I don't think Hamas will ever surrender. It may be defeated and cease to exist. But the conditions under which the Palestinians are forced by Israel to survive will simply give rise to another organization like it, maybe even more disgustingly terroristic than Hamas. And I didn't dodge anything. You're trying too hard to win an argument, I'm trying to have a conversation.
Am I A Human Shield?
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Dan, just say you hate Jews. It takes less words than this false equivalency dog whistle song and dance you are doing.
Correct me if I'm wrong (I easily could be) but I don't think the organization that provides the numbers of dead and injured Palestinians is the same organization that made the original claim about the hospital.
Please be so kind as to point out something I have said that indicates I hate Jews.
Your refusal to admit the Palestinians are the aggressors here. You continue blame Israel for their treatment of the Palestinians without ever considering there is a very good reason Israel doesn't trust the Palestinians.
The Palestinians are not accepted by anyone in the Middle East, why is that?
You are a pretty dumb, mailable person. But not so dumb as to come right out and say it. So you give false moral equivalencies and scenarios that would tie the hands of Israel all the while using dog whistle phrases. You say it. You just phrase it in a why that gives you deniability. Which is cowardly.
Here's where our miscommunication lies. It seems in your mind Palestinian = Hamas. I say Palestinian = Palestinian and Hamas = Hamas. You seem to think the Israel government = Jew, any criticism of actions perpetratedby the Israeli government = antisemitic hatred of all Jews. I say actions by any government that fences in other people with no chance to escape is wrong no matter which government it is. I do not condone the actions of Hamas, I condemn Hamas with all I've got. By the same token I condemn the conditions the Israeli government has foisted on the Palestinian people and beg it to change tactics or the murder and mayhem will never end.
As for your contention that no one wants to accept the Palestinians into their country. Leave aside the question of why the Palestinains should be removed from their homeland, the fact is no one wanted the Jews after WW2. No country in the West including America wanted to bring them into their country. I'll ask you the same question: why is that?
There is no greater evil than those that are gleeful in their brutal killing of people, yet some think it is all justified. SMFH.
There are a lot of things that can be said about me, but cowardly is not one of them. You want to reduce me to a stereotype so you won't have to engage, you much prefer to sling accusations. That strikes me as cowardly on your part.
You do understand that Hamas is in charge of Gaza, and the Palestinians who live there, voted them in?
There is the problem, you think the Palestinians do not fully support Hamas despite all evidence to the contrary. Wake up, the Palestinians and to be fair many Muslims fully support killing every Jew on planet earth and would if they could. All you have to do is listen to what they say and watch their actions for any confirmation you need.
Why did no country want the Jewish people after WWII? I would think guilt had a lot to do with it along with well known anti-Semitism, even here in the US. Hell look around, anti-Semitism is still alive and well here in the US.
It's not? I quoted your post, Dan. I'll post it again and maybe you can Dansplain what it actually means for me.
Dan
Do all Palestinians = Hamas? No
Are there Hamas among the Palestinians = yes
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And on Oct 7th the day the raid the music festival and took hostages. They took a German/Israeli girl. The beat and raped her and paraded her through the streets with normal Palestinians beating and spitting on her dead body.
Do all Palestinians = Hamas? No
Are there Hamas among the Palestinians = yes
10 Things to Know About Hamas
What is Hamas? Hamas is an Iranian-backed Palestinian terrorist organization that controls the Gaza Strip. Hamas’ 1988 charter states: “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and...
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17 years ago, with less than 50% of the vote.
If all Hamas supporters deserve to die lets start with Netanyahu
At no point in anything I have said have I claimed the death and destruction is all Israel's fault. You know it, you just don't want to admit it because it makes your accusation false. What I have said, or at least tried to say, is Israel is the big gorilla in the equation, it has all the leverage (all of it, not most of it), and if the Israeli government would change its tactic in how it treats the people in Gaza over time things might begin to change. Bloodshed begets more bloodshed, hatred begets more hatred. Until one side or the other breaks the cycle it will continue forever. IMO it would be much easier for Israel to be the first to break the cycle. Does that "Dansplain" it to your satisfaction?
Rashida Talib just called for it. Michigan Democrat Rashida Tlaib was rebuked for her defence of the chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".
How does that work?
Do you concede the battlefield advantage one side is trying to gain by using “their“ people?
You are right. Talib fabricated it right out of her mouth. SMH
No. That's idiotic. If you and I are fighting and I stop but you don't.... what happens to me? Congrats, you've just one upped Dan on the idiotometer.
You tell me. What happens to Israel if they simply stop bombing children?
They are attacked without fear of reprisal.
How well has fear of reprisal been working as a defense strategy? Not so good. Maybe its time for a new strategy.
Is it? You have any evidence to the contrary? I've plenty that support my opinion.
From one of your trusted left wing sites
Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology
A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.
When Iran Says ‘Death to Israel,’ It Means It
Analysts too often assume that autocrats obscure the goals they wish to achieve. The historical record suggests that we should take them at face value.
From one of your trusted and loyal Democrat Politicians
Hoyer: Hamas's Objective is the Slaughter of Jews and the Complete Destruction of Israel. To Argue Otherwise is Dishonest and Dangerous.
WASHINGTON, DC — Congressman Steny H. Hoyer (MD-05) released the following statement today reiterating America's support for Israel and our commitment to recovering the over 200 hostages being held in Gaza by Hamas terrorists.
Majority of the Palestinians would vote to keep Hamas in power.
Looks to me like the strategy has changed. Israel is not sitting back and taking it like many of you on the left demand and you are losing your mind over it by supporting evil. It's wasn't the Israelis that were gleefully beheading babies, it was the Palestinians.
Hamas terrorists continue to bomb, pillage and rape Israelis.
