Things that don’t exist
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As opposed to the assumption she was fleeing something other than not living in America.
You got it backwards. You are the one assuming things. I know nothing about this woman which is why I'm not calling her a moron.
Does that mean that the women that didn't leave on foot with the children are morons?
It seems like it is either moronic to go or moronic to not go if it is due to escaping terrible situations.
No sir. You have it backwards. You are assuming she may not be a moron because she may be fleeing something. What, you cannot say evidently.
No mother should put her kids into that situation at the border. If she did, she's a moron. It's indefensible. Think of the kids.
Bum's rush. I'm not saying that messaging from the hive is forming the opinions of our loyal MAGA crowd, but.......
I'll say it for the umpteenth time:
GIGO. Amazing how talking points and nomenclature comes out of right wing social media and then... same exact programming comes out here.
Probably just a coincidence.
You don't even know what the momma faces behind her and you're passing judgment. Jesus Christ. Don't say it's about the kids, you haven't even familiarized yourself with what the kids are facing back there.
You are correct, I guess I am assuming that it is possible that she might not be a moron.
Indefensible to stand near the border with children.
Oh the thick irony of the times we live in! The modern Left would crucify this woman if she didn't let her boy wear a dress, play with Barbie's, and call himself Esmerelda, but they're A-OK with her taking said child, running through Mexican border security, and joining in with a couple hundred "excited" young men inciting chaos in a confined area in conflict with armed peace officers.
Because of what she faced two months ago in a country 3000 miles away?
Mmmkay. You leftists ITT let me know the next time you let your kids play alone in the front yard so I will know you're not hypocrites applying a massive double standard.
***turns caravan discussion into yet another display of homophobia, makes his entire argument hyperbolic BS***
I’m not a twitter guy at all. Is the Swaim guy being critical of Lahren?Bum's rush. I'm not saying that messaging from the hive is forming the opinions of our loyal MAGA crowd, but.......
I'll say it for the umpteenth time:
GIGO. Amazing how talking points and nomenclature comes out of right wing social media and then... same exact programming comes out here.
Probably just a coincidence.
I wasn't there, maybe the BBC reporter is lying.
How did events unfold?
A group of at least 500 migrants joined a march from their shelter in Tijuana towards the border on Sunday.
Image captionThe march started peacefully
Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said the migrants had asked for help to organise the demonstration but were then reportedly encouraged by some of the movement's leaders to split into different groups so they could make a run for the border and try to cross into the US.
The march started peacefully with migrants carrying pro-immigration banners and shouting: "We aren't criminals! We are hard workers!"
But once they managed to get past the security cordon, the march quickly turned into a dash for the border, BBC correspondent Will Grant reports.
Image captionBut when a group split off and made a dash for the border, US border patrol reacted
Image captionSome migrants managed to climb the border fence
Image captionBut they were driven back by tear gas
Several hundred managed to climb over the first barrier, according to AFP news agency. It was as they tried to cross a second, spike-topped wall that officials on the US side began firing tear gas.
An AFP journalist saw the migrants - including mothers and children - trying to protect themselves from the gas.
Associated Press Mexico correspondent Chris Sherman said he had seen parents running away with choking toddlers. Among them was Honduran migrant Ana Zuniga, 23, and her three-year-old child: "We ran but when you run, the smoke smothers you more."
US Customs and Border Protection, which polices the border, said its personnel had been assaulted and hit by rocks.
Today, several migrants threw projectiles at the agents in San Diego. Border Patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents' safety. Several agents were hit by the projectiles. The situation is evolving and a statement is forthcoming.
Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott told CNN on Monday: "There were sections that had dilapidated border wall that was made out of scrap metal the military gave us.
"The group breached a couple of sections of that, actually tore down one small section."
What was the US reaction?
As a result of Sunday's action, the US closed the San Ysidro border crossing near Tijuana to vehicles and pedestrians for a number of hours, causing long delays in both directions.
Image captionThe San Ysidro border crossing is the busiest between Mexico and the US
US Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said the migrants had tried to harm US border guards "by throwing projectiles at them".
