UNC's RTC in June 2021 and joined the NYCRTC (run by Kendall). He would have been a great addition/replacement.

There are certainly indications that our position on RTCs is changing. Last night Chris mentioned the casino night RTC event was a success. Last summer they had the inaugural golf tournament. The new website is coming. I think a big test will be when Daton graduates. Will we retain him or allow him to leave?
 
It would be awesome to get JO back to Stillwater. Yanni D credits a lot of his success to JO. Burroughs has called him a great instructor of technique. Think it would be a huge boon to our middle weight guys to get them in. Carter, Voinovich, Williams, and Travis Mastro…

I don’t think there’s any chance they let Daton walk. Fortunately that’s still a couple years away.

Also really need to get a commitment for a stand alone facility.

There are just several things that need to be done and Oklahoma State needs to get behind the wrestling program to make it happen. Holder ignored it… and that just can’t stand.
 
Coach Daton Fix to replace John Smith in 10 years. I'm calling it!
I like that. For some reason I just don’t feel like the next head coach is on the staff right now. If some banners get hung the next few years that will change my mind.
 
And then, like, Vincenzo Joseph was going out and partying hard during the season as well. Missed a lot of duals and practices because he was hungover or overweight. Would take his results at NCAAs 100% of the time.
I can see both sides of this. Guys winning NCAA championships are freaks. There are different ways to think about these qualities. One might believe that hard work, practicing when others are sleeping, studying Russian esoterica from chechenfighters.com, whatever Dake is into these, etc is responsible for this freakishness. Once they believe in this connection, their success is tied to it. Deviation threatens failure.

I'll give you what might seem like a frivolous example, Jordan Oliver had this preoccupation with elaborate taping of his shoes/laces. I've not talked to him about it, but I bet he would have felt out of sorts without the appropriate taping ritual (The tennis guru Brad Gilbert has a section of his book "Winning Ugly" arguing for the efficacy of such things. His point was that these fetishes indicate that the athlete is focusing on competing.) As with Nomar Garciaparra's pre-pitch dance, the placebo effect of these rituals eventually have a nocebo effect. I think the same could be true of almost any training regimen. The athlete will cling to thebroutine until its efficacy is questioned by failure.

On the other hand, there are the rare athletic freaks who can't trick themselves this way. I think Joseph might be one. I remember practicing with PCC the week of Iron Man. I scheduled the co-practice so that my guys could see/feel what it was like to train with a one-of-one talent. It didn't go as I had hoped. Joseph, noticably smaller and pudgier than my 45, began practice by sitting on the wall with his shoes off. He sat there while everybody else was doing the run-around, plyo warm up thing. He evetually put his shoes on, walked around talking, and maybe did some tech analysis/drill/wrestle/horseplay. He even left the room a few times. Tbh I had no idea what he was doing.

I'm certain he didn't do this everyday, but the fact that he did it one day is telling. He didn't seem tied to any sort of ritual.
 
It would be awesome to get JO back to Stillwater. Yanni D credits a lot of his success to JO. Burroughs has called him a great instructor of technique. Think it would be a huge boon to our middle weight guys to get them in. Carter, Voinovich, Williams, and Travis Mastro…

I don’t think there’s any chance they let Daton walk. Fortunately that’s still a couple years away.

Also really need to get a commitment for a stand alone facility.

There are just several things that need to be done and Oklahoma State needs to get behind the wrestling program to make it happen. Holder ignored it… and that just can’t stand.

Hiring a big time RTC head coach should he step 1 and then you use that to help either keep or “recruit” other senior level guys.
 
Hiring a big time RTC head coach should he step 1 and then you use that to help either keep or “recruit” other senior level guys.

I think you can get a top level coach and get some guys to come to Stillwater from elsewhere...

But if you look at a lot of the stated reasons that some of those guys have moved RTCs... OSU doesn't have a top tier graduate school program, so if your spouse/partner is looking to continue their education, that's tough. Also not a ton of opportunity in Stillwater outside of the school.

