Current Oklahoma Hospitals

[pokefan24/7]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Maybe not worded the best way but masks reduced the spread of RSV last year which led to weakened immunity systems this year. So it is currently spreading during the off season and hitting infants even harder than normal and a lot of the blame lies with mask mandates.

 

[Ostatedchi]

It's completely insane to suggest that expanding capacity, spending millions and millions of dollars on facilities, staff, and treatment barrages is more appropriate than people getting vaccinated which is cheap and would have averted the hospitalization crisis.

I never said it was an either/or situation or that it is more important to increase capacity over getting the vaccine. Nice straw man.

Again, there are incredibly intelligent people in the medical field. This is a solvable problem if the community chose to work on it. So far all I’ve heard ITT are excuses and we all know what excuses are like.

 

[ThorOdinson13]

What do you mean "no it didn't"? It didn't reduce the spread or didn't weaken immunity systems? Doesn't really matter what you're responding to as both are true.

It didn’t prevent anything. No it’s not true. If it was Sweden wouldn’t have had the same drop in cold numbers. But keep taking the kool-aid.

1. Surgical mask / cloth face mask studies​

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020

The US Centre for Disease Control performed a study which showed that 85 percent of those who contracted Covid-19 during July 2020 were mask wearers. Just 3.9 percent of the study participants never wore a mask.
Original: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
Erratum. correction: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6938a7.htm?s_cid=mm6938a7_whttps://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-cdc-study-covid-masks

2. Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review​

This study used 5462 peer-reviewed articles and 41 grey literature records.

“Conclusion: The COVID-19 pandemic has led to critical shortages of medical-grade PPE. Alternative forms of facial protection offer inferior protection. More robust evidence is required on different types of medical-grade facial protection. As research on COVID-19 advances, investigators should continue to examine the impact on alternatives of medical-grade facial protection”
So how is your cloth and surgical mask working again if EVEN medical grade alternatives are failing ?
Study Article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32371574/

3. Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses​

“There is moderate certainty evidence that wearing a mask probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza compared to not wearing a mask”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33215698/

4. Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery​

“We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27115326/

5. Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review​

Two randomized controlled trials were included involving a total of 1453 patients. In a small trial there was a trend towards masks being associated with fewer infections, whereas in a large trial there was no difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group.

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16295987/

6. Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure​

“Our results suggest that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles<2.5 μm”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27531371/

7. Face seal leakage of half masks and surgical masks​

“The filtration efficiency of the filter materials was good, over 95%, for particles above 5 micron in diameter but great variation existed for smaller particles.

Coronavirus is 0.125 microns. therefore these masks wouldn’t protect you from the virus”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4014006/

8. Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols​

“The filter efficiencies against influenza virus particles were the lowest”

“We conclude that the filter efficiency test using the phi-X174 phage aerosol may overestimate the protective performance of nonwoven fabrics with filter structure compared to that against real pathogens such as the influenza virus”
Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29910210/

9. Aerosol penetration through surgical masks​

“Although surgical mask media may be adequate to remove bacteria exhaled or expelled by health care workers, they may not be sufficient to remove the submicrometer-size aerosols containing pathogens ”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1524265/

10. Particle removal from air by face masks made from Sterilization Wraps: Effectiveness and Reusability​

“We found that 60 GSM face mask had particle capture efficiency of 94% for total particles greater than 0.3 microns”

How big is the virus again? 0.125 microns.

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33052962/

See how easy that was. Stop listening to the lies

 

[pokefan24/7]

It didn’t prevent anything. No it’s not true. If it was Sweden wouldn’t have had the same drop in cold numbers. But keep taking the kool-aid.

1. Surgical mask / cloth face mask studies​

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020

The US Centre for Disease Control performed a study which showed that 85 percent of those who contracted Covid-19 during July 2020 were mask wearers. Just 3.9 percent of the study participants never wore a mask.
Original: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
Erratum. correction: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6938a7.htm?s_cid=mm6938a7_whttps://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-cdc-study-covid-masks

2. Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review​

This study used 5462 peer-reviewed articles and 41 grey literature records.

