That is absolutely not true. Every single Obstetric and Pediatric society has come out saying it is safe and recommended for pregnant patients. The rate of miscarriage with COVID, on the other hand, is very real.
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The fact that people are waiting for a government agency to give them the all clear is incredibly dumb, especially because these same people are the type saying they don’t want to get it because it is “new” and the government rushed it out, even though that is false.
Great I can't go out in public or have sex with my wife now. I AM DONE PEOPLE!!
You listen to respond instead of listening to understand. You have heard nothing I have said. This is why we are where we are today - if you don’t get the vaccine you’re just dumb.
Read the Moderna vaccine fact sheet. If that doesn’t make you pause then I don’t know what to tell you.
Have a great day.
Ready the sheet on any medication and you won’t take it. Why are you singling this one out?
OK, but that means nothing. I know two pediatricians personally and neither one recommends pregnant women receive the vaccine due to the blood clotting issues. They would never go on record with that statement due to the pushback they would receive. Believe what you want, just giving you some actual hard data.
Hell I got all the vaccines and figured half the crap I put in my body from high school to 30 is far worse then anything they could put in that dosage.
You didn’t give any hard data to prove they cause miscarriages.
I really don’t want to get involved in the circle jerk that is going on right now in this thread, but I do like to pour over data. So I just had to say that you did not actually give any data. Hard or otherwise. If you have some data on this topic, I would love to see it.
Dept. of Health: Large majority of individuals hospitalized for COVID-19 in Oklahoma are not vaccinated
Oklahoma State Department of Health data shows that a large percentage of COVID-19 patients in Oklahoma hospitals are individuals who have not been vaccinated against coronavirus.
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The most recent data has it at 8%. The number of breakthrough cases increased by 1 from 153 to 154 for the week of August 11. And then increased 31 from 154 to 185 as of today.
The number of breakthrough cases will increase. Bottom line the 99.9% number is pure propaganda. Same as the efficacy rates that were being thrown out when the vaccine rollouts began.
Additionally, my daughter who is at OSU Med in Tulsa right now said that 2 of her covid patients are breakthrough cases. BUT, one was diabetic and the other had COPD, was oxygen dependent, morbidly obese and had lung and kidney cancer. if your healthy a vaccination is a good way to keep from getting anything but mildly sick in almost every case.Another:Dept. of Health: Large majority of individuals hospitalized for COVID-19 in Oklahoma are not vaccinated
Oklahoma State Department of Health data shows that a large percentage of COVID-19 patients in Oklahoma hospitals are individuals who have not been vaccinated against coronavirus.www.google.com
The most recent data has it at 8%. The number of breakthrough cases increased by 1 from 153 to 154 for the week of August 11. And then increased 31 from 154 to 185 as of today.
The number of breakthrough cases will increase.
Quite a few of the unvaccinated nurses are female of childbearing age. They typically are more worried about fertility issues, or issues to their potential babies. I am painting with a broad brush, but that is typically what I’ve heard from nurses I work with. Drs tend to be later 30’s or past childbearing. Nurses usually are over 50, or fresh out of school in their 20’s. Most nurses late 20’s-30’s typically have left bedside to work management, or APRN positions.
ACOG does recommend the vaccine for these type of patients, but I would always consult with your primary care as they know you and your medical history the best.
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Our healthcare industry is a "for profit" business. I don't see how you can lay the responsibility on them for creating extra capacity that may or may not be needed simply for the public good. Maybe the federal government could have taken on that responsibility, but I can only imagine the magnitude of complaining from conservatives on overreach and irresponsible spending had that taken place.
The data is they had pregnant patents who received the vaccine and then lost their babies. These were heathy women with zero signs of issues. After losing serval babies, they stopped pushing for their pregnant patients to get the vaccine. This was enough of an issue that "blank" shots were given to pregnant healthcare workers so they wouldn't be hassled about not getting the shots. Yes, I am being vague to protect the doctors and location.