With the RTC... kinda need to come to grips with Stillwater not really being much of a destination outside of wrestling. And there are some guys that will want that! But there are some... like Kyle Snyder or Alex Dieringer... that are looking for something else.
 
I think you can get a top level coach and get some guys to come to Stillwater from elsewhere...

But if you look at a lot of the stated reasons that some of those guys have moved RTCs... OSU doesn't have a top tier graduate school program, so if your spouse/partner is looking to continue their education, that's tough. Also not a ton of opportunity in Stillwater outside of the school.

With the RTC... kinda need to come to grips with Stillwater not really being much of a destination outside of wrestling. And there are some guys that will want that! But there are some... like Kyle Snyder or Alex Dieringer... that are looking for something else.

I think the quality of the coaching and wrestling in around the RTC is the biggest factor. Money and support is second. From there it drops off significantly.

If we ever REALLY make a run at this RTC thing, we will be one of the more sought after programs.
 
I can see both sides of this. Guys winning NCAA championships are freaks. There are different ways to think about these qualities. One might believe that hard work, practicing when others are sleeping, studying Russian esoterica from chechenfighters.com, whatever Dake is into these, etc is responsible for this freakishness. Once they believe in this connection, their success is tied to it. Deviation threatens failure.

I'll give you what might seem like a frivolous example, Jordan Oliver had this preoccupation with elaborate taping of his shoes/laces. I've not talked to him about it, but I bet he would have felt out of sorts without the appropriate taping ritual (The tennis guru Brad Gilbert has a section of his book "Winning Ugly" arguing for the efficacy of such things. His point was that these fetishes indicate that the athlete is focusing on competing.) As with Nomar Garciaparra's pre-pitch dance, the placebo effect of these rituals eventually have a nocebo effect. I think the same could be true of almost any training regimen. The athlete will cling to thebroutine until its efficacy is questioned by failure.

On the other hand, there are the rare athletic freaks who can't trick themselves this way. I think Joseph might be one. I remember practicing with PCC the week of Iron Man. I scheduled the co-practice so that my guys could see/feel what it was like to train with a one-of-one talent. It didn't go as I had hoped. Joseph, noticably smaller and pudgier than my 45, began practice by sitting on the wall with his shoes off. He sat there while everybody else was doing the run-around, plyo warm up thing. He evetually put his shoes on, walked around talking, and maybe did some tech analysis/drill/wrestle/horseplay. He even left the room a few times. Tbh I had no idea what he was doing.

I'm certain he didn't do this everyday, but the fact that he did it one day is telling. He didn't seem tied to any sort of ritual.

Yeah, NOMAR!
 
Hey @okcpokefan12, would like to understand what I've done to upset or offend you. Can I address something to clear the slate here? If not, that's fine too. Just want to see if I can fix something that you did not like so we can move forward.

Believe we ultimately want the same thing, which is to grow and support Cowboy Wrestling. Let me know what I can do.

Thanks,

Lee
 
Hey @okcpokefan12, would like to understand what I've done to upset or offend you. Can I address something to clear the slate here? If not, that's fine too. Just want to see if I can fix something that you did not like so we can move forward.

Believe we ultimately want the same thing, which is to grow and support Cowboy Wrestling. Let me know what I can do.

Thanks,

Lee
You’re doing good stuff Lee. Keep it up.
 
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It’s been a frustrating and emotional year for all. I think we need all need to be mindful of this and hopefully appreciate the good times to come.
 
Depends who you ask. I said PSU lots said Iowa.

Start of the season it was Iowa.

what most THOUGHT would happen:

125 - Spencer 1 and bonus
133 - 3rd and bonus
141 - 1 or 2 and bonus
149 - AA (he had mono just prior to NCAAs in 2021)
157 - AA (placed 5th in 2021)
165 - Finalist
174 - Finalist
184 - yuck
197 - finalist
285 - finalist

That's plenty of firepower to win it. But they were beat up (SPencer, Eierman, Kem, Cass) and performed under expectations (Murin, Young, Bull). Just a bad performance.
 
