roe v wade, will it move the needle in the flyover states?

[rmdelta1]

asking for a friend. not sure this will cause the great unwashed to rally around pedo joe. it could increase the voter turnout in cali, illinoise, jerzy, and ny, but the gop wasn't gonna carry any of those commucrat states. what do you think? how long will this story have legs? when will people get bored/mad about inflation, immigration, crime, bla bla bla.

telling us to look over here at abortion being overturned? eventually we will have to buy food or gas and the abortion issue will be fading in the rear view mirror.

thanks ruth bader g'berg. your ego cost the dem's the supreme court. and you dem's could have codified roe anytime for the last 50 yrs, but you didn't. nice job dumbasses.

 

[Ponca Dan]

asking for a friend. not sure this will cause the great unwashed to rally around pedo joe. it could increase the voter turnout in cali, illinoise, jerzy, and ny, but the gop wasn't gonna carry any of those commucrat states. what do you think? how long will this story have legs? when will people get bored/mad about inflation, immigration, crime, bla bla bla.

telling us to look over here at abortion being overturned? eventually we will have to buy food or gas and the abortion issue will be fading in the rear view mirror.

thanks ruth bader g'berg. your ego cost the dem's the supreme court. and you dem's could have codified roe anytime for the last 50 yrs, but you didn't. nice job dumbasses.

If my wife and daughter are any indication I would say yes, it might.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Think about it, who would make abortion the deciding factor in their vote? They were never going to vote Republican under any circumstance.

 

[thetruth]

If my wife and daughter are any indication I would say yes, it might.

So your wife and daughter are in favor of murder. OK, count me out of their world.

 

[Ponca Dan]

So your wife and daughter are in favor of murder. OK, count me out of their world.

It's complicated. Both are vehemently anti-abortion but neither want the government interfering in personal decisions. I suspect there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

 

[aix_xpert]

It's complicated. Both are vehemently anti-abortion but neither want the government interfering in personal decisions. I suspect there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

Just ask them two questions: At what point does a fetus gain the "right" to live? If you are radical lib, the answer is "once the cord is cut". If you are staunch Christian, your answer is "at conception". Or like many of us, your answer is in between. The second question to ask: From that point, do you believe the government should protect that fetus/child? Its not about Women's (aka birthing people) rights. Its about at what point the child/fetus deserves reasonable protection by the state.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

It's complicated. Both are vehemently anti-abortion but neither want the government interfering in personal decisions. I suspect there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

On what grounds are they anti-abortion? Because it destroys a human life? If that is the case, then they are both as philosophically empty as my_2baizuos. If you think the mother should have the right to kill the unborn child, then you clearly don’t consider that child to be human.

 

[Ponca Dan]

On what grounds are they anti-abortion? Because it destroys a human life? If that is the case, then they are both as philosophically empty as my_2baizuos. If you think the mother should have the right to kill the unborn child, then you clearly don’t consider that child to be human.

If you think I’m going to get into a philosophical debate with the two women most important in my life you’re batty!

 

[inspoke]

It's complicated. Both are vehemently anti-abortion but neither want the government interfering in personal decisions. I suspect there are a lot of people that feel the same way.

So how do they feel about gun control?

 

[aix_xpert]

If you think I’m going to get into a philosophical debate with the two women most important in my life you’re batty!

I wasn't asking for you to debate them. I just recommended that you rephrase the question from the perspective of the child/fetus and make them answer it for themselves.

 

[aix_xpert]

asking for a friend. not sure this will cause the great unwashed to rally around pedo joe. it could increase the voter turnout in cali, illinoise, jerzy, and ny, but the gop wasn't gonna carry any of those commucrat states. what do you think? how long will this story have legs? when will people get bored/mad about inflation, immigration, crime, bla bla bla.

telling us to look over here at abortion being overturned? eventually we will have to buy food or gas and the abortion issue will be fading in the rear view mirror.

thanks ruth bader g'berg. your ego cost the dem's the supreme court. and you dem's could have codified roe anytime for the last 50 yrs, but you didn't. nice job dumbasses.

