AG Barr on Trump’s emergency declaration re: border
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Impeachment proceedings against Barr begin in 3...2...1...
Can you imagine the shrieks, howls and gnashing of teeth we will be witness to if Barr decides to go after any of Comey, McCabe, Hildebitch, Strzok and the rest?
I have no idea if Barr’s legal assessment is correct, I suppose we’ll have to leave it to the Supreme Court to decide. But I do think it is very concerning that ANY president has been given such authority to act so independently, to behave as a supreme commander in contravention of the interests of a free society.
congress could make an effort to secure our southern border
but congress can’t get much done less kavanaugh hearings
It's legal. I've showed you this before.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter34&edition=prelim
Congress empowered the president via legislation. That's totally legal and will be upheld by the Supreme Court. It shouldn't even make it that far.
Don't like it, elect legislators and a president who'll repeal it. Good luck with that.
And this is where libertarianism and Constiturionslism aren’t always synonymous. I can agree with your concerns but it does in fact appear to be Constitutional and I’m ok with that.
It’s crazy the president has the authority to protect the country. Just plain crazy.
To those that have replied to my comment, I would advise that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Trump is unilaterally employing a legal tactic granted to him by a subservient legislature to achieve a goal with which you agree, even though the cowardly legislature opposes the tactic. When the next Democrat president utilizes the same tactic toward a goal with which you flatly decry you will be in no position to complain.
Thanks, Dad. You can even tell us you told us so.
It's already been done. Many times before. You didn't see us up in arms about the fate of the democracy when it was used prior. I didn't hear you doing it either. And I'm not sure if I fully agree with Trump using it this time. But I do fully agree that it is totally legal and constitutional; and in no way a threat to the democratic process or an usurpation of power..
What would you expect him to say? If he did not agree he would be gone too, just like others who do not bow down to Bozo.
Oh right right right William Barr is trying to save his job. Yea that’s probably what’s happening here.
All those sheriffs are saving their presidentially appointed jobs. And former heads of ICE and border patrol, they are trying to save their jobs they no longer have right?
Knoblock I get the bozo routine and trying to disparage a conservative agenda, but it really comes off as a child throwing popcorn at a sporting event. How long do you think it will entertain you? Can you actually engage or are you just a student of the local liberals here?
Yep, they are trying to save their jobs. Can't say I blame them.
Would you rather I call him Biff and throw a shoe?
To those who have responded to my last comment:
I am well aware of previous president’s uses of emergency decrees. I disagree that a legislature would create a law that gives one person such power over the rest of us. IMO it is something that should never have been done.
Some of you have rationalized that it’s OK this time because the precedent has been set, and previous uses have been far less “important,” that this time it’s a real emergency.
What I think you are missing is the easy nonchalant ratcheting up is a warning for consequences in the future. This tactic has been rejected by a consensus of our elected representatives and is being summarily ignored by the administration. Alarm bells should be ringing in your ears!
I understand you think it is OK because other presidents have done it, and Obama did it so turn-about is fair play. Our friends on the Democrat side of the aisle are patiently awaiting to have their turn to ratchet up presidential power even more.
Turning presidential power into dictatorial power is a real possibility. This is not a left vs right issue. Both sides are quite content with what is happening. We the people seem to be clamoring to lose our independence and liberty. Members of the state will be equally willing to take it from us. We have been warned to remain eternally vigikant. I fear we are ignoring all the warning signs.
I am well aware of previous president’s uses of emergency decrees. I disagree that a legislature would create a law that gives one person such power over the rest of us. IMO it is something that should never have been done.
Some of you have rationalized that it’s OK this time because the precedent has been set, and previous uses have been far less “important,” that this time it’s a real emergency.
What I think you are missing is the easy nonchalant ratcheting up is a warning for consequences in the future. This tactic has been rejected by a consensus of our elected representatives and is being summarily ignored by the administration. Alarm bells should be ringing in your ears!
I understand you think it is OK because other presidents have done it, and Obama did it so turn-about is fair play. Our friends on the Democrat side of the aisle are patiently awaiting to have their turn to ratchet up presidential power even more.
Turning presidential power into dictatorial power is a real possibility. This is not a left vs right issue. Both sides are quite content with what is happening. We the people seem to be clamoring to lose our independence and liberty. Members of the state will be equally willing to take it from us. We have been warned to remain eternally vigikant. I fear we are ignoring all the warning signs.
