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Medic007 said:
The Islamic religion is very oppressive when practiced in the strict interpretation. Not all Muslims are oppressive or oppressed.
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Completely reasonable, but again is who on the left is defending Islam from that?
 
07pilt said:
After this long ass windup the payoff better be amazing
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Lengthy, but here's the payoff....

For whatever reason the Left probes, posits, and ultimately defines in the public arena what comprises "societal progress." Often a notion of progress is debated and rejected, but it sometimes moves forward. If it comes to pass (generally requiring a majority of approval, the Roe vs Wade decision aside), then the majority of folks, straddling political ideology, nod their head in agreement.

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You may say that the creativity of the Left, in aggregate, makes for better vision as to what might make up progress. Conversely, it is wise to acknowledge that they don't have much accuracy in the endeavor. Many ideas die on the vine, and the failures generally aren't spoken about. Leftist authoritarian regimes are run from by Progressives attempting to distance themselves from more traditional Big Government leftists.

In its haste for progress, Progressivism has made a best for itself where it isn't forced to learn from the previously rejected traditional Leftist arguments. A prime example of this is in the growing embrace by young progressives of authoritarian policies. Not even traditional leftists (@Medic007 and others) do that...it does not equate to progress.

So, here we are, reinventing the wheel of free speech, the right to bear arms, what is appropriate electoral representation, the task of a President (enforce vs not enforce laws), etc.

With the Relative Strength of the aggregate personality trait Openness allowing for the creativity that gives the Left some of its vision, so too does its Relative Weakness in other traits, in the aggregate, create a gaping blind spot for ignorance, and thus possible arrogance.

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The other half of this equation, showing where Leftists are incorrect in believing that all progress comes from the left, goes back to the original paragraph... the Left publicly defines what 'societal progress' is.

The issue may be a component of the aforementioned arrogance, it may be lack of experience (leftists tend to be younger), or something else...certainly some of it is the push of PostModernistic thought within Progressivism, which attempts to speak into existence a new power structure (its why we hear the word 'construct' so frequently now) where hierarchy is rejected, as is often times, merit based distinction among individuals.

While in aggregate folks on the left may have more creativity, probing society into areas where progress might be found and providing a 30,000 for idea for what it looks like, it is folks on the right who aggregately score higher in Conscientiousness, the trait that makes stuff go...and that optimize systems once a framework is known. In literature subtraits of conscientiousness are Orderliness and Industriousness.

Firstly, the Left doesn't speak recognition to dutifulness, orderliness, or industriousness as 'societal progress,' yet the continued enhancing of existing structures is largely driven by the right. These all enhance the quality of life of every person in some fashion, creating a bigger pie. Leftist, in general, may have tested and provided direction, but rightists, in general, are the proverbial horse from Animal Farm, providing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Lack of recognition aside (believe it or not, many on the right simply want to be left alone to do their business and live their lives), contemporary Progressivism speaks ill of these traits. It advocates to undermine the natural hierarchies that are created when measurements between outputs and distinctions between inputs are made and ranked. How else is optimization to occur (from a rightists perspective)?

Progressivism has hijacked the traditional Leftist treaties of vision and probing that literally did a ton of good in the past century. The hijack comes from conflating progress in newly fashinable arenas of "constructed" sociology in order to flatten hierarchies into nothingness (inputs and outputs don't or shouldn't matter), while ignoring real science when needed.

In quick conclusion, and this has been far from exhaustive, the lack of appreciation in acknowledging 'societal progress' provided by the right from the Left is forgivable. Most of us don't need it... the traits propelling us are simply how we are wired. But we see that lack of appreciation every day and in this very thread by no less than 2 posters, Twinkie enthusiasts @CSCOTTOSUPOKES and @davidallen . Fortunately, right leaners generally don't give a sh*t.

What is NOT forgivable is the attempt to undermine systems of distinction by modern Progressives. Those on the right (again, in aggregate) have a measurably stronger internal locus of control, thus much of our identity is tied to accomplishment. To preach the flattening of merit identifying systems is to declare war on our fundental wiring.

It's why Trump was elected, it's why Jordan Peterson has a massive audience, it's why those with this certain dominant personality trait are begrudgingly becoming socially active, and it's why ultimately, Progressivism will either fall by the wayside (in favor of @Medic007 and his bretheren) or future elected Progressives will sow the seeds that will inevitably lead to mass conflict..... because you can't change our wiring.
 
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CBradSmith said:
Lengthy, but here's the payoff....