“Conclusion: The COVID-19 pandemic has led to critical shortages of medical-grade PPE. Alternative forms of facial protection offer inferior protection. More robust evidence is required on different types of medical-grade facial protection. As research on COVID-19 advances, investigators should continue to examine the impact on alternatives of medical-grade facial protection”
So how is your cloth and surgical mask working again if EVEN medical grade alternatives are failing ?
Study Article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32371574/

3. Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses​

“There is moderate certainty evidence that wearing a mask probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory-confirmed influenza compared to not wearing a mask”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33215698/

4. Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery​

“We included three trials, involving a total of 2106 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27115326/

5. Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review​

Two randomized controlled trials were included involving a total of 1453 patients. In a small trial there was a trend towards masks being associated with fewer infections, whereas in a large trial there was no difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group.

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16295987/

6. Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure​

“Our results suggest that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles<2.5 μm”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27531371/

7. Face seal leakage of half masks and surgical masks​

“The filtration efficiency of the filter materials was good, over 95%, for particles above 5 micron in diameter but great variation existed for smaller particles.

Coronavirus is 0.125 microns. therefore these masks wouldn’t protect you from the virus”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4014006/

8. Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols​

“The filter efficiencies against influenza virus particles were the lowest”

“We conclude that the filter efficiency test using the phi-X174 phage aerosol may overestimate the protective performance of nonwoven fabrics with filter structure compared to that against real pathogens such as the influenza virus”
Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29910210/

9. Aerosol penetration through surgical masks​

“Although surgical mask media may be adequate to remove bacteria exhaled or expelled by health care workers, they may not be sufficient to remove the submicrometer-size aerosols containing pathogens ”

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1524265/

10. Particle removal from air by face masks made from Sterilization Wraps: Effectiveness and Reusability​

“We found that 60 GSM face mask had particle capture efficiency of 94% for total particles greater than 0.3 microns”

How big is the virus again? 0.125 microns.

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33052962/

See how easy that was. Stop listening to the lies

Well considering your post has absolutely nothing to do with RSV I'm not going to bother responding to any of it.

How about this data, from 8/24/19-4/18/2020 (around when masks started to be required everywhere) you can see the typical RSV season with the peak occurring between December and January. Compare that to the numbers from this year and you see practically no cases in Oklahoma until April, around when the season should be ending.

RSV State Trends - NREVSS | CDC

NREVSS: RSV State Trends

www.cdc.gov

 

[Been Jammin]

You still knew that you needed more capacity for just this scenario. It isn't just Covid cases but total cases that count. The medical community has been negligent this past 18 months in their failure to increase total capacity. They made a business decision to not spend the money knowing it would impact patent care.

Lot of excuse making.

You've had 18 months to put beds in rooms and set up protocols to house patients, and hire and train staff to handle the work load. It doesn't have to be Dr.s and Nurses doing all the work. There's simply no excuse to require shipping patients out of state.

Dr.'s are smart people. Be creative and ramp up.

I never said it was an either/or situation or that it is more important to increase capacity over getting the vaccine. Nice straw man.

Again, there are incredibly intelligent people in the medical field. This is a solvable problem if the community chose to work on it. So far all I’ve heard ITT are excuses and we all know what excuses are like.

I think you are waaaaay oversimplifying the situation.

I also think it is possible that a lot of medical decision makers underestimated the number of anti-vaxxers in the state. It would be very understandable for them to assume that 80+ % of eligible individuals would rather get vaccinated than take their chances with ending up intubated and on a ventilator. Assuming I am correct, it definitely would play a part in where they allocate the $ available to them.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

Does anyone remember in April/May 2020 when the masks became a political issue and the Surgeon General made the comment of "If 80% of people wear masks we can crush COVID and have college football." Close to 100% of people wore masks outside the home in urban areas as summer started (as per the Carnegie Mellon national mask tracking project). COVID exploded over the summer in the US. Using the same anecdotal observational logic employed by the CDC, it is obvious that masks cause COVID (sarcasm but you get the point). Also, for months the CDC implied that COVID could be spread outside. There is literally zero evidence of a single case of COVID ever being transmitted outside. This past summer when COVID hit India hard they instituted a mask mandate there and the COVID wave started to plummet (following the exact same pattern it does everywhere it hits regardless of what mitigation efforts are taken other than the vaccine). Many physician colleagues of mine posted stuff on social media along the lines of "Good job India, the masks worked!" Total silence from these clowns a few months later when the next wave hit and caused 4x the cases. No statement from the Surgeon General here after COVID exploded despite the masks. No one asks these clowns questions when it becomes obvious how wrong they are months later.