I don't. These are the same individuals who elected the state representatives and governors in those various states that are enacting the strict abortion laws.

Edit: Reading about the various protests and such planned, it could actually even backfire on Dems. If those protests turn violent (would you be surprised?) you could turn off a large number of the political middle that doesn't really have a dog in that hunt.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I wasn't asking for you to debate them. I just recommended that you rephrase the question from the perspective of the child/fetus and make them answer it for themselves.

I appreciate the advice, but I’m staying as far away from them as I can get regarding this subject. I’m just saying I think there are more people than you might suspect that feel the same way as they do.

 

[aix_xpert]

I appreciate the advice, but I’m staying as far away from them as I can get regarding this subject. I’m just saying I think there are more people than you might suspect that feel the same way as they do.

Interesting. My wife believes like your family does that the government shouldn't be involved, and so I asked her those questions. It wasn't about her answer (which for the record was sometime after the first trimester) but just the consideration of the other side. Rights always have 2 sides to them and it just ensures that individuals think of the issue from both lenses.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Interesting. My wife believes like your family does that the government shouldn't be involved, and so I asked her those questions. It wasn't about her answer (which for the record was sometime after the first trimester) but just the consideration of the other side. Rights always have 2 sides to them and it just ensures that individuals think of the issue from both lenses.

I have long maintained that the two subjects most likely to embroil the country in civil war are abortion and gun rights. This has been an interesting day.

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Interesting. My wife believes like your family does that the government shouldn't be involved, and so I asked her those questions. It wasn't about her answer (which for the record was sometime after the first trimester) but just the consideration of the other side. Rights always have 2 sides to them and it just ensures that individuals think of the issue from both lenses.

Sorry if I’m misreading, but it sounds like her position is grounded in emotion rather than science or reason. The unborn baby isn’t really a baby until they have their cute little baby bump, and they can have their registry, showers, gender reveal parties, etc. Basically, life begins when they can start posting stuff on Facebook and instagram. 🙄

 

[2012Bearcat]

If you think I’m going to get into a philosophical debate with the two women most important in my life you’re batty!

Well we now know who wears the pants in your family. 😀

 

[Ponca Dan]

Well we now know who wears the pants in your family. 😀

Yes, we do!

 

[aix_xpert]

Sorry if I’m misreading, but it sounds like her position is grounded in emotion rather than science or reason. The unborn baby isn’t really a baby until they have their cute little baby bump, and they can have their registry, showers, gender reveal parties, etc. Basically, life begins when they can start posting stuff on Facebook and instagram. 🙄

Nice try, but wrong. Like me, she sees the 15-20 weeks as the viability marker. As well as at that point, its unlikely that you don't know you are pregnant. And she does raise an interesting counter point. While she understands the premise that the baby is a life, what right does the government have to force a woman to carry it to term. And if they can force a woman to do so, why can't they force you to take a shot or donate an organ or do any other thing with your body?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Nice try, but wrong. Like me, she sees the 15-20 weeks as the viability marker. As well as at that point, its unlikely that you don't know you are pregnant. And she does raise an interesting counter point. While she understands the premise that the baby is a life, what right does the government have to force a woman to carry it to term. And if they can force a woman to do so, why can't they force you to take a shot or donate an organ or do any other thing with your body?

Because life starts at some point, and the COTUS does not define it, therefore it is left to the states.

Your post kind of makes my point - it’s not really a baby until they “feel pregnant”.

The conception argument, when we have a unique DNA structure, is much more grounded in science and reason.

 

[2012Bearcat]

The fact science has shown that a unborn baby can feel pain at 12 weeks should make even the most self entitled woman think twice. Would you want to be ripped apart limb by limb feeling the excruciating pain the entire time?

New Study Shows Unborn Babies Feel Pain at 12 Weeks - Lozier Institute

“Science Again Points to the Humanity of the Unborn.” Washington, D.C. – A new study “Reconsidering Fetal Pain” confirms that babies in the womb can feel pain as early as 12 weeks old. Writing in the Journal of Medical Ethics, Stuart W.G. Derbyshire and John C. Bockmann state: “Overall, the...

lozierinstitute.org

 

[JimmyBob]

Well we now know who wears the pants in your family. 😀

Uh, hate to disagree, but I think "fear and common sense" are better descriptors.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Simple question folks. Do we really want the inept and illegal breeding? Think about it.

