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Then if the private seller wants a license, they have to register their inventory. That’s not that hard and it’s just common sense. That’s not even gun control.
You don’t consider requiring me to get an FFL license and register my “inventory” before I privately sell a gun to my neighbor a “gun control” measure?
Uhhhh, I guess you missed the part that since gun shows aren't the only place a private seller can sell guns, they can just move their sales to another venue. How does that remedy anything?
I’m talking about if you want to sell at a gun show and also make a living, no. I don’t have an answer at this time on truly private transfers. I do believe the gun shows will be looked at in the future.
Okay, then let’s change the scenario a little.
Let’s say I want to go down to H&H’s next gun show and sell five (pick a number) handguns from my personal collection. Maybe sell them in the parking lot or even pay a few bucks for a table. Let’s also say, I don’t make a living selling guns. I’ve got a real job, and I’m just looking to make some cash and maybe change my five guns into vacation cash. Finally, let’s also assume I wanna do it there because I know that that is the easiest way to find a buyers market and can likely sell them all in the same day instead of over weeks through Craigslist or whatnot.
Should I have to get an FFL license? Should I have to go through NICS? Isn’t requiring me to do so by definition a “gun control” measure?
If you make a "living" selling guns, you are required to have an FFL. That law is already on the books...
"As applied to a dealer, the term "engaged in the business" refers to "a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of obtaining livelihood through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms."
Nobody is going to be buying guns at retail for resale at gun shows because you'll be taking a huge loss doing it. You can't even sniff the inventory of a manufacturer or wholesale distributor without an FFL. I have several friends who build ARs for folks and they all have FFLs so they can have access to the wholesale distributors to be able to buy parts at a price that makes it cost neutral at worst, make a few dollars at best.
If you want to require an occasional seller of personally owned firearms to get an FFL of some sorts to sell their guns at gun shows, they can simply sell them some other place. Again, not a remedy for your presented "problem."
Serious question Clinton...have you ever been to a small gunshow and talked to individual sellers?
It is. It doesn’t restrict weapons types is my point. It doesn’t actually control guns themselves.
It certainly controls where that can controls where and how that gun is transferred...just as much as a restriction or even a ban or sales of particular guns does. It does, in essence controls/restricts ALL guns rather than just particular types.
But this is contending over meaningless semantics rather than the actual issue.
Feel free to answer the rest of the questions if you are so inclined to do so.
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I asked because, in my experience, “gun shows” are often full of the types of people I described in my hypothetical. I’m kind of interested in whether you think they should have to obtain a license to do that.
I’m not a big gun guy myself, but I occasionally go to gun shows because I am a knife guy and have picked up a few at them. It’s also sometimes a good place to pick up other interesting stuff. For instance, I recently picked up a Boris Yeltsin era Russian tank commander watch. The thing is basically indestructible and always a topic of conversation when I wear it.
Do we have any numbers about guns sold at gun shows and crimes committed by them? I’ve only been to one but I got much more of a collector/end of days prep for zombies feel to the transactions.
My older sister is a tree hugging old school hippie, she is 59. Back when I got my first gun and my conceal to carry she told me what an evil person I was, how disappointed she was in me, and how I would never need a gun to defend myself. How could I buy a weapon designed to kill people? Of course I asked her what planet are you on?
My sister was living in Houston, and when a Hurricane hit Houston many years ago she left as instructed before it hit. When I was finally able to talk to her and make sure she was safe, she told me how she waited her turn to get gas in these long lines and people were getting impatient, and a couple of guys jumped the line and pulled out guns so they could cut in and get gas, she said they were threatening people. She was about 3rd in line at one of the pumps when this happened. She said next thing you know everyone and their brother has a gun pulled and they are all threatening each other.
She said she was the only one without a gun and she thought she was going to die at that gas station.
She apologizes to me and said now I understand why you have a gun, that she was going to get a gun soon and get her conceal to carry license. I thought riiiiiight.
This event, combination of food shortages, pulling up your life for a few days, guns being drawn in public and threats made over gas, etc...and my sister goes from a tree hugging hippie to a full on prepper, went off the deep end on it.
She thinks I am so stupid not to be “prepped”, I told her I am old enough, bad knees, shoulder, etc...that I physically could not handle tilling the soil with my hands for years, once was a pretty good fighter but today just old, beat up and out of shape. Told her end of times I am like that old hurt zebra running in the wild and the lion would just run me down and kill me, natural selection would take care of me. It would be a young man’s world.
Told her a bunch of those bad guys would be out trying to steal from people just like that day in Houston, and my best bet was take all my guns and kill as many of the bad guys as I could before I was killed or starved to death.
At my age, that is my end of days plan. Protect as many people as I can that can not protect themselves for as long as I can.
Told her I hoped she was armed to the teeth to protect everything she has prepared.
I have never seen anyone in my life go from one extreme to the other like she has.
Hope the preppers never need to initiate their plans, If it gets that bad I figure it will be hell on earth.
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With an admission of never actually having been to one to see what goes on from a first person perspective.
And that it isn’t even a gun show thing. That was made up by liberals to make it sound like a real problem. They made it sound like you could take your store inventory and sell at a gun show and not do background checks. He truly believes this too.
The only way to keep criminals from getting guns is to put them in a prison and leave them there.
Even if guns are made illegal, any rouge machine shop could manufacture the parts and sell them. The "how to make them" genie is out of the bottle and won't be put back in. Our neighbors to the south might even close their eyes and allow those shops to make them as long as they only sell them north of the border and to select groups south of it.
an AR can be made on a 3D printer at this point.
an open border will keep guns plentiful and easy to buy illegally.
gun control isn’t about solving any problem other than bringing red state yokels to heel. period. anything else is a lie.
Before Obama I had zero guns. Once he got elected I started buying guns and got a conceal to carry license. Why? Because of his threats about gun legislation and the fact I did not want just the bad guys having access to firearms and large capacity magazines which they would have access to regardless of the laws. I know many people during this time that became first time owners in OKC, my place of work went gun crazy.
Anyone remember when H&H gun shelves in OKC were empty? One of the largest volume stores in the country. Obama greatest gun salesman of all time.
Obama’s threats about legislation put more guns in to circulation then any sitting US President, the gun manufacturers had to love him.
Want to bet orders for AR rifles have sky rocketed this week because of the threat of legislation?
My point? When the government threatens to take something away, citizens are going to say hell no and stockpile what the government says you can not have. People take protecting their families seriously as well as their rights.
I have enjoyed becoming a gun enthusiast later in life, I am sure this week many Americans have become first time AR owners.
Anyone remember when H&H gun shelves in OKC were empty? One of the largest volume stores in the country. Obama greatest gun salesman of all time.
Obama’s threats about legislation put more guns in to circulation then any sitting US President, the gun manufacturers had to love him.
Want to bet orders for AR rifles have sky rocketed this week because of the threat of legislation?
My point? When the government threatens to take something away, citizens are going to say hell no and stockpile what the government says you can not have. People take protecting their families seriously as well as their rights.
I have enjoyed becoming a gun enthusiast later in life, I am sure this week many Americans have become first time AR owners.
So, you are in favor of nothing changing. Including frequent mass shootings.
Good on you, mate.
Shaming good people that are not for mass murder is not going to get them to come around to see things your way, just the opposite. To accuse anyone of being for frequent mass shootings is silly. One thing I learned a long time ago, the best decisions are not formulated when emotions are running high.
You have a lot of really dumb posts, but this is now #1 what a disgusting piece of trash you are.
i utterly reject your conflation of gun control and mass shootings and your assumed truth that one will influence the other. not good on you.
