New OSU wrestling podcast from a good Cowboy
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Does anybody have specific RTC related questions for next week's episode? Got a special guest to discuss.
Lee, great job on the podcast. Not much of a specific question, but I think the general theme on these boards regarding the RTC program is how it plans to generate more funding along with how it plans to work on keeping guys around and bringing in new talent. Penn St has done a good job with their NLWC program and keeping their studs in the room with the likes of David Taylor, Zain Retherford and Jason Nolf. They have also brought in Kyle Snyder and Thomas Gilman. Those are some quality guys to train with and they can act as assistant coaches without being on staff.
I know there is a casino night fundraiser soon, but it would be nice to have somewhere you could buy OSU and Cowboy RTC apparel. It is really hard to find any OSU wrestling specific apparel to purchase online. So maybe that is one idea for generating funds.
I search annually for new OSU wrestling apparel. Tough to find.
I agree it is really hard to find stuff online. You can call The End Zone, they have the most and best wrestling stuff. They also ship really quickly and easily. 405-707-7370
Also the Bookstore at the union and in the stadiums has improved their wrestling selection quite a bit. https://www.shopokstate.com/search.aspx?searchterm=wrestling
Also the Bookstore at the union and in the stadiums has improved their wrestling selection quite a bit. https://www.shopokstate.com/search.aspx?searchterm=wrestling
The interesting thing to me is that I'm pretty confident if the wrestling program and the RTC started actually fundraising, they'd get the resources... I don't think it's a problem of wether or not they can get the money, it's a matter of wanting it. Hoping to get some clarity on that in my interview.
Hey @leecothran: silly human interest question for the pod…Wyatt seems to have a fairly obscure walk-on song (or I’m way behind the times…highly likely). Any story behind it?
New episode is available. Had Derek Fix on to talk Cowboy RTC.
The basic message Coach Smith does not want to finance other colleges wrestlers but any Cowboy who wants to go freestyle during or after college wrestling the Cowboy wrestling club will do that. Apparently John does raise money for the program according to Derek Fix but they want to do it better and so they are going with the web site etc that other RTC's already do. Fix indicated that John believes there are plenty of good training partners at Oklahoma State. He believes that it actually better for the elite wrestler to have partners that let the elite wrestler work his moves 100% of the time ( like John did when he was the elite wrestler) instead of 2 elites that they get to do their moves 50% of the time. I took all of this to mean we hope to go up 1 level with our club or RTC but we will not be Penn. St. or Ohio State or Cliff keen.
I think some things were misinterpreted there. Maybe y’all should all re-listen to the episode.
Thanks, I'll have to listen when I get a chance.
Seth interviewed Derek 4 years ago for Pistols Firing. That interview and Derek's comments were depressing. Hopefully we have a clue now and this one is better.
He said that the primary focus of Cowboy RTC is to develop and support Oklahoma State wrestlers on the senior level. He said that if an athlete from somewhere else wants to come to Stillwater to train, they are welcome and they will be supported. They’ll be compensated. But they aren’t going to go offer signing bonuses to try to lure guys from other programs the way Carl does. He also contends that the NLWC hasn’t really benefited them that much… that they were good before they started doing this.
Well that’s a misguided belief and not trying to replicate the clear giant in college wrestling currently is either stubborn or lazy.
Just like recruiting a student athlete, if you want to bring in a high level senior level wrestler you have to go convince him. Sell him on the program and you have to be competitive in pay and benefits. Getting guys like this has a direct and major correlation to the development of the college guys in the room.
We are missing the mark here by a good margin and it will be what keeps us from winning another NC.
In fact… Penn State hasn’t won a national title since they brought any of these guys in to NLWC.
Their champs last year were all top rated recruits.
And if they weren’t bringing in so many transfers, they would have at least 5 gaps in their lineup this season.
Their champs last year were all top rated recruits.
And if they weren’t bringing in so many transfers, they would have at least 5 gaps in their lineup this season.
Our recruiting has really picked up the last several which is great but there is a question mark on if we have the ability to develop to the level needed to win a NC.
We have also missed Oman few key recruits based on our lack of and RTC. Guys that could potential push this current group over the edge.
I hope we look back on this in a few year and laugh as we have ripped off 2 or 3 titles but I’m very skeptical as long as we keep our current attitude towards the RTC setup.
Just listened to it...quick thoughts...
- it's a very good interview, definitely worth a listen
- Lee did an excellent job, asked all the key questions
- Harley's summary was good
- Derek was very forthcoming and optimistic, but he was mistaken about a couple of things he said
- the current state of our RTC is due to John, not the NCAA (i.e., cheating), the administration, boosters (i.e., $), Derek or anyone/anything else
- it's a very good interview, definitely worth a listen
- Lee did an excellent job, asked all the key questions
- Harley's summary was good
- Derek was very forthcoming and optimistic, but he was mistaken about a couple of things he said
- the current state of our RTC is due to John, not the NCAA (i.e., cheating), the administration, boosters (i.e., $), Derek or anyone/anything else
I don’t think we just got the two top classes though recruiting certainly has improved with getting rid of Guerrero and letting Perry and Caldwell have more sway. An interesting situation is developing….lots of very good recruits locally coming up….but not necessarily the superstars like a Fix or Ferrari…..more like a Mastro. A couple might turn out to be superstars, like Lockett perhaps. There’s almost enough to load up our recruiting on just those. So do we take local guys that are like 10-30 or so P4P, or do we turn down some to save space for some national top 5 guys.