 

[poke2001]

This is such BS.

Two weeks ago, oklahoma was reporting that 1/4 of all the hospitalizations were fully vaccinated.

Also this….

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

By studying chickens, researchers say they have proven the theory that more virulent viruses can evolve from so-called “leaky” vaccines.

www.healthline.com

No they weren’t. It was 7% were vaccinated.

 

[Dittykb]

Does anyone remember in April/May 2020 when the masks became a political issue and the Surgeon General made the comment of "If 80% of people wear masks we can crush COVID and have college football." Close to 100% of people wore masks outside the home in urban areas as summer started (as per the Carnegie Mellon national mask tracking project). COVID exploded over the summer in the US. Using the same anecdotal observational logic employed by the CDC, it is obvious that masks cause COVID (sarcasm but you get the point). Also, for months the CDC implied that COVID could be spread outside. There is literally zero evidence of a single case of COVID ever being transmitted outside. This past summer when COVID hit India hard they instituted a mask mandate there and the COVID wave started to plummet (following the exact same pattern it does everywhere it hits regardless of what mitigation efforts are taken other than the vaccine). Many physician colleagues of mine posted stuff on social media along the lines of "Good job India, the masks worked!" Total silence from these clowns a few months later when the next wave hit and caused 4x the cases. No statement from the Surgeon General here after COVID exploded despite the masks. No one asks these clowns questions when it becomes obvious how wrong they are months later.

Florida resident here.

My kids go to a private Catholic school which isn't covered by BDR's totally benign EO (that disallows schools forcing kids to wear a mask but totally allows parents the freedom of sending their kids to school in mask), so our school actually has a mask mandate in effect.

All teachers, staff, parents are required to wear masks from the time they leave their cars until they re-enter at the end of the day with the only exceptions being PE and playground.

My daughter's 3rd grade class currently is without her teacher due to a positive result (vaxxed and minor symptoms) plus 4 kids due to exposure.

Anecdotal, but cloth masks are super effective

 

[PokeMBA]

Any conspiracies you do not like?

Wife is a pediatric doctor. Is her educated medical opinion not valid to you? Because that is where my stance comes from.

why does not thinking masks work effectively and that there are consequences from hiding from natural viruses for a long time period have to be a conspiracy to you? It is literally the foundation of survival of the fittest and natural adapatation.

 

[long-duc-dong]

There ya go. Spread lies and get more people killed. The RIGHT WING WAY!!

Shut up you liar.

 

[BluegrassPoke]

So FOX4 in Dallas just showed 96 deaths in Texas for a 7 day rolling average. I guess yesterday they left off the number after 9 @blbronco

20,304 Covid cases this week

12,227 patients in hospitals
I would be curious to know how many of these cases in Texas are at the border.

 

[PokeMBA]

I think 98% of the people in ICU on ventilators are using their bodies natural ability.

Seeking medical care if your symptoms worsen is important. Just as it is with many other viral illnesses.
No one is making the case to not use ventilators or seek care when needed. But long term mask use creates a unnatural dependency which prevents natural immunity of all viruses in 99.9% of people who can combat these viruses without medical care.

Ok pediatric icu are busy but primarily RSV right now. Less than 5% of ped icu is covid and those with covid almsot always have other health concerns

 

[pokefan24/7]

Wife is a pediatric doctor. Is her educated medical opinion not valid to you? Because that is where my stance comes from.

why does not thinking masks work effectively and that there are consequences from hiding from natural viruses for a long time period have to be a conspiracy to you? It is literally the foundation of survival of the fittest and natural adapatation.

Forgive him, Rachel Maddow hasn’t told @glflyer about RSV so there was no way for him to know.

