Sure, sure. Let me know when one of AOC's predictions actually come true.
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You continue to bring this up as if it is some brilliant revelation you had. In reality you are demonstrating the analysis skills of a 9 year old.
I already have. Biden should have been on top of this starting last March. The sudden "omg Putin is going to invade" right before the invasion isn't the best way to deter a guy like Putin.
Because the obvious is obvious, pilt. Do you think Biden was prepared for an actual Russian invasion of Ukraine? Why are we just now scrambling to get them weapons?
Maybe we could have been sending a shit ton of weapons and maybe even some troops to advise Ukraine much earlier than invasion time? There's no way Russia is doing any of this with the US military in the way. We've done that type of stuff all over the world. If Ukraine is so vital to our national security, why would we not go balls deep to protect it?
BTW, what's your solution?
Lol.
Was it? What were the sanctions accomplishing other than annoying the Germans? Real sanctions require German and to a lesser degree EU cooperation if they are going to be anything other than symbolic. Now Gazprom has $11 bln of steel sitting on the bottom of the sea.
No, I just don't fall for the pathetic infantile OMG THE EARTH IS IN PERIL alarmism you dumbasses on the left love to chug and spew.
Well, genius, why did Biden reimpose the sanctions if they were useless? Is it just one of Pedo's usual empty gestures?
Yea, but that 11B was paid for by the EU in energy imports from Russia.
The fact it was done AFTER Germany had suspended all the permits clearly indicates it was an empty gesture and that as usual with Biden, we're leading from behind.
Interesting how public the shipments have been isn't it? I can't remember the last time the build up, types of arms, even hell the date of manufacture was so clearly advertised:
Yes it is. The meat of it is Germany shutting it down. That is what actually matters.
Clearly. While restoring US sanctions on Gazprom's Nord Stream 2 project may make for good "my side" talking points, it is inconsequential.
Thank you for being honest for a change. Now, why did Biden waive the sanctions to begin with?
Because they were equally inconsequential then, they annoyed the Germans, and arguably cancelling them removed the issue from the German elections creating conditions for a better relationship.
Tell me what the simple take is - in your opinion why were they tossed? Let me guess, Hunter Biden is somehow involved...
Agreed. And while the maroons in society may not understand NS2, Putin does, and he immediately recognized that the EU/US sanctions for the initial 'minor incursion' were literally nothing. Why would Biden or anyone think that sanctioning a non-functioning pipeline would make any difference in detering Putin's ambition. So now, 24 hours after the invasion, Biden will announce what 'consequences' Putin will face in sanctions. Really, how is this list of sanctions not already prepared and announced given that Russia's been on the doorstep for weeks and even Biden announced last week that the invasion was imminent. Yet you libs still praise the 'leadership' of the Biden administration?
So appeasing Russia via Germany over an inconsequential pipeline was the best Biden could do? Really?
Odd that you think the sanctions haven't been thought out, agreed upon by required parties, communicated in advance to Putin et al. They clearly weren't enough to deter Putin. Are you upset that you are the last to know?
Likely additional sanctions are being planned and covert action is already underway. Maybe those will be communicated too at some point.
Please provide your analysis. Or are you just thinking you can be our version of Thabo Sefolosha?
Maybe you can give us a list of some of the specific sanctions Biden tried to use to deter Russia? Stern words like "there will be sanctions!" is not an indicator of actual planning.
Assuming the Biden administration is capable of explaining a coherent rationalization as to how what’s happening in Ukraine is connected to America’s national security, the second item on the agenda should be developing and explaining EXACTLY what is the mission of any intervention America would take. This is especially true if troops are sent into action. They should be told “this is what we’re sending you to do, we will provide whatever backup you need to do it, and once you’ve done it you’ll pack up and come home.” No more “nation building, spreading democracy bs,” no more shifting the mission ala Afghanistan or Syria. It should be “we’ve identified our national interest and we’ve developed a mission to see it is protected, and once that is accomplished we’re out.” I wonder if there’s a single person connected to the military industrial/security state complex that would agree to that.
Maybe you should just tune into the press conference later today. Such a simpleton take you have on all of this...
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahaha!!! I can always tell when I've broken your talking points. You get redassed as hell.
Was waiving the sanctions to appease Russia via Germany the only option Biden had in your opinion?
Red assed? LOL at that.
So you don't have any theory of your own then? Maybe need to search the Tucker back catalog before you slide out on a limb? Take your time, we will be here when you find what it is you are looking for.
So I guess that's a no on you providing a list of specific sanctions Biden tried to deter Putin with? Why am I not shocked?
You are very good at writing your own jokes, Dodge. Rape, Portland riots, Morgan Freeman...
It was probably in the stack of papers, quickly being handed to him, he was told to sign.
Our carriers would be destroyed, and you would unite many Arab countries to fight against Israel. Got any other options that don't involve us losing our Pacific fleet? Tried that one once, it worked out but was really expensive.
I started a thread a day or two ago linking an article that speculated on what are America’s intentions regarding Ukraine. His argument was fascinating to me. He’s saying none of this is about Ukraine, it’s all about Germany, in particular the threat America’s security state feels about NS2. Russia would provide Germany with gas, Germany would provide Russia with money, both parties would be satisfied with the arrangement which would ease tensions between the two countries, other trade endeavors would ensue which might ultimately lead to a Germany-Russia-China trade relationship that would leave the US out in the cold and be the final nail
in the coffin of the American unilateral empire. Ukraine, according to this analysis, was a hail Mary attempt to drive a wedge between Russia and Germany and put a stop to NS2 at the last minute. The whole Ukraine into NATO talk was an attempt to lure Putin into doing exactly what he has done. The whole thing is about keeping Germany in the fold and America the alpha male. I’ve probably butchered what he wrote, but it was a fascinating observation.
You rubes lap that silly alarmism shit up. What are we at now, 8 years left?
Why do you guys think our forces are impotent? Our leadership is feckless but our fighting force is second to none.
China is not going to attack our carriers unless they are prepared to go to nuclear war.
Israel will not get into it with Arabs because they also hate the Persians. Shia hates Sunnis etc.
There really is only one country that might think about nuking someone as a good idea. That is the jihadis in Iran.
*&$^$%&*(&^$%^ Dan. Have you learned ANYTHING? Why do you listen to those people?
On top of. On top of. Brilliant.
We have been giving them weapons since 2014.
Yes, I am sure that would have been wise. Rush Putin's timeline, increase the chances of miscalculation, make sure that the consequences of miscalculation are WW3. I'll take what Joe did over that.
I am sure Russia would just kindly wait for the US military to arrive.
Is it?
Already told you once.
Yeah and the EU got energy and Russia got steal at the bottom of the Baltic. Not a great trade for Russia.
You think it is a good idea to tell Putin the exact cost of invading Ukraine ahead of time?
Because, your carriers were placed in range of China's air force in China!
You are under the misguided impression that nuclear weapons are deterring military aggression. For nukes to be a deterrent you have to be willing to use them.
Even if you manage to get Israel to defeat Iran, which geographically is next to impossible. What have you gained? Nothing really as we gave up Afghanistan.
You also forgot Pakistan, N. Korea, and India as nuclear nations that will use them.
You are overestimating our capabilities and failing to understand that we are not set up to fight this kind of war right now.
Look I like you have no problem with using our military. I just want to win. You never want to be the loser in a war.
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