We had the #1 recruiting class in 2020 and then #6 in 2021 according to Flo. That was before Carter Young flipped, so we would probably have ended up either #2 or #3. I think PSU with 2 top 5 PFP guys would have stayed #1.
It will be interesting this spring and summer to see how these local kids do Nationally in freestyle and then Super 32's with folk style. We have Jordan Williams , Anthony Ferrari, and Zac Blankenship coming in next year. I believe that Ferrari and Williams can wrestle with anyone in the Country. While Zac Blankenship has time to develop but he is a question mark especially being so short. The next year the commitments are Cael Hughes and Jersey Robb both very local. The next year it is likely Angelo Ferrari ( looks like a top5 if he keeps developing) Young Voinovich and McComas. The next year Lockett ( looks like a top 5 guy). Looks like we are going local but i have heard the HWT from New Jersey being mentioned who is a junior like Cael Hughes. I think if we can get a top 5 guy you get him if he is the right kid and some of these locals will go else where or walk on.
I love Blankenship’s strength and motor. Seems like Lockett, youngest Ferrari (I think it’s that one) and maybe Williams could be really special and elite if they dedicate themselves. Most of the rest are really good but not elite. But they are close enough if they totally dedicate they may get there. Having AJ set an example for hard training is huge. For years we have had a bunch of partiers who did not dedicate themselves. With G’s seeming turnaround hopefully we are nearing the end of that, though I still hear the party stories, including AJ. Not sure I’m thrilled with little Smith still hanging around.
Blankenship had two strips of tape on both shoulders yesterday. Not sure if that is just for looks or actually achieving something. I assumed it was just for looks since it was two different colors.
We really need one of these guys to be on AJ/Daton level. That gives us 3 with the remainder of the team developing. Hopefully one or more of Plott, Mastro, Young, or Surber is a top 3-4 guy. Wittlake already has a 4th under his belt with 3 more tries remaining. That should be title hunt material for several years.
Yeah, does he have shoulder issues? I can’t remember seeing anyone having both shoulders taped like that.
According to runner’s world:
Surprisingly, there’s actually not a whole lot of evidence that kinesiology tape really does reduce swelling and pain and increase muscle function, as it claims. One meta-analysis found that it may have a small beneficial role in improving strength and range of motion but further studies are needed to confirm these findings. A more recent experimentfound that kinesiology tape may just have a placebo effect (one that does work, though), which many athletes will swear by.
Might as well go with 3 or 4 different colors. Why not?
Surprisingly, there’s actually not a whole lot of evidence that kinesiology tape really does reduce swelling and pain and increase muscle function, as it claims. One meta-analysis found that it may have a small beneficial role in improving strength and range of motion but further studies are needed to confirm these findings. A more recent experimentfound that kinesiology tape may just have a placebo effect (one that does work, though), which many athletes will swear by.
Might as well go with 3 or 4 different colors. Why not?
Probably a result of football season running into wrestling season. He was wearing it at the Bixby vs Stillwater match in Dec. Plott was also wearing it early last year. After the shoulder popped, he switched to a brace.
I've got some (if you happen to know)...
- Are we sending any guys to the Last Chance Open this weekend? (no one is showing in Track yet)
- Do you know how Haas is doing in the room vs Stika? Was wrestling him @ 197 considered?
- Any word on Boone?
- Maybe a general discussion about next year's lineup? (who will be back, options at different weights, transfer possibilities, etc)
I've got some decent insight on 1,2, and 3... I'd like to hold on to number 4 until after the season. I know we're all ready for next year... but still some stuff to look at for this year.
I'll also be issuing an apology for two things... calling Jaydin Eierman "trailer trash" and giving us all hope.
Almost all the folks I've talked to about the Bout at the Ballpark are of the opinion that it was a big swing and miss and never should've happened.
Do you get the sense that the message has been received by the staff and/or administration? Do they share the sentiment?
With our podcaster reality has sunk in which I am glad. This year has been a real disappointment and I'm uncertain with the future ( but I hope that it has to be much better than this year). You are indicating information that I don't know ( which I like). Such as Kyle Haas apparently is doing very good in the room and you see him as a title contender in the future at 184. I hope that you are right because I haven't seen that with his results in competition. I know he is very strong and if he got some fluidity, smoothness and technique he could be someone special. I hope Lee is right. Voinovich or Travis Mastro needs to be a star at 149. At 157 I think you go next year with the winner between Williams and Ferrari, and then the 1 who lost and redshirted wrestles 157 the next year. Then you go Ferrari at 57 and Williams at 65 and neither of them lose a year. I think Ferrari is better than people think. I know at freestyle in the spring I thought Ferrari was better than Ed Scott who is rated 9th at 157 as a redshirt freshman. I guess time will tell how it works in the future. We sure could use some luck and a bunch of wrestler improvement in the next year. I am also concerned that we are having so many injuries that our progress of wrestlers has been set back or even limited. This could cost us 35 down the road.
Haas wrestled 11 matches this year, won all of them, and 7 of those wins were by fall.... could you explain what you mean by "haven't seen that with his results"?