 

[AC2020]

Public education's social engineering investment has twisted many minds in this thread.

 

[aix_xpert]

Because life starts at some point, and the COTUS does not define it, therefore it is left to the states.

Your post kind of makes my point - it’s not really a baby until they “feel pregnant”.

The conception argument, when we have a unique DNA structure, is much more grounded in science and reason.

Even though its a life, does the government have the right to force a woman to carry a non-viable baby to term?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Even though its a life, does the government have the right to force a woman to carry a non-viable baby to term?

Hell yes!!!!!! If he’s a life, then he’s a person, and the government can ban the mother or anyone else from killing him.

 

[22LR]

Shhh. Don't tell the triggered bunch this. I remember the days before Roe vs. Wade. People were getting abortions.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Hell yes!!!!!! If he’s a life, then he’s a person, and the government can ban the mother or anyone else from killing him.

Sooooo…the inevitable psychological trauma, along with potential physiological trauma, of carrying a stillborn to birth is not enough to dissuade your thinking on this???


Carry on

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

Sooooo…the inevitable psychological trauma, along with potential physiological trauma, of carrying a stillborn to birth is not enough to dissuade your thinking on this???


Carry on

A stillborn by definition is already deceased, dumbass.

Carry on, pedoscott.

 

[Alpha Woke]

Sooooo…the inevitable psychological trauma, along with potential physiological trauma, of carrying a stillborn to birth is not enough to dissuade your thinking on this???


Carry on

How did your folks cope?

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

How did your folks cope?

BOOM!!!! 💥

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

A stillborn by definition is already deceased, dumbass.

Carry on, pedoscott.

And you believe forcing a woman to carry it to term is reasonable and logical.

“DumBasS”
“PeDo”



carry on

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

How did your folks cope?

I guess they were relieved when my eyes opened, huh?

 

[launch]

One fun thing we have to look forward to is in a month or two when large numbers of Americans realize that abortion is still legal and stop caring about the narrative being squealed on TV. 🤣

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

And you believe forcing a woman to carry it to term is reasonable and logical.

“DumBasS”
“PeDo”



carry on

No, and the discussion specifically referred to babies still alive, dumbass.

Carry on, pedoscott.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

No, and the discussion specifically referred to babies still alive, dumbass.

Carry on, pedoscott.

***still doesn’t understand the concept of nonviability***

 

[soonerinlOUisiana]

***still doesn’t understand the concept of nonviability***

Irrelevant. A friend of mine has a 21 year old daughter that was “non viable.” Your own viability at middle-age is questionable given your parental dependence.

You think you scored a “gotcha”, but the only gotcha is around here is Trump still gotcha by the pussy.

Carry on, pedoscott.

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

Irrelevant. A friend of mine has a 21 year old daughter that was “non viable.” Your own viability at middle-age is questionable given your parental dependence.

You think you scored a “gotcha”, but the only gotcha is around here is Trump still gotcha by the pussy.

Carry on, pedoscott.

What parental dependence???

 

[ClintonDavidScott]

One fun thing we have to look forward to is in a month or two when large numbers of Americans realize that abortion is still legal and stop caring about the narrative being squealed on TV. 🤣

Are you planning to help fund after-deadline Oklahoma rape victims’ travel expenses for them???

 

[launch]

Are you planning to help fund after-deadline Oklahoma rape victims’ travel expenses for them???

Why would I need to? Seems like an absurdly out of the normal outlier situation that has little to do with Roe V Wade 😂.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Sooooo…the inevitable psychological trauma, along with potential physiological trauma, of carrying a stillborn to birth is not enough to dissuade your thinking on this???


Carry on

My daughter had to carry both. Specialist performed a surgery on her twins in order to save the healthy twin and cut the blood supply off to the unviable twin. This was between 20 to 22 weeks. She had to carry and deliver both. So don’t give me that BS about carrying a still born. You leftist are a bunch of pussies.