 

[Dobsie]

So FOX4 in Dallas just showed 96 deaths in Texas for a 7 day rolling average. I guess yesterday they left off the number after 9 @blbronco

20,304 Covid cases this week

12,227 patients in hospitals
I would be curious to know how many of these cases in Texas are at the border.

North Texas still has a lot of patients that were shipped there from Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas.

I'm not sure how those numbers are factored in at this point.

 

[blbronco]

So FOX4 in Dallas just showed 96 deaths in Texas for a 7 day rolling average. I guess yesterday they left off the number after 9 @blbronco

20,304 Covid cases this week

12,227 patients in hospitals
I would be curious to know how many of these cases in Texas are at the border.

That number is a lot closer (based on the dashboard), so I am better with that information. I anticipate that number will shoot up in about 2 weeks, which has been the trend with each wave of COVID. The increased death rates lags the increased hospitalizations by about 2 weeks.

 

[squeak]

The FDA could do a lot by giving full approval to one or more vaccines. People can say all they want about it being safe and there being enough evidence that the benefits outweigh the risks, but when the FDA cannot officially say that and approve a vaccine, many people - especially younger and healthier people - won’t get it, especially when the fatality rate in Oklahoma is 1.5% and trending down. I mean you’re more likely to get a girl pregnant using a condom than you are to die from covid.

 

[OSUGD]

Does anyone remember in April/May 2020 when the masks became a political issue and the Surgeon General made the comment of "If 80% of people wear masks we can crush COVID and have college football." Close to 100% of people wore masks outside the home in urban areas as summer started (as per the Carnegie Mellon national mask tracking project). COVID exploded over the summer in the US. Using the same anecdotal observational logic employed by the CDC, it is obvious that masks cause COVID (sarcasm but you get the point). Also, for months the CDC implied that COVID could be spread outside. There is literally zero evidence of a single case of COVID ever being transmitted outside. This past summer when COVID hit India hard they instituted a mask mandate there and the COVID wave started to plummet (following the exact same pattern it does everywhere it hits regardless of what mitigation efforts are taken other than the vaccine). Many physician colleagues of mine posted stuff on social media along the lines of "Good job India, the masks worked!" Total silence from these clowns a few months later when the next wave hit and caused 4x the cases. No statement from the Surgeon General here after COVID exploded despite the masks. No one asks these clowns questions when it becomes obvious how wrong they are months later.

People wore masks in public, but not behind closed doors with their families and friends. And that is people of all political stripes, including governors and mayors. That is what drove the spread, not some goob who didn't wear his mask when he ran into 7-11 for a Big Gulp.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I think you are waaaaay oversimplifying the situation.

I also think it is possible that a lot of medical decision makers underestimated the number of anti-vaxxers in the state. It would be very understandable for them to assume that 80+ % of eligible individuals would rather get vaccinated than take their chances with ending up intubated and on a ventilator. Assuming I am correct, it definitely would play a part in where they allocate the $ available to them.

I recognize that this is a complex issue made even more difficult due to federal regulatory oversight. But it is an important issue to solve and there just doesn’t seem like there’s much interest from the medical community to work on it.

Every critical infrastructure industrial segment has similar problems. These issues aren’t unique to the medical field.

They are solvable. Period. It just takes a willingness from the medical community to adapt and come up with new solutions.

 

[SquinkY5786]

Seeking medical care if your symptoms worsen is important. Just as it is with many other viral illnesses.
No one is making the case to not use ventilators or seek care when needed. But long term mask use creates a unnatural dependency which prevents natural immunity of all viruses in 99.9% of people who can combat these viruses without medical care.

Ok pediatric icu are busy but primarily RSV right now. Less than 5% of ped icu is covid and those with covid almsot always have other health concerns

I mean more of the vaccine argument. If a shot can prime your system same as getting sick then I’d take the shot.

 

[Pokes1988]

I feel bad for the hospital personnel that is completely overloaded. I really wish those infected would have taken the vaccine when they had the chance.

But I'm wearing 2 masks, I'm good right? What the CDC says.

 

[SSS!!!]

I recognize that this is a complex issue made even more difficult due to federal regulatory oversight. But it is an important issue to solve and there just doesn’t seem like there’s much interest from the medical community to work on it.

