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Yeah, wasn't thrilled with that episode. I know they are trying to build up the odds against them and make the situation as bleak as possible. But that was pretty crappy. A number of strange character endings.
I really didn't like Sam and Jon's departure. Jon should have said something about the duty of a night's watch is done and his watch is over.
Hated it.
I really liked the episode as well. Jon leaving Ghost seems like a bad omen
I've read these threads but haven't watched the show over the years.
The author of the books and the producers of the show cut against convention are are some of the biggest trolls in the history of television. They sucker you back in only to pull the rug out from under your feet.
This isn't a fairy tale. It's not going to get tied up with a nice pretty bow. When the hero of season one got popped that should have been a clue.
Your heroes you think are going to end up on top won't. It's going to end badly.
Meraxes, she was ridden by Queen Rhaenys Targaryen during Aegon's Conquest. In 10 AC at Hellholt, an iron bolt from a scorpion went through Meraxes's eye, killing her. Also 4 dragons were killed by a mob of peasants in the storming of the dragonpit.Last time dragons ruled westeros there were no massive crossbows around, so they have built up a legend of being indestructible. They aren't.
I really liked the episode as well. Jon leaving Ghost seems like a bad omen
D&D actually doing this makes me laugh. Thats pretty much gone out the window.I'm don't see where being willing to go beyond the traditional comic book level of good vs evils makes them trolls. To me its more like actual character development and plot with a touch of reality. I prefer that over Batman vs Joker for the 50th time.
I've read these threads but haven't watched the show over the years.
The author of the books and the producers of the show cut against convention are are some of the biggest trolls in the history of television. They sucker you back in only to pull the rug out from under your feet.
This isn't a fairy tale. It's not going to get tied up with a nice pretty bow. When the hero of season one got popped that should have been a clue.
Your heroes you think are going to end up on top won't. It's going to end badly.
White Walkers are gonna drag that dragon out of the sea and rain havoc down on Westeros again.I guess what bothers me the most in this episode is the dragons had no sense that there was danger. They are supposedly flying high above the ships and they nor Dany can see Greyjoy's ships? It just doesn't make sense that he can get several clear shots and remain hidden from view?
I'm also not sure the dragon is dead. Cersei asked Greyjoy if he was sure the dragon was killed and he said yes. He saw it fall into the water. Don't really know why that would be asked unless the dragon was still alive. It is probably dead, but it just seemed odd.
No, they aren't involved in the prequel series.I also thought the Bronn scene/storyline is dog crap. Just not believable. HBO writers = amateur hour.
And these are the people that will build a spin-off series?
I guess what bothers me the most in this episode is the dragons had no sense that there was danger. They are supposedly flying high above the ships and they nor Dany can see Greyjoy's ships? It just doesn't make sense that he can get several clear shots and remain hidden from view?
I'm also not sure the dragon is dead. Cersei asked Greyjoy if he was sure the dragon was killed and he said yes. He saw it fall into the water. Don't really know why that would be asked unless the dragon was still alive. It is probably dead, but it just seemed odd.
Episode 4 wasn't bad, but there was plenty of shit incorporated into it. There was some good dialogue (like we saw in episode 2, along with some stupid plot (like we saw in episode 3).
-Can anyone tell me why they decided to divide their forces and send half by ship to Dragonstone? If you knew that Cersei had 20,000+ troops and was planning to betray you, why would you not keep all of your forces together? What if she had sent her forces north to attack you on the Kingsroad?
-It's crystal clear that the show writers m.o. is to come up with ideas that they think would be really cool for the viewer, then figure out a way to make it happen, rather than putting together a coherent story that makes sense. Characters just do things that don't fit with what has previously been established for them to make certain scenes come to fruition.
-I thought the Misandei portion of the story was silly. She is the only member of Dani's party who is captured? Euron knows that she is important to Dani? She has been pretty much a background character to this point, but last night, it was as if she is Dani's sister.
-This is what we get out of the Bronn assassin story? What a waste of time. He and Jaime seemed pretty tight by the end of their trip to Dorne. Last night, it was almost as if they never met. I guess they are trying to get us to really hate Bronn and setting up a death where the viewer pumps his/her fist when he buys the farm...but, do any of us really give a shit about Bronn at this point. Also, what's up with someone from King's Landing just showing up in WF with a loaded crossbow and waltzing on in on the Lannister brothers? Wouldn't they disarm him before letting him in the gate? Wouldn't they have some guards escort him?
-Am I the only one bored by Sansa's stubbornness about Jon being King of the North and not ruling alongside Dani? She sure changed her tune quickly. She went from "you can't go to KL, you have to stay here and rule the North" to "Jon should be the one sitting on the Iron Throne and ruling a united Westeros".
-The whole Ghost thing was stupid. He went from Jon's constant shadow to Jon kicking him to the curb and just waving goodbye to him. It might have been more believable if Jon had told Sam to take care of him and told Ghost to protect Sam, Gilly and the babies. Is Sam staying in WF? Going back to Castle Black? Is anyone on the Wall anymore? Do they need to be? Would have been nice to get some clarification.