She said the department would "not tolerate this type of lawlessness and will not hesitate to shut down ports of entry for security and public safety reasons" and that US officials would "seek to prosecute" offenders.
Mr Trump has said he has given troops at the border the go-ahead to use lethal force if needed, but no soldiers were involved in Sunday's confrontation.
What did Mexico say?
Mexico's interior ministry said that, "far from helping their objectives", the migrants' actions had violated the legal migration framework and could have led to a "serious incident".
LOL straw man much? I mean... you'd think at some point you zombies would want some fresh talking points. It's repetition of the same silly shit every day with you people, and it all starts from professional pundits and then you broadcast their messages... FOR FREE! Hell at least make them pay you something.
Yeah. Maybe. I'm not gonna say it wasn't bad. Are you? Why don't you get some facts before ripping a mother born with problems you can't even relate to?
You're another born follower. Get out more and get some of your own thoughts and opinions instead of repeating other people's professionally packaged talking points.
So the immigrants stopped off at Kinkos and printed up signs?
Or was it the NGO's that organized this from the beginning?
Or was it the NGO's that organized this from the beginning?
No. The authorities were clearly trying to gas the women and children because they were women and children. And now Mexico is deporting some of the migrants for no reason at all. That should double the outrage.
I don't know, I dont' know anything about him. It's just insane how certain born followers just GIGO right down the line. It's as if nobody ever sat them down and said, "You need to understand that FOX news and Tomi Lauren are making money by generating outrage. You should think with your own brain instead of with theirs." Nope. Even parrot their same language!
And speaking of swallowing and publishing someone else's totally dumbass narrative and yours truly got like... a 2 year ringside seat:
Anything yet?
You just can't bring yourself to condemn bad parenting when it whacks you in the face because she fits a class of people that your handlers have indicated need defending?
What's so comical about your stereotyping is that basically any person with the tiniest bit of common sense could make a judgement that putting your small children in jeopardy of physical harm is a bad thing, practically irrelevant of the motivation. But in your world of cultural and political programming, this common sense doesn't play and anyone judging the mother harshly must have been told to do so by their conservative media handlers.
Tell you what, let's put your theory to the test. Go ask a room full of kindergartners if it's OK that after school and snacks, their mommies drag them into a fight with men with guns and teargas. Would their handlers tell them to say that's not OK, like they did with me and everyone else not in favor of bad parenting?
Trying to find any indication that the woman pictured did anything besides be in a crowd near the border. It certainly doesn't seem like she is in a confined space like you mentioned before.I wasn't there, maybe the BBC reporter is lying.
How did events unfold?
A group of at least 500 migrants joined a march from their shelter in Tijuana towards the border on Sunday.
Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionThe march started peacefully
Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said the migrants had asked for help to organise the demonstration but were then reportedly encouraged by some of the movement's leaders to split into different groups so they could make a run for the border and try to cross into the US.
The march started peacefully with migrants carrying pro-immigration banners and shouting: "We aren't criminals! We are hard workers!"
But once they managed to get past the security cordon, the march quickly turned into a dash for the border, BBC correspondent Will Grant reports.
Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionBut when a group split off and made a dash for the border, US border patrol reacted
Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionSome migrants managed to climb the border fence
Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionBut they were driven back by tear gas
Several hundred managed to climb over the first barrier, according to AFP news agency. It was as they tried to cross a second, spike-topped wall that officials on the US side began firing tear gas.
An AFP journalist saw the migrants - including mothers and children - trying to protect themselves from the gas.
Associated Press Mexico correspondent Chris Sherman said he had seen parents running away with choking toddlers. Among them was Honduran migrant Ana Zuniga, 23, and her three-year-old child: "We ran but when you run, the smoke smothers you more."
US Customs and Border Protection, which polices the border, said its personnel had been assaulted and hit by rocks.
Today, several migrants threw projectiles at the agents in San Diego. Border Patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents' safety. Several agents were hit by the projectiles. The situation is evolving and a statement is forthcoming.
Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott told CNN on Monday: "There were sections that had dilapidated border wall that was made out of scrap metal the military gave us.
"The group breached a couple of sections of that, actually tore down one small section."
What was the US reaction?
As a result of Sunday's action, the US closed the San Ysidro border crossing near Tijuana to vehicles and pedestrians for a number of hours, causing long delays in both directions.
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES
Image captionThe San Ysidro border crossing is the busiest between Mexico and the US
US Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said the migrants had tried to harm US border guards "by throwing projectiles at them".
She said the department would "not tolerate this type of lawlessness and will not hesitate to shut down ports of entry for security and public safety reasons" and that US officials would "seek to prosecute" offenders.
Mr Trump has said he has given troops at the border the go-ahead to use lethal force if needed, but no soldiers were involved in Sunday's confrontation.
What did Mexico say?
Mexico's interior ministry said that, "far from helping their objectives", the migrants' actions had violated the legal migration framework and could have led to a "serious incident".
Have a hard time believing that the woman anticipated fighting, guns, and teargas.
Can you read?
It's about alternatives. One of the two alternatives is her current life. You are saying that we need not know anything about that current life -- it's not bad enough. The alternative of "bum rushing" (in the current parlance of your thought leaders) has to be compared to something.
It takes a really unique brand of follower to make your argument without knowing both alternatives.
\On top of that, we need to make a judgment based on demographics and not an indivudual's experience. Aaaall of those people have had the same experience and it wasn't bad enough to justify a bold attempt to get into the U.S.
The kindergarten vignette. There you go. You think teargas and guns is the alternative and the other alternative is.... a nice ride home in mommy's land rover? It literally never occurred to you that the alterntative is something different. Why would you? Fox didn't tell you. Rush didn't. Why wouldn't you think a metaphor like that is inaccurate?
So she was just sitting quietly in her migrant camp "near the border" humming Catholic hymns and knitting socks for her daughter when the jackbooted US border patrol sent teargas mortars in her direction?
Several hundred managed to climb over the first barrier, according to AFP news agency. It was as they tried to cross a second, spike-topped wall that officials on the US side began firing tear gas.
Willful ignorance of the facts is not a defense, pilt.
Weird world you live in when you think people need pundits to tell them that endangering children is wrong. I guess because yours told you it wasn't?
As for her experiences, I guess the rest of the migrant mothers that stayed in their encampment and didn't risk harm to their children just don't love those tots quite as much as the psychopath that dragged her children into a mob. Shame on them.
So what were they fleeing? Now they should just sit in the encampments until... they go home? Wait on you to help out?
Truth it, and you should just admit it -- it doesn't matter what they're coming from, or what their incentive is, they're just pawns for right wingers to get the great unwashed whipped up. You don't give a shit about those kids, or you'd know what they're running from before ripping their moms just like Tomi Lauren wants you to.
I'll say this -- you've done one thing well: fit in. You're right down the line with right wing spinners.
OK, thanks.
I get what he’s saying, but I think he unintentionally makes a great argument FOR increased border security.
Let's see.. She is in a caravan that has broken down barriers getting into Mexico, been involved in fighting Mexican police and military, thrown rocks during the fights in Mexico and was with them as they forcefully tried to enter the US while throwing rocks at border patrol.
Nope, no way that moron could have known there was going to be some trouble. She is to stupid to know that.
I think it is reasonable to think you can go stand near a fence without being gassed, and that if violence is going to be doled out it will be against the people climbing the fence or bum rushing. I know I don't take my gas mask to BPS and I bring my children, even though I know some people are going to start fights and possibly throw things.
She's not a moron. She was running away from the riot control agent. That's very appropriate behavior. Since she left the area, there was no longer any danger for her or her children.
I'm not sure why some people are acting like the Border Patrol locked people in a room and gassed them. Those that wanted no part of the Border Patrol response were free to leave the area and apparently did. That's why riot control agents are used. CS canisters tend to separate the wheat from the chaff.