Every critical infrastructure industrial segment has similar problems. These issues aren’t unique to the medical field.

They are solvable. Period. It just takes a willingness from the medical community to adapt and come up with new solutions.

Man we don’t even enough staff to cover the issues we are having in the already standing facilities. How are we supposed to staff new facilities. Our hospital has rooms set up for overflow but can’t open them bc we have no one to man them. We can’t come up w nurses and ICU docs out of thin air. The morale of those workers is extremely low right now and lot are really pissed. It’s sad talking w them right now. The only good news is it *seems* like portions of Arkansas and Missouri hospitalizations are already plateauing, so hopefully it’s a quick surge unlike this winter.

 

[Poke73]

FACT: cloth masks are worthless against the Delta variant, surgical masks are only 40% effective, and N95 masks are still only 80% effective.
N95 is the only mask to be worn. Anything less is almost a complete waste.

 

[SquinkY5786]

FACT: cloth masks are worthless against the Delta variant, surgical masks are only 40% effective, and N95 masks are still only 80% effective.
N95 is the only mask to be worn. Anything less is almost a complete waste.

Saying fact doesn’t make it a fact.

 

[windriverrange]

I think you are waaaaay oversimplifying the situation.

I also think it is possible that a lot of medical decision makers underestimated the number of anti-vaxxers in the state. It would be very understandable for them to assume that 80+ % of eligible individuals would rather get vaccinated than take their chances with ending up intubated and on a ventilator. Assuming I am correct, it definitely would play a part in where they allocate the $ available to them.

I often paint with a wide brush too....but there is definitely a distinction between "anti-vaxxers" and those not wanting to take THIS shot. Calling everyone not wanting to take THIS shot an "anti-vaxxer" because they don't trust it or need it is an entirely different animal than someone who takes no vaccines thus an "anti-vaxxer." All it does is piss people off and drive them further into their belief.

Most everyone who is pushing/forcing this vaccine policy won't be around in 20 or 30 years when its possible that you start seeing commercials like "If you took the Covid Vaccine in 2020 or beyond please call bullshiteatme law firm. You might be entitled to compensation."

 

[ThorOdinson13]

ABBOTT AND COSTELLO’S ‘WHO’S ON FIRST’ ……covid version.
Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.’

 

[Dittykb]

Saying fact doesn’t make it a fact.

Fact: Saying fact doesn't make it a fact.

 

[poke2001]

The FDA could do a lot by giving full approval to one or more vaccines. People can say all they want about it being safe and there being enough evidence that the benefits outweigh the risks, but when the FDA cannot officially say that and approve a vaccine, many people - especially younger and healthier people - won’t get it, especially when the fatality rate in Oklahoma is 1.5% and trending down. I mean you’re more likely to get a girl pregnant using a condom than you are to die from covid.

So, people don’t trust the government until the government says it’s safe? I’m at a loss on this mentality.

 

[Been Jammin]

Most everyone who is pushing/forcing this vaccine policy won't be around in 20 or 30 years when its possible that you start seeing commercials like "If you took the Covid Vaccine in 2020 or beyond please call bullshiteatme law firm. You might be entitled to compensation."

Some of the ones who throw up the X won't be around in 1 year because they died of Covid. Others will be around, but their quality of life will suck due to issues caused by Covid even though they survived. Others will be around, and won't have any post-Covid issues, but someone they care about won't be around or will be suffering because the anti-vaxxer caught the virus and passed it on to someone.

Our country has a long history of exposing the population to things that are dangerous despite our government thinking they are safe. For example, Nicotine, Asbestos, Lead, Thalidomide. If you are waiting for some magical guarantee that the vaccine is safe, its not going to happen. For me, and for most logical individuals, there is significantly more proof of negative health issues associated with Covid infection than with the vaccines.

 

[squeak]

So, people don’t trust the government until the government says it’s safe? I’m at a loss on this mentality.

No, the FDA won’t approve a vaccine until they have enough evidence to support a conclusion that the benefits outweigh the risks. So, I’d say these people are trusting science.

 

[Emmo496]

Isn't RSV increased by children wearing masks?