-I really enjoyed the interaction between the Hound/Arya and Hound/Sansa.
-I thought the Dani/Gendry scene and Gendry/Arya scene were both great, and consistent with the characterization previously established.
-The first Jaime/Brienne scene was good. Her crying when he was leaving didn't sit right with me, but I might be picking nits.
-On the dragon death...They easily hit the first dragon 3 times (maybe 4?), but can't hit the other dragon at all? Dani just sits there and continues flying straight ahead for about 30 seconds after the first dragon is hit? She didn't see the ships coming at all? The Ironborn can reload those giant weapons, and pull back the string to fire unrealistically quickly, IMO. They not only hit dragon 1 multiple times, but they took multiple shots at Drogon, then destroyed the fleet as if they were using semi-auto weapons.
-Did anyone see the Starbucks cup sitting on the table in the Tormund drinking scene?
You pretty much encapsulated my beefs.
Reloading those weapons would have taken at least minutes.
Also why is Cersei the only one with intelligence on troop moments? How is it possible for the dragons not to spot those ships, before they are in range? So much more and you’ve hit on most of them.
This felt mailed in and just lazy.
Rhaegal's underside was scratched pretty badly by Viserion in episode 3. Still, he shouldn't have been killed so easily.So are dragon scales paper thin?
1: we need Cersei to be a bigger threat so got to weaken Dany further, but lets make the characters make stupid decisions to get there.Episode 4 wasn't bad, but there was plenty of shit incorporated into it. There was some good dialogue (like we saw in episode 2, along with some stupid plot (like we saw in episode 3).
-Can anyone tell me why they decided to divide their forces and send half by ship to Dragonstone? If you knew that Cersei had 20,000+ troops and was planning to betray you, why would you not keep all of your forces together? What if she had sent her forces north to attack you on the Kingsroad?
-It's crystal clear that the show writers m.o. is to come up with ideas that they think would be really cool for the viewer, then figure out a way to make it happen, rather than putting together a coherent story that makes sense. Characters just do things that don't fit with what has previously been established for them to make certain scenes come to fruition.
-I thought the Misandei portion of the story was silly. She is the only member of Dani's party who is captured? Euron knows that she is important to Dani? She has been pretty much a background character to this point, but last night, it was as if she is Dani's sister.
-This is what we get out of the Bronn assassin story? What a waste of time. He and Jaime seemed pretty tight by the end of their trip to Dorne. Last night, it was almost as if they never met. I guess they are trying to get us to really hate Bronn and setting up a death where the viewer pumps his/her fist when he buys the farm...but, do any of us really give a shit about Bronn at this point. Also, what's up with someone from King's Landing just showing up in WF with a loaded crossbow and waltzing on in on the Lannister brothers? Wouldn't they disarm him before letting him in the gate? Wouldn't they have some guards escort him?
-Am I the only one bored by Sansa's stubbornness about Jon being King of the North and not ruling alongside Dani? She sure changed her tune quickly. She went from "you can't go to KL, you have to stay here and rule the North" to "Jon should be the one sitting on the Iron Throne and ruling a united Westeros".
-The whole Ghost thing was stupid. He went from Jon's constant shadow to Jon kicking him to the curb and just waving goodbye to him. It might have been more believable if Jon had told Sam to take care of him and told Ghost to protect Sam, Gilly and the babies. Is Sam staying in WF? Going back to Castle Black? Is anyone on the Wall anymore? Do they need to be? Would have been nice to get some clarification.
-I really enjoyed the interaction between the Hound/Arya and Hound/Sansa.
-I thought the Dani/Gendry scene and Gendry/Arya scene were both great, and consistent with the characterization previously established.
-The first Jaime/Brienne scene was good. Her crying when he was leaving didn't sit right with me, but I might be picking nits.
-On the dragon death...They easily hit the first dragon 3 times (maybe 4?), but can't hit the other dragon at all? Dani just sits there and continues flying straight ahead for about 30 seconds after the first dragon is hit? She didn't see the ships coming at all? The Ironborn can reload those giant weapons, and pull back the string to fire unrealistically quickly, IMO. They not only hit dragon 1 multiple times, but they took multiple shots at Drogon, then destroyed the fleet as if they were using semi-auto weapons.
-Did anyone see the Starbucks cup sitting on the table in the Tormund drinking scene?
Apparently winter went away with the death of the Night King.One final thing that's bugging me. Much like the timeline and geography the climate seems to be very flexible. Has spring come already? Snow & ice suddenly doesn't seem to be any kind of issue other then its real cold at night in Winterfell leading to a lot of hook ups. Travel is no longer an issue. It appears to be 80 and sunny at both Dragon Stone and Kings Landing. I thought part of the strategy was that Cersei is running out of food due to winter. It was snowing in Kings Landing last season now it swimsuit season.