For whatever reason the Left probes, posits, and ultimately defines in the public arena what comprises "societal progress." Often a notion of progress is debated and rejected, but it sometimes moves forward. If it comes to pass (generally requiring a majority of approval, the Roe vs Wade decision aside), then the majority of folks, straddling political ideology, nod their head in agreement.

I. --------------------------------------------------------------
You may say that the creativity of the Left, in aggregate, makes for better vision as to what might make up progress. Conversely, it is wise to acknowledge that they don't have much accuracy in the endeavor. Many ideas die on the vine, and the failures generally aren't spoken about. Leftist authoritarian regimes are run from by Progressives attempting to distance themselves from more traditional Big Government leftists.

In its haste for progress, Progressivism has made a best for itself where it isn't forced to learn from the previously rejected traditional Leftist arguments. A prime example of this is in the growing embrace by young progressives of authoritarian policies. Not even traditional leftists (@Medic007 and others) do that...it does not equate to progress.

So, here we are, reinventing the wheel of free speech, the right to bear arms, what is appropriate electoral representation, the task of a President (enforce vs not enforce laws), etc.

With the Relative Strength of the aggregate personality trait Openness allowing for the creativity that gives the Left some of its vision, so too does its Relative Weakness in other traits, in the aggregate, create a gaping blind spot for ignorance, and thus possible arrogance.

II. -------------------------------------------------------------
The other half of this equation, showing where Leftists are incorrect in believing that all progress comes from the left, goes back to the original paragraph... the Left publicly defines what 'societal progress' is.

The issue may be a component of the aforementioned arrogance, it may be lack of experience (leftists tend to be younger), or something else...certainly some of it is the push of PostModernistic thought within Progressivism, which attempts to speak into existence a new power structure (its why we hear the word 'construct' so frequently now) where hierarchy is rejected, as is often times, merit based distinction among individuals.

While in aggregate folks on the left may have more creativity, probing society into areas where progress might be found and providing a 30,000 for idea for what it looks like, it is folks on the right who aggregately score higher in Conscientiousness, the trait that makes stuff go...and that optimize systems once a framework is known. In literature subtraits of conscientiousness are Orderliness and Industriousness.

Firstly, the Left doesn't speak recognition to dutifulness, orderliness, or industriousness as 'societal progress,' yet the continued enhancing of existing structures is largely driven by the right. These all enhance the quality of life of every person in some fashion, creating a bigger pie. Leftist, in general, may have tested and provided direction, but rightists, in general, are the proverbial horse from Animal Farm, providing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Lack of recognition aside (believe it or not, many on the right simply want to be left alone to do their business and live their lives), contemporary Progressivism speaks ill of these traits. It advocates to undermine the natural hierarchies that are created when measurements between outputs and distinctions between inputs are made and ranked. How else is optimization to occur (from a rightists perspective)?

Progressivism has hijacked the traditional Leftist treaties of vision and probing that literally did a ton of good in the past century. The hijack comes from conflating progress in newly fashinable arenas of "constructed" sociology in order to flatten hierarchies into nothingness (inputs and outputs don't or shouldn't matter), while ignoring real science when needed.

In quick conclusion, and this has been far from exhaustive, the lack of appreciation in acknowledging 'societal progress' provided by the right from the Left is forgivable. Most of us don't need it... the traits propelling us are simply how we are wired. But we see that lack of appreciation every day and in this very thread by no less than 2 posters, Twinkie enthusiasts @CSCOTTOSUPOKES and @davidallen . Fortunately, right leaners generally don't give a sh*t.

What is NOT forgivable is the attempt to undermine systems of distinction by modern Progressives. Those on the right (again, in aggregate) have a measurably stronger internal locus of control, thus much of our identity is tied to accomplishment. To preach the flattening of merit identifying systems is to declare war on our fundental wiring.

It's why Trump was elected, it's why Jordan Peterson has a massive audience, it's why those with this certain dominant personality trait are begrudgingly becoming socially active, and it's why ultimately, Progressivism will either fall by the wayside (in favor of @Medic007 and his bretheren) or future elected Progressives will sow the seeds that will inevitably lead to mass conflict..... because you can't change our wiring.
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Still zero examples of the rights’ societal progress.
 
CBradSmith said:
Lengthy, but here's the payoff....

For whatever reason the Left probes, posits, and ultimately defines in the public arena what comprises "societal progress." Often a notion of progress is debated and rejected, but it sometimes moves forward. If it comes to pass (generally requiring a majority of approval, the Roe vs Wade decision aside), then the majority of folks, straddling political ideology, nod their head in agreement.

