Next Years Lineup
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Shut your ho mouth! 😠🤣
We dont even know either teams full line up in 3-4 years. Granted we have a good idea but the psu list that was given earlier half those guys will be gone. No Davis, SVN, MM, or Kasak. In 28' or 29' it could happen! The RTC will continue to grow from outside guys and Cam, DJ and Plott are all sticking around.
Agree mostly but I don’t think these guys will need that long to bake. It’s not 5-6 years. ‘27 & ‘28 should be TOUGH squads imo.
I agree if we are not challenging in the next 3 years with the young talent, we are bringing in I would have to believe our coaching staff are not real good or our bad luck continues. Now days it is common for great high school wrestlers to shine brightly early. We have high school wrestlers beating top college or post college stars with regularity. If you can not develop young talent like Merrill, Ross, Lockett, Vega, Robideau, Forrest, Thompson, maybe Sakamoto or Spratley, Hughes, Jamison and Routledge you should lose your job or for sure should not be paid what our staff is being paid. I disagree with Pennstate1985.
We also have to take into acct how big it is that all of these super Seniors are going to hand around.
These young guys are going to get kicked in the teeth everyday in practice. It’ll really speed up the learning curve
If Rin can be who we think…
‘27
25-sprat
33-Rin/Jax
41-Vega/Jax
49- Wolbert/Vega
57-Robideau
65-Routledge
74-Dee
84-BT/Transfer
97-Merrill
HWT-Ross
There is also an outside shot at another mega ‘26 recruit coming in at 65-84 range (84 is only if he grows as big as his dad).
I think we could also see a scenario where guys pull hard and you move
33-Jax/Vega
41-Wolbert/Vega
49-Robideau
57-Routledge
65-Dee
74-?(maybe that mystery recruit)
A lot to be excited about either way
You've very high expectations for Wolbert he's a solid prospect but I don't see him beating Vega out for a spot. He could end up being as good as you say but currently he can't be put in the same tier as Vega
He definitely may but you cant put him on the same level of recruit as Vega currently that's all I'm saying
I’ll say this… Kellen is a year younger and Vega wasn’t rated top 20 on Flo’s ‘25 big board when he is was going into his Jr year. We’ll see how it goes this summer and through K’s senior year
True BUT Vega is more accomplished to date so I get the opinion. I think Wolbert comes into his own but it is a discussion point at this time.
I think he's in the lineup next year. He's definitely ready and likely slots at 165 but could go 157. He's an older HS SR and assume he's done growing.
Dee likes to work in his matches. He could be a big pinner if he wanted to be in HS.
We'll see how that plays out in college.
Yeah, probably at least 3-5 years. Heck, with the funding, the excitement, the influx of NIL, growing RTC, growing recruiting, the evil emperor Cael Palpatine, the two Stooges and slum lord Bob,…. We could be ready sooner. 😉
Wolbert is going to be very good and surprise a lot of people
Well, he looked raw in the matches I saw. I may be in the minority, but unless they are top tier, ala Bo, Jax, Blaze, I like them to be a little rough around the edges. I feel like there is growing room and they can jump levels easier. When they are a finished product, they are about as good as they are going to be their first year, sometimes worse. Plus, the system he came from was very good. Also, the coaches think very high of him. It’s good enough for me.
Ben? Are you talking about Mower?
Gotcha lost me there. Ben will keep churning out studs that's for sure. Iowa not being in the mix for those kids wont help things that's for sure
2030 sounds about right, maybe 2029. Those thinking we'll seriously compete for a title much sooner may not fully appreciate the gap between Penn State and the rest of college wrestling. Realistically to beat Penn State a team almost needs a title contender at every weight class and to get that OSU will need about 3 top recruiting classes in a row to reach maturity. So for instance the class of 2025, 2026 and 2027 will need to mature. These recruiting classes with be 5, 4 and 3 years in the program by 2030, so that sounds about right. The one thing that could possibly move this up a bit is the portal.
If we’re going to beat PSU… the kids wont be that developed when we push. Everything is sped up. This sounds just as insane to me but If these kids we’re taking now aren’t good enough (or if we’re not developing well enough) for them to push for a finals appearance in their 1st couple years then we aren’t catching up. Nearly every young kid PSU rolls out is a finalist or close to it almost immediately. Luke is that level, Blaze will be, Kasak is, MM is, Levi is was, Carter was, Brooks was, Barr is.
