Makes my point, Joey and Nancy have spit in the eyes of the Church and they have basically taken on the Catholic church regarding its teachings and spit in there eye. They have done this for votes. Church has every right to kick them out or deny them sacraments.
Yes it is. Go read the Declaration on Religious Liberty from the Second Vatican Council. Here is the link for you...
Yes, President Biden doesn't have to choose between church and state. He supports the separation of church and state.
Great for you. But the fact remains that many Catholics supported Biden. Just as many as did Trump. Sorry you have an issue with facts but that is a fact.
the word of prophecy, or the word of the Gospel, from Christ the essential Word; and give them warning from me;
Exactly. The fetus relies on the mother's breathing to receive oxygen. The fetus does not take it's first breath on its own till it is born.
I watched my son breath in the fluid of the womb. It is a medical test when you go for ultra sounds. Keep trying its murder.
No, why don't you be quiet and stop trying to dictate to President Biden and Speaker Pelosi what religion or political party they should belong to. Stop trying to lecture them about their faith (when you clearly don't really understand it). And stop hoping the Catholic Church excommunicates them because you disagree with their politics. Such an action isn't going to happen.
then quit killing babies. Look I will compromise with you. No more murderers on death row will be killed. Only life sentences. I actually agree with you here because terminating a life on death row makes sure they never have a chance to repentant and ask for Christ into their hearts. So no more death penalty and no more abortions I mean murder.
You conflate the church having control or votes in the government, with individuals having the freedom in this country to vote with their moral conscience, for many that conscience is developed from religious teachings, that does not mean the church controls the State. Your an idiot for conflating them. As a Catholic, you should be ashamed every Catholic has to explain to the world their viewpoints on abortion. Please ask the same of any Muslims running for office on their treatment of women or belief in sharia law, or even abortion. You are the one that combines State and Church when convenient. Catholics are heavily discriminated against by Dims simply over religion, which is suppose to be illegal.
Church and State are separated in this country, so why the strawman question, I don't see anyone advocating for the Vatican to have seats in Congress. The church has no vote. Biden and you are the one with the big problem here, because you choose the State over your own Religion when it comes to issues of life, death, and morality. I don't think you and Joe really believe in the Churches teachings, or you would be a Republican, or just STFU when it comes to pushing abortion.
Do you know what it means for Trump to get 50% of the Catholic vote when he was running against a Catholic? I guess you consider that real support. You actually think that shows support for Joe, a Catholic? LOL.
Where did you cut and paste all this from lol? Don't believe in citing your sources?
Yes, it was before Jesus just like every passage in the Old Testament was before Jesus. Including those passages conservative Christians use to justify their opposition to abortion.
"During weeks 10 and 11 of pregnancy, the developing fetus will start to inhale tiny bits of amniotic fluid. This “inhalation” is more like a swallowing movement. It helps the baby’s lungs as they begin to develop. By the 32nd week of pregnancy, a baby will begin to practice “breath-like” movements less like swallowing and involve compression and expanding the lungs."
Quit trying to dictate your moral, religious, and ethical views on abortion to every woman by government decree. Try to understand that not everyone believes as you believe. And try to understand how deeply personal an abortion decision is to a woman.
No thanks. I support a woman's right to choose and have control over her own body.
No I don't. I support fully the separation of church and state.
No we don't. We aren't choosing state over our religion. We are separating the two and honoring both at the same time.
lol, I love how you so often change your argument once your original argument is proven wrong.
These images should not bother you @my_2cents, take a good look, these should ok for the internet, just a choice for women, 6 weeks and heart beat seems reasonable. BTW - I believe capital executions should be public for the same reasons, when the public really sees what is going on it is not sanitized and just a campaign talking point.
No I wouldn't leave the Church. However, the Church isn't going to do this.
I've spent a whole thread telling you why. You just refuse to listen to reason because all you want to do is attack Democrats.
lol, didn't twist anything. I literally quoted from the quoted material you provided. And I agreed with it.
No I don't. Left leaning sourced material. Does not matter what American Catholics think, matters what the Pope and Bishops thinks. Perhaps some U.S. Catholics need to split off from the Roman Catholic Church. Only thing I learned is Biden wants to use his influence to create more abortions internationally. Sure the Pope and Bishops just love Joey. Hate to hurt your feelers but a Catholic Prez running for office should get about 85% of the Catholic vote, hope you feel good about that 50%.
Yep. K-12 Catholic school. “Borgia” was a charlatan, much like Papa Frank, and the Ignatian order. At least that’s what I gleaned from my senior theology class.
www.reuters.com
Wrong. You’re a “going through the motions Catholic”.
Indeed. Catholic doctrine teaches that “life begins at conception. “ Not, “life begins at conception, but only if the mother believes that to be the case”.
Can't read anything that challenges your positions huh?
No it matters what American Catholics think, especially when you try to claim to speak about what we believe and how we vote.
Why do you believe this? What, you think Catholics should just blindly vote for someone simply because he/she is also a Catholic? I surely hope not.
You obviously was misled in your senior theology class then. Pope Francis is not a charlatan. Nor is the Society of Jesus.
Not true. One can be personally against abortion but also believe it is a choice that should be left up to a woman to make. Again, one can (and should) believe they don't have the right to impose their religious beliefs on all American women.
With regard to when life begins, absolutely. If you’re not willing to give a child the full protection of the law at conception, then you’re classifying that child as something less than human, regardless of what you profess your “personal beliefs” to be.
