I have read this week that some are giddy how we over performed and we are sitting in third - third. Says a lot.
Only thing that matters to me is the team title. Individual titles are great but it is about the team.
Would love to have seen Fix win, but maybe if he was wrestling for a team title, and wrestled for a more feared program which also means more confidence and swag, that might be enough of an edge to have won. How much value is it psychologically to know you are wrestling for the best program? I don’t blame Fix for losing, I blame the lack of commitment in the wrestling program to win. Wrestling against that PSU singlet mentally is tough, that use to be OSU.
When I look at the orange singlet, it signifies the 3rd to 6th best program in the nation based on a little more than the past decade. Second best conference that has fallen far behind the BIG.
This program has been so far from competing at the top for so long and we lacked the leadership within the AD department and HC position to navigate the changing landscape and keep us on top. Only way that happens if the bar for excellence was slowly lowered and internally we knew we were no longer the top program. Feels like surrender to me.
Reminds me of what happened with baseball, we had it going big and then abandoned it. It hurt watching our wrestling program and baseball program sacrificed at the altar of the revenue sports. Guess it was needed, but it is so hard to get back on top. You also now have fan apathy that sinks in, that leads to in my opinion excuses, acceptance, and a feeling of helplessness. It leads to division in terms of what needs to be done and protecting sacred cows and old notions. Our history now hurts us because we think history alone gets us back.
We have a nice wrestling program that has the most NC’s ever, we are no longer a blue blood in the sport in a present tense, we have the history of one, but evidently we lack the resources, the commitment, conference affiliation, recruiting, and at some point admitting what we are doing no longer works and drastic changes need to be made, and quickly. OSU should say screw the Big 12, and try to get in the BIG. And put up the financial resources to go win it all, the program deserves that.
Some have talked about some changes that have been made. I hope they were made in time.
Anytime a BIG team is expected to win it, you can pretty much take it to the bank we are not winning a NC.
It pains me to see the winningest program in all of North America, be it college or pro to fall to this level. We now seek individual titles, not a team title. We needed Fix wrestling for first place team title, not to be 2nd.
If I ever win the lottery the programs at OSU that needs it the most is Wrestling and Softball. Softball with a push could win it all. Wrestling needs a remodel.
Yes, I am very frustrated that yet again, we took a sport that we were feared in and truly expected to win NC’s, to saying wait until next year, yet again. I don’t blame the wrestlers, I blame the slow boil of mediocrity that is now accepted. At some point maybe we finally get tired of being the BIG’s biotch and do something significant to change our path. Of course that takes money and perhaps the cost of competing at the highest level is out of our reach and hence the complacency and acceptance of our lot in life. If we stay in the Big 12 maybe we can stay the best team in the Big 12. Times have changed.
Only thing that matters to me is the team title. Individual titles are great but it is about the team.
Would love to have seen Fix win, but maybe if he was wrestling for a team title, and wrestled for a more feared program which also means more confidence and swag, that might be enough of an edge to have won. How much value is it psychologically to know you are wrestling for the best program? I don’t blame Fix for losing, I blame the lack of commitment in the wrestling program to win. Wrestling against that PSU singlet mentally is tough, that use to be OSU.
When I look at the orange singlet, it signifies the 3rd to 6th best program in the nation based on a little more than the past decade. Second best conference that has fallen far behind the BIG.
This program has been so far from competing at the top for so long and we lacked the leadership within the AD department and HC position to navigate the changing landscape and keep us on top. Only way that happens if the bar for excellence was slowly lowered and internally we knew we were no longer the top program. Feels like surrender to me.
Reminds me of what happened with baseball, we had it going big and then abandoned it. It hurt watching our wrestling program and baseball program sacrificed at the altar of the revenue sports. Guess it was needed, but it is so hard to get back on top. You also now have fan apathy that sinks in, that leads to in my opinion excuses, acceptance, and a feeling of helplessness. It leads to division in terms of what needs to be done and protecting sacred cows and old notions. Our history now hurts us because we think history alone gets us back.
We have a nice wrestling program that has the most NC’s ever, we are no longer a blue blood in the sport in a present tense, we have the history of one, but evidently we lack the resources, the commitment, conference affiliation, recruiting, and at some point admitting what we are doing no longer works and drastic changes need to be made, and quickly. OSU should say screw the Big 12, and try to get in the BIG. And put up the financial resources to go win it all, the program deserves that.
Some have talked about some changes that have been made. I hope they were made in time.
Anytime a BIG team is expected to win it, you can pretty much take it to the bank we are not winning a NC.
It pains me to see the winningest program in all of North America, be it college or pro to fall to this level. We now seek individual titles, not a team title. We needed Fix wrestling for first place team title, not to be 2nd.
If I ever win the lottery the programs at OSU that needs it the most is Wrestling and Softball. Softball with a push could win it all. Wrestling needs a remodel.
Yes, I am very frustrated that yet again, we took a sport that we were feared in and truly expected to win NC’s, to saying wait until next year, yet again. I don’t blame the wrestlers, I blame the slow boil of mediocrity that is now accepted. At some point maybe we finally get tired of being the BIG’s biotch and do something significant to change our path. Of course that takes money and perhaps the cost of competing at the highest level is out of our reach and hence the complacency and acceptance of our lot in life. If we stay in the Big 12 maybe we can stay the best team in the Big 12. Times have changed.
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