By your own admission your admitting the vaccine may or may not be safe. As I've stated before I'm not going to take this shot unless absolutely necessary to keep my job. My natural immunity trumps anything the vaccine can add. In your wonderful world that would make me an "illogical anti-vaxxer" which I'm not...many others feels the same after having had the chinse flu.
If I died of chinese flu, then that's my choice correct. If your worried about someone passing the chinese flu to you then get vaccinated, wear a mask or two, or three and don't expose yourself to crowds or people that don't get vaccinated.
By the way, have your fired any of your clients at the vet clinic for not getting vaccinated but still wanting your services?
As long as the rich sophisticated crowd parties without masks and in huge groups; vaccinated or not, I am impervious to their exhortations when the mics and cameras are on for public consumption
In the end Sweden will make up those numbers, especially this fall/winter. By the way on their recently weekly rolling averages Sweden's actual change in deaths per million is +.10, Denmark's is +1.38.
For pregnant patients from Johns Hopkins:
www.hopkinsmedicine.org
The CDC has done the biggest study so far of 2500 pregnant patients and showed the miscarriage rate fell exactly where is does with historical numbers (13% vs 11-16%). There is a study of 20,000 patients right now, but numbers aren’t out yet.
@OSUMBA Im sorry but nobody is putting blank shots in peoples arm. That would be such a giant liability issue, I don’t know where to even start there. I know you can’t give specifics, but someone is lying in that situation. I work with about 15-20 OB docs and they all say unequivocally get the vaccine. No hesitation.
COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know
Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.
The CDC has done the biggest study so far of 2500 pregnant patients and showed the miscarriage rate fell exactly where is does with historical numbers (13% vs 11-16%). There is a study of 20,000 patients right now, but numbers aren’t out yet.
@OSUMBA Im sorry but nobody is putting blank shots in peoples arm. That would be such a giant liability issue, I don’t know where to even start there. I know you can’t give specifics, but someone is lying in that situation. I work with about 15-20 OB docs and they all say unequivocally get the vaccine. No hesitation.
That all sounds great until you consider that kids under 12 can't get vaccinated. I have 2 employees with 2 year old children. They don't want to take the virus home to their kids, even if the risk of their children developing serious illness is low.
If true, why are the overwhelming majority of current hospitalized patients (and daily deaths) occurring in unvaccinated people? Seems to me that the vaccine add something significant to the situation.
We talk about masks at school all the time. We have decided that schools could easily get around the mask law if they called it part of a uniform policy.
Do you know how many of them have had and recovered from the chinese flu? Or have then never had the chinese flu? Without knowing that, the statistic is meaningless. I suspect that information is actually being withheld for the purpose of misleading the general public and continuing to push for vaccines regardless of having had the chines flu or not.
Earlier I said the value from my antibody test is extremely high (so I've been told). I'm in excellent health and have zero comorbidities. I'm confident my natural immunity really is more robust than anything the shot can add. Now, if the physician I spoke with said, your antibodies are very low, or if I'd never had the chinese flu, I'd get the shot.
One only needs to walk around in public to understand the magnitude of unhealthy and overweight (why no prolific campaigns to end obesity along with the vaccine push?) citizens there are and understand why this has been such an issue.
If only the majority of the anti-vaxxers were like you. Sounds like you have a logical, scientifically based reason for not getting vaccinated. However, I would caution you that your antibody titer might be gradually waning over time. What was robust a month ago, might be minimal at some point in the future. We probably don't know the answer to that question at this point. With that said, even if your antibody levels drop off to near zero, your immune system might be primed to mount a robust response if you are re-exposed.
The problem is that there are a lot of people in this country that think the vaccine is part of some kind of conspiracy. They are throwing up the X due to believing that Covid is a hoax or due to distrust of the government. Those are the people ending up intubated and wishing that they had gone ahead and taken advantage of the vaccine once they realize it is too late for them.
Oh thank god.... The rest of the world is at least.