I. --------------------------------------------------------------
You may say that the creativity of the Left, in aggregate, makes for better vision as to what might make up progress. Conversely, it is wise to acknowledge that they don't have much accuracy in the endeavor. Many ideas die on the vine, and the failures generally aren't spoken about. Leftist authoritarian regimes are run from by Progressives attempting to distance themselves from more traditional Big Government leftists.

In its haste for progress, Progressivism has made a best for itself where it isn't forced to learn from the previously rejected traditional Leftist arguments. A prime example of this is in the growing embrace by young progressives of authoritarian policies. Not even traditional leftists (@Medic007 and others) do that...it does not equate to progress.

So, here we are, reinventing the wheel of free speech, the right to bear arms, what is appropriate electoral representation, the task of a President (enforce vs not enforce laws), etc.

With the Relative Strength of the aggregate personality trait Openness allowing for the creativity that gives the Left some of its vision, so too does its Relative Weakness in other traits, in the aggregate, create a gaping blind spot for ignorance, and thus possible arrogance.

II. -------------------------------------------------------------
The other half of this equation, showing where Leftists are incorrect in believing that all progress comes from the left, goes back to the original paragraph... the Left publicly defines what 'societal progress' is.

The issue may be a component of the aforementioned arrogance, it may be lack of experience (leftists tend to be younger), or something else...certainly some of it is the push of PostModernistic thought within Progressivism, which attempts to speak into existence a new power structure (its why we hear the word 'construct' so frequently now) where hierarchy is rejected, as is often times, merit based distinction among individuals.

While in aggregate folks on the left may have more creativity, probing society into areas where progress might be found and providing a 30,000 for idea for what it looks like, it is folks on the right who aggregately score higher in Conscientiousness, the trait that makes stuff go...and that optimize systems once a framework is known. In literature subtraits of conscientiousness are Orderliness and Industriousness.

Firstly, the Left doesn't speak recognition to dutifulness, orderliness, or industriousness as 'societal progress,' yet the continued enhancing of existing structures is largely driven by the right. These all enhance the quality of life of every person in some fashion, creating a bigger pie. Leftist, in general, may have tested and provided direction, but rightists, in general, are the proverbial horse from Animal Farm, providing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Lack of recognition aside (believe it or not, many on the right simply want to be left alone to do their business and live their lives), contemporary Progressivism speaks ill of these traits. It advocates to undermine the natural hierarchies that are created when measurements between outputs and distinctions between inputs are made and ranked. How else is optimization to occur (from a rightists perspective)?

Progressivism has hijacked the traditional Leftist treaties of vision and probing that literally did a ton of good in the past century. The hijack comes from conflating progress in newly fashinable arenas of "constructed" sociology in order to flatten hierarchies into nothingness (inputs and outputs don't or shouldn't matter), while ignoring real science when needed.

In quick conclusion, and this has been far from exhaustive, the lack of appreciation in acknowledging 'societal progress' provided by the right from the Left is forgivable. Most of us don't need it... the traits propelling us are simply how we are wired. But we see that lack of appreciation every day and in this very thread by no less than 2 posters, Twinkie enthusiasts @CSCOTTOSUPOKES and @davidallen . Fortunately, right leaners generally don't give a sh*t.

What is NOT forgivable is the attempt to undermine systems of distinction by modern Progressives. Those on the right (again, in aggregate) have a measurably stronger internal locus of control, thus much of our identity is tied to accomplishment. To preach the flattening of merit identifying systems is to declare war on our fundental wiring.

It's why Trump was elected, it's why Jordan Peterson has a massive audience, it's why those with this certain dominant personality trait are begrudgingly becoming socially active, and it's why ultimately, Progressivism will either fall by the wayside (in favor of @Medic007 and his bretheren) or future elected Progressives will sow the seeds that will inevitably lead to mass conflict..... because you can't change our wiring.
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A lot of words to basically say "the right provides the stable base upon which the left operates"... I'll give you one. Anything else you want to credit to the right?

And BTW - anytime you want to compare wiring I am happy to. Your theory that drive, ambition and success correlate exclusively to those who think like you do is arrogant and not consistent with the facts.
 
davidallen said:
A lot of words to basically say "the right provides the stable base upon which the left operates"... I'll give you one. Anything else you want to credit to the right?