Not necessarily, but children and adults wearing masks for multiple days without washing or some kind of cleaning is a problem. These masks harbor 1000s of germs and are breeding grounds for all kinds of issues.
RSV is easily transmitted from adult to child as well. Yet many PCPs will not test an adult for RSV. Therefore, if an adult has it they are then passing it along to their children.

 

[Emmo496]

Lot of excuse making.

You've had 18 months to put beds in rooms and set up protocols to house patients, and hire and train staff to handle the work load. It doesn't have to be Dr.s and Nurses doing all the work. There's simply no excuse to require shipping patients out of state.

Dr.'s are smart people. Be creative and ramp up.

A big problem is also the mandate from these hospitals that all staff be vaccinated. Oklahoma was already stretched thin in regards to nurses. This was an issue way before COVID.
Does it surprise anyone that a high percentage of frontline docs, nurses, etc are refusing the vaccine? This is causing them to lost their job or quit and exacerbates an already huge problem of not enough caregivers.

 

[poke2001]

No, the FDA won’t approve a vaccine until they have enough evidence to support a conclusion that the benefits outweigh the risks. So, I’d say these people are trusting science.

These people aren’t waiting for the FDA to tell them it’s ok.

 

[squeak]

These people aren’t waiting for the FDA to tell them it’s ok.

Many are waiting for full approval.

 

[SSS!!!]

A big problem is also the mandate from these hospitals that all staff be vaccinated. Oklahoma was already stretched thin in regards to nurses. This was an issue way before COVID.
Does it surprise anyone that a high percentage of frontline docs, nurses, etc are refusing the vaccine? This is causing them to lost their job or quit and exacerbates an already huge problem of not enough caregivers.

There is absolutely not a high percentage of doctors who are unvaccinated. AMA released a survey showing 96% of doctors are vaccinated with no difference in regions. Now there are a decent amount of nurses that for some reason are not getting it. I can almost guarantee you near 100% of front line doctors have gotten it.

 

[poke2001]

Many are waiting for full approval.

That is incredibly dumb.

 

[squeak]

There is absolutely not a high percentage of doctors who are unvaccinated. AMA released a survey showing 96% of doctors are vaccinated with no difference in regions. Now there are a decent amount of nurses that for some reason are not getting it. I can almost guarantee you near 100% of front line doctors have gotten it.

The nurses that haven’t had the vaccine probably have had covid.

 

[poke2001]

There is absolutely not a high percentage of doctors who are unvaccinated. AMA released a survey showing 96% of doctors are vaccinated with no difference in regions. Now there are a decent amount of nurses that for some reason are not getting it. I can almost guarantee you near 100% of front line doctors have gotten it.

Could be that a lot of nurses have had Covid and don’t feel they need the vax (and they would be correct).

we should not be listing numbers as “vaccinated” vs “not vaccinated”. It should be “immune” vs “not immune”.

 

[squeak]

That is incredibly dumb.

There are processes in place that have proven themselves over time. If someone has no risk factors I don’t really see the issue in waiting. You might not like it, but you think those that disagree with you are dumb.

 

[OSUMBA]

There is absolutely not a high percentage of doctors who are unvaccinated. AMA released a survey showing 96% of doctors are vaccinated with no difference in regions. Now there are a decent amount of nurses that for some reason are not getting it. I can almost guarantee you near 100% of front line doctors have gotten it.

I think you would be very surprised the amount of front line workers which have received a shot that do not contain the vaccine. There is a large hospital in the state that refused to make the pregnant female nurses take the vaccine due to the high risk of miscarriage's. Of course the MSM doesn't want you to see those numbers.

 

[Oh Ess You]

Interested to know your thoughts on Sweden and their approach to the chinese flu? They didn't require masking, no economic shutdowns, schools went on with in person learning etc., they are currently often experiencing 0 deaths on their 7 day rolling average. Seems they had this figured out going in.

Second, recently had some blood work done my antibody load from chinese flu infection last November was 318.6 AU/ml SARS CoV-2 IgG Spike INdex (had to have a physician explain this to me) . Physician friend of mine told me that the number indicates a high active antibody load to chinese flu, more than a shot could ever give. Why would I want to get a shot?

Sweden 1400 deaths per million. Denmark 400.