If theyre not good enough to bite as pups then we’re in trouble imo.
Hard to say currently. Penn st has something special going on with development. They take guys and make them champions in 1 year. I believe Oklahoma St guys have improved this year for sure . Time will tell if DT and staff are able to get kids that good that fast. Barr was looking solid last year but not a world beater and now he is in the title conversation.Lets see how top talents Thompson and Merrill look next year and that will be a good gauge
If you look up and down the PSU lineup, you'll see most will redshirt coming in. The ones that don't redshirt left HS early to train at the NLWC. It is very uncommon for a stud to go as a true freshman without being in college room at least a year in some manner. The last one I remember was Zain Retherford, and it probably cost him 4 titles.
I expect DT to try to replicate that formula because it works. Having guys in a college room for a year before starting has paid Cael dividends. They learn the system and the expectations and work out the kinks before having to worry about live matches.
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Do you think it's him churning out studs are the the studs going to him.
Wisconsin has always had good wrestling. But they've never produced kids in the #s they're now. And kids aren't moving in from other states he's turning Wisconsin kids into hammers. It's definitely his approach and the system he teaches
Even if we have 3 national champion true freshmen next year, which we absolutely will not - it doesn't matter - that's not enough. As I said, to beat Penn State now a team has to nearly have 10 title contenders. That does not happen with 1 years' worth of recruits, it takes several years worth of ridiculously good recruiting and development to even begin to challenge. Wrestling is a vastly different landscape than when Gable and Smith's teams were dominating. Cael is not going anywhere.
It’s definitely the system. As of this last year, when he was still on Flo, he said that AWA doesn’t get move-ins, or relocations. He literally put Wisconsin HS wrestling on the map. What he has done with what he has, is very impressive.
100% agree so I think we’re talking past each other a bit. My point isn’t that we don’t need people it’s that we aren’t looking at 2030 and a guy like Cody Merrill being completely off the roster by then for us to get there.
We have had (I’m leaning on the talent and upside of some guys) 4 good classes in a row already.
‘22- Troy and Tagen are transfers but that’s a good ‘22 haul
‘23-BT and Cael have the talent… yet to be seen how they buy in and develop.
‘24-Merrill and Rin. Merrill is perfect example of what I’m talking about. He’s pretty much there. He’s a finalist level guy next year. I also have very high hopes for Rin.
‘25- This class is loaded. Dee, Robideau, Routledge and Vega should all be major pieces and then there are a ton of high upside interesting pieces behind them (Ramirez, Johnson, Ish, Goff, Hickman, Teague)
‘26-Jax, Ross, Wolbert and Zinkin are all #1’s for us as targets. Ranking aside, Gilman picked Zinkin out as a top target.
My point being that we aren’t just now getting into the elite recruiting game… we’ve just turned it up under DT. Even If we forget about ‘22, ’23 ’24 & ‘25 and we put the PSU two year development clock on our most recent class then we’re looking at ‘28.
Next year (‘26) is a kick the can year imo and we should lean into Sr transfers again at some weights just to keep momentum, but starting in ‘27… we should have some existing studs and some absolute dawgs emerging.
And we’ll obviously lean on the portal to fill in for the guys who don’t live up or to buy us time through out.
If its who I'm thinking He would be a killer addition to the line up. And having so many studs sticking around Stillwater in this weight range to workout with cannot be underrated! And dont ask fellas cause we aint telling lol.
Do NOT underestimate Wolbert. MM's dad tried to tell Cael that they needed to grab him up but they didnt listen. Now that hes starting to roll with Ben this kid will take off just like all of Ben's guys do. Ben has stated that Kellen is just starting to tap into his real potential. And you guys should listen to Willie and JBs latest pod. They discuss how that MM was not really impressive in HS.
What if we said pretty please?
If its who I'm thinking He would be a killer addition to the line up. And having so many studs sticking around Stillwater in this weight range to workout with cannot be underrated! And dont ask fellas cause we aint telling lol.