And BTW - anytime you want to compare wiring I am happy to. Your theory that drive, ambition and success correlate exclusively to those who think like you do is arrogant and not consistent with the facts.
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You're putting words in my mouth. And you know it, if you read what I wrote. But you're operating from a position of weakness, so that's to be expected.
 
CBradSmith said:
Lengthy, but here's the payoff....

For whatever reason the Left probes, posits, and ultimately defines in the public arena what comprises "societal progress." Often a notion of progress is debated and rejected, but it sometimes moves forward. If it comes to pass (generally requiring a majority of approval, the Roe vs Wade decision aside), then the majority of folks, straddling political ideology, nod their head in agreement.

I. --------------------------------------------------------------
You may say that the creativity of the Left, in aggregate, makes for better vision as to what might make up progress. Conversely, it is wise to acknowledge that they don't have much accuracy in the endeavor. Many ideas die on the vine, and the failures generally aren't spoken about. Leftist authoritarian regimes are run from by Progressives attempting to distance themselves from more traditional Big Government leftists.

In its haste for progress, Progressivism has made a best for itself where it isn't forced to learn from the previously rejected traditional Leftist arguments. A prime example of this is in the growing embrace by young progressives of authoritarian policies. Not even traditional leftists (@Medic007 and others) do that...it does not equate to progress.

So, here we are, reinventing the wheel of free speech, the right to bear arms, what is appropriate electoral representation, the task of a President (enforce vs not enforce laws), etc.

With the Relative Strength of the aggregate personality trait Openness allowing for the creativity that gives the Left some of its vision, so too does its Relative Weakness in other traits, in the aggregate, create a gaping blind spot for ignorance, and thus possible arrogance.

II. -------------------------------------------------------------
The other half of this equation, showing where Leftists are incorrect in believing that all progress comes from the left, goes back to the original paragraph... the Left publicly defines what 'societal progress' is.

The issue may be a component of the aforementioned arrogance, it may be lack of experience (leftists tend to be younger), or something else...certainly some of it is the push of PostModernistic thought within Progressivism, which attempts to speak into existence a new power structure (its why we hear the word 'construct' so frequently now) where hierarchy is rejected, as is often times, merit based distinction among individuals.

While in aggregate folks on the left may have more creativity, probing society into areas where progress might be found and providing a 30,000 for idea for what it looks like, it is folks on the right who aggregately score higher in Conscientiousness, the trait that makes stuff go...and that optimize systems once a framework is known. In literature subtraits of conscientiousness are Orderliness and Industriousness.

Firstly, the Left doesn't speak recognition to dutifulness, orderliness, or industriousness as 'societal progress,' yet the continued enhancing of existing structures is largely driven by the right. These all enhance the quality of life of every person in some fashion, creating a bigger pie. Leftist, in general, may have tested and provided direction, but rightists, in general, are the proverbial horse from Animal Farm, providing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Lack of recognition aside (believe it or not, many on the right simply want to be left alone to do their business and live their lives), contemporary Progressivism speaks ill of these traits. It advocates to undermine the natural hierarchies that are created when measurements between outputs and distinctions between inputs are made and ranked. How else is optimization to occur (from a rightists perspective)?

Progressivism has hijacked the traditional Leftist treaties of vision and probing that literally did a ton of good in the past century. The hijack comes from conflating progress in newly fashinable arenas of "constructed" sociology in order to flatten hierarchies into nothingness (inputs and outputs don't or shouldn't matter), while ignoring real science when needed.

In quick conclusion, and this has been far from exhaustive, the lack of appreciation in acknowledging 'societal progress' provided by the right from the Left is forgivable. Most of us don't need it... the traits propelling us are simply how we are wired. But we see that lack of appreciation every day and in this very thread by no less than 2 posters, Twinkie enthusiasts @CSCOTTOSUPOKES and @davidallen . Fortunately, right leaners generally don't give a sh*t.

What is NOT forgivable is the attempt to undermine systems of distinction by modern Progressives. Those on the right (again, in aggregate) have a measurably stronger internal locus of control, thus much of our identity is tied to accomplishment. To preach the flattening of merit identifying systems is to declare war on our fundental wiring.

It's why Trump was elected, it's why Jordan Peterson has a massive audience, it's why those with this certain dominant personality trait are begrudgingly becoming socially active, and it's why ultimately, Progressivism will either fall by the wayside (in favor of @Medic007 and his bretheren) or future elected Progressives will sow the seeds that will inevitably lead to mass conflict..... because you can't change our wiring.
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I'll tell you something that you probably already know, you aren't a very clear writer (pot calling the kettle black I know, but it takes one to know one), but maybe you have a kernel of truth here. I'll help you workshop it. Lets start with defining some terms: Left/leftist, Progressives/Progressivism, the Right.
 