If only the majority of the anti-vaxxers were like you. Sounds like you have a logical, scientifically based reason for not getting vaccinated. However, I would caution you that your antibody titer might be gradually waning over time. What was robust a month ago, might be minimal at some point in the future. We probably don't know the answer to that question at this point. With that said, even if your antibody levels drop off to near zero, your immune system might be primed to mount a robust response if you are re-exposed.
The problem is that there are a lot of people in this country that think the vaccine is part of some kind of conspiracy. They are throwing up the X due to believing that Covid is a hoax or due to distrust of the government. Those are the people ending up intubated and wishing that they had gone ahead and taken advantage of the vaccine once they realize it is too late for them
I had the Chinese flu last November....I'll keep checking for sure. But right now am holding pat and what reading I've done indicates that the there is more and more belief if you have recovered, your natural immune system will suffice to prevent re-infections.
Am not a conspiracy guy either. Honestly (and not knowing what you read or watch) how many times do you hear anyone, considered mainstream, mention that comorbidities (think it was 2 or more) and age significantly raise your risk of complications or death from the chinese flu? There has been so much official government vacillating it's hard to know what is fact versus what is not so much fact.
I'm also not one to think this is a hoax and honestly anyone that does is just not operating on all cylinders.
Conversely, if the people dying were unvaccinated, but healthy, post chinese flu recovery do you think that the media would be screaming this fact?
Whether people want to admit this or not, politics has driven this from about last April on. What measures will be needed to stop the next variant, then the next and the next? At some point there is a subset of people who can do nothing to survive this, which is of course unfortunate but natural nonetheless.
Once again, that's a story, not anything resembling data.
⬆️⬆️⬆️From the guy who put me on “ignore” because he didn’t like hearing my criticism.
He clearly has zero idea of how hospitals plan, fund, and build stuff and then equip and staff it. And he definitely has zero idea about how those types of things are financed.
Fair enough. But then don't bitch when you don't have capacity and have sick people overflowing on you.
Uhhhhhhh, you do realize that federal law requires hospitals to treat anything that comes through the ER REGARDLESS of ability to pay, right? You're entitled to a medical screening exam and stabilization of your condition. And you don't have to pay a dime up front. Look up EMTALA before you try to lecture anyone that actually knows about healthcare operations.
And what an asshat you are. Damn, completely not what I normally expect from you. That's about as disrespectful as anyone could be toward someone who works in healthcare. We don't get to choose who we take care of. And it's obvious that you have zero idea of what goes into healthcare related expansion. Maybe you can guide me through the very simple and speedy process of adding beds to a hospital? Don't google it. Tell me what YOU know.
This thread started by someone in the medical field crying about having no beds.
Put it this way.... The oil and gas industry foresees that in 18 months there is going to be a significant increase in need for gasoline. But all the executives said, "Screw it. We don't want to go through the expense or effort to retask the refineries." Then in 18 months there is a national fuel shortage and millions of people are stranded and it's a national crisis. What do you think the reaction would be from you, the general public, and the federal government?
But hey, it's a for profit industry so fvck the consumers as long as its profitable.
So I showed the ignored content and found this. FYI... I didn't put you on ignore because I didn't like your criticism. I put you on ignore because I think you're an unentertaining asshole and I didn't care to read the bullshit you typically sling.
I am not going to go in to great detail, because I do not think you are genuinely interested. That said, there are numerous hurdles required for a hospital to jump over before they can do any expansion, especially if it requires any capital improvements. The petroleum industry is nothing like the medical industry, especially when it comes to expansion of capacity.
And shit... it doesn't have to be a permanent brick and mortar structure. Set up an agreement with the local YMCA to rent out the gym and set up medical tents in them. Fvck.
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So now you show your ignorance. It has to be easier to build a hospital than it is to build a refinery or expand an existing one. About the only thing more difficult today would be to get a new nuclear plant built.
Yet hospitals are built and expanded all the damn time.
Uhhhhhhh, just no. That's just a stupid attempt to deflect your lack of knowledge about anything related to healthcare expansion, the actual topic at hand.
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