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This is true. The southern border has been an issue for a long time and our do nothing Congress and previous do nothing Presidents have done nothing. Trump is doing something. The elected Congress has had years to get off their ass. Obama didn't do it because he was just as open border supporting as the blowhards in Congress. It's well past time to move on without them.
Move on beyond our elected representatives? Let one man decide what to do in spite of the clear objections of those we have chosen to check his power?
I understand your frustration with the perceived crisis. But to ignore the potential consequences of tyrannical power is not the answer. You are being lured into a trap from which it will be nigh impossible to escape.
The left and apparently Ponca dan just expect republican roll over at this point and why wouldn’t they? Look at Romney and his dirty dozen voting with libs in order to keep the status quo. Sickening, but finally we have a repub in the White House and so far enough in congress to use their moral compass to stop all illegal and secret entrances and have law and order on the border. I’ll believe it when I see it but watching Jeb! bend over or god forbid hillary’s Potential border plan is a nightmare that luckily we avoided.
Here’s a hypothetical. Fifteen years from now President AOC rules that in the name of protecting us from the clear emergency of global warming no automobiles will be allowed to operate in the US. Only public transportation will be permitted. She has decreed that global warming is an absolute crisis and as previous presidents have done she is using her executive authority to outlaw automobiles as the only sure way of combating it. You will surely squeal that it's outrageous, but sys will applaud the move and tell you to live with it. Is that an outlandish hypothetical? Maybe, maybe not. It is not impossible for a democracy to turn into a dictatorship. Honoring a “strong leader that is standing up to our do-nothing representatives” is a sure way to kiss our freedom goodbye.
True, of course. I deduce your argument is that if something is legal then one cannot argue against it. That’s a slipper slope, Medic.
Here in reality land the left is pushing their agenda down our throats already. No matter what trump does president AOC will do as she pleases. Playing nice time is over. It makes zero sense not to do what can be done for conservative principles when the opportunity presents itself.
The only part that gets me is you and the other nut bars get to share the safety and protection that a secure border provides. You don’t deserve it.
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Huh? Thanks for the lectures, but no, my point is that Congress has done nothing to secure the southern border, Trump declared a national emergency to do something to begin to secure the border, Congress tried to block it, and Trump vetoed the legislation. At this point, Congress can override Trump's veto and there are legal challenges underway. I think you've been huffing too much leftist narrative on this deal and are thinking with nothing but emotion. This is exactly the way checks and balances are supposed to work, Dan.
Some of us actually appreciate someone finally taking action about the border. I know in your fantasy world these migrants are arriving well prepared to take care of themselves without even a penny of our tax dollars required. Since that isn't actually what reality looks like, it's time to enforce our immigration laws and take steps to reduce the influx of illegal aliens from the southern border. Congress can get off their asses and make sorely needed changes to our immigration laws but instead they spend their time squabbling over meaningless resolutions to condemn hate. And that's what I mean by it's time to move on. I expect the President to do his job even if Congress isn't willing to do theirs.
As you know, The Kenyan Goat Herder pretended to be for tougher boarder security before he wasn’t.
Obviously Congress does not agree with the Trumpster at this point. Got any more info? Vetoing ?
Why did you get bounced from tMB recently? Told tMB you would be fun.
Congress doesn’t have to agree. As soon as 2/3 of them want to override the veto they can.
I’m too much to handle for onesmad I guess.
Barr doesn’t give a shit about advancing or preserving his career. You are way smarter than this post.
Take back my comment about Barr Mega. You are correct. And you know I think The Russia investigation is stupid. Be interesting to see how Barr comes down on this. More comments about McCain are uncalled for though.
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AOC may or may not become President. If so, and if what you describe (and every democrat and MSM commentator repeats) occurs hopefully Trump has packed the courts with sufficient judges to shut her down like the liberal judges have done with Trump. Of course, like Obama, she could ignore the courts. Besides, AOC has already mandated the world will end in 12 years thus an irrelevant scare tactic.
The Congress gave the President this law in 1977 +/- and it has been used by other Presidents of both parties. If the Congress doesn't like its use then repeal it. That's the proper course of action.
Mccain participated in trying to ruin trumps life. If someone did that to you and they died you would probably just take the high road?