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CBradSmith said:
You're putting words in my mouth. And you know it, if you read what I wrote. But you're operating from a position of weakness, so that's to be expected.
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Weakness...as in scared to death of giving actual examples of conservatism’s societal progressions.

Cmon, Brad. Step up to the plate. You did nothing in your monologue. Let’s see it, weakling.
 
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Let me help you guys out a bit...

The Catholic Church, the worlds largest charitable organization, has invested treasury and blood to educate people in impoverished nations globally. The largely traditional/right leaning Church has advanced society in the process.

Telling that you got nothing on this topic...
 
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davidallen said:
So an example is super easy then?
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We'll do this as a pie chart titled "Contributions to Society by Political Leaning."

Think of all the things that you, dear David, define as 'societal progress,' most often understood as nice leaps forward. Throw in the majority of art, say, 66-33%, and nearly all hair stylists.

You've got a slice making up, say, 15% of the pie.

Now split the rest about 75-25.

There you go.
 
CBradSmith said:
We'll do this as a pie chart titled "Contributions to Society by Political Leaning."

Think of all the things that you, dear David, define as 'societal progress,' most often understood as nice leaps forward. Throw in the majority of art, say, 66-33%, and nearly all hair stylists.

You've got a slice making up, say, 15% of the pie.

Now split the rest about 75-25.

There you go.
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Come on man. You're smarter than this. I know you are. You are so defensive here that you aren't thinking straight.
 
davidallen said:
Come on man. You're smarter than this. I know you are. You are so defensive here that you aren't thinking straight.
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It's impressive that both you and Clinton, after being called on your blindspots, persist.

I can admit the contributions of the left. I acknowledge your 'meh' toward the contributions of right-of-center, but hypothesize that your own self worth is tied too intrinsically yo the virtue you believe you live.

Thusly, you come to your evaluation with an answer already in mind.
 
Bitter Creek said:
I'm still waiting to hear if you don't think that our country has a conservative history or you don't believe that our country has done a lot for humanity
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Do a little reading. Maybe search SERF Index. Might help you move the discussion forward rather than focusing on your little straw man.
 
CBradSmith said:
It's impressive that both you and Clinton, after being called on your blindspots, persist.

I can admit the contributions of the left. I acknowledge your 'meh' toward the contributions of right-of-center, but hypothesize that your own self worth is tied too intrinsically yo the virtue you believe you live.

Thusly, you come to your evaluation with an answer already in mind.
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No. Not really. See the example I just provided. Can you provide even one?
 
CBradSmith said:
It's impressive that both you and Clinton, after being called on your blindspots, persist.

I can admit the contributions of the left. I acknowledge your 'meh' toward the contributions of right-of-center, but hypothesize that your own self worth is tied too intrinsically yo the virtue you believe you live.

Thusly, you come to your evaluation with an answer already in mind.
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3 examples...not hard. Quit being a defensive little baby and step up haha
 
CBradSmith said:
It's impressive that both you and Clinton, after being called on your blindspots, persist.

I can admit the contributions of the left. I acknowledge your 'meh' toward the contributions of right-of-center, but hypothesize that your own self worth is tied too intrinsically yo the virtue you believe you live.

Thusly, you come to your evaluation with an answer already in mind.
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"Thusly" - a tip, this doesn't make you look smart. It makes you appear defensive.
 
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Bitter Creek said:
I'm still waiting to hear if you don't think that our country has a conservative history or you don't believe that our country has done a lot for humanity
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I’m still waiting to hear 3 examples of how conservatism has advanced the country. Hell, Dave gave you the Catholic Church lol you only need 2 more.
 
Bitter Creek said:
How about pushing for the first public schools... err, those were the Puritans.

Kicking the shit out of Nazi Germany?

Regan getting the wall torn down
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Breakthrough!!!!!!

Not sure Reagan tore anything down, but a breakthrough none the less. Plenty to discuss on these three items, but why was that so hard?
 
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How about pushing for the first public schools... err, those were the Puritans.

Kicking the shit out of Nazi Germany?

Regan getting the wall torn down
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Which party do you think

1) Hitler
2) Today’s Nazis

Would vote for?


Lol...can’t wait for this BS response.
 
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