Start of the season it was Iowa.

what most THOUGHT would happen:

125 - Spencer 1 and bonus
133 - 3rd and bonus
141 - 1 or 2 and bonus
149 - AA (he had mono just prior to NCAAs in 2021)
157 - AA (placed 5th in 2021)
165 - Finalist
174 - Finalist
184 - yuck
197 - finalist
285 - finalist

That's plenty of firepower to win it. But they were beat up (SPencer, Eierman, Kem, Cass) and performed under expectations (Murin, Young, Bull). Just a bad performance.
That is what I thought.
Last year Iowa 129 won it, with everyone coming back, pretty tough to not be the favorites.
Penn State scored 131.5 this year. If RBY(23.0)and Lee(23.0) are gone that’s starting with around 85. Kervliet scored 15.5 this year. Give him 5 more next year. They are starting at 90…..and that is with four guys.
Dean will be at least minus 4.
 
We need to find a way to stay healthy. Honestly that's the biggest issue.

After that we need Wittlake and Plott to be semifinalists at worst... Mastro and Young to AA... And the incoming freshman to be ready to finish 6-16 (or better). If they don't feel some of those guys will be ready, need to work the transfer portal.
 
Realistically, we need to score at least 120 points to win the title. PSU will get 80-90 from 174-285 and then they'll find another 40 somewhere. We haven't scored 120 since 2006 - we've actually only broken 100 twice since then.

If we say 45 for AJ & Daton, and then 30 for Wittlake & Plott, we'll still need to get another 45 somewhere. We need multiple guys to break out.
 
I’d love to get a good 141/149 transfer. Alirez from UNC would be really good. He has a lot of talent.
I like him too. I think I watched him lose in the blood round…not sure though, I watched a lot of wrestling. We are going to need Mekhi Lewis/Cohlton Schultz type of transfers though.
 
I like him too. I think I watched him lose in the blood round…not sure though, I watched a lot of wrestling. We are going to need Mekhi Lewis/Cohlton Schultz type of transfers though.
Yeah idk. We were apparently recruiting Real Woods, Evan Wick and Kyle Parco a while back. To bad they didn’t work out.
 
Yeah idk. We were apparently recruiting Real Woods, Evan Wick and Kyle Parco a while back. To bad they didn’t work out.
I think the whole Stanford keeping wrestling probably put an end to Woods.
Wick’s brother is at Cal Poly I believe. Penn State couldn’t even get Wick, they were probably willing to write a nice check for him.
 
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I think the whole Stanford keeping wrestling probably put an end to Woods.
Wick’s brother is at Cal Poly I believe. Penn State couldn’t even get Wick, they were probably willing to write a nice check for him.

The school wouldn't accept Wick at Penn State. Supposedly a real source of contention between Cael and the administration. Also they won't let athletes take NIL deals at PSU.
 
The school wouldn't accept Wick at Penn State. Supposedly a real source of contention between Cael and the administration. Also they won't let athletes take NIL deals at PSU.
That's a interesting topic to see what evolves with Penn St and the NIL situation because in RBY's post championship interview he was asked about returning next year and the NIL situation and went on to say something along the lines of "if there are any Penn St donors out there that want to throw him some money or any companies then he would be back".

Here is the link. Its starts at the 4:00 mark.

I want to see if he wrestles in the trials next month. I would think that if he does then the chances of him returning next year look more likely. I thought he was pretty intent on working towards a future in MMA. So if that is something he was really focused on post college it wouldn't make much sense for him financially to postpone that opportunity for a year if that's really what he's looking for. Not sure how much money he would make his first year in the MMA, but IMO the window for fighters to make good money is about 8-10 years. He is 23 and needs a solid 2 years for training and getting quality fights in to even get considered for big money main fight card.
 
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