First I was a huge supporter of president Reagan and he did misspeak, but, President Reagan didn't misspeak, then blame the media for reporting it. Or attack the media when they fact checked him wrong...........the media is not an enemy of the American people, as President Trump said yesterday, the media and the freedom they are allowed is the most important thing the American people have.
What terror attack in Sweden?
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Good point. I'd also like to add that the public shouldn't have to listen to the hyperbolic media scream the sky is falling every time the man opens his mouth. It's increasing apathy at light speed, desensitizing to the point that a real issue will be blown off when alarm is required.
I read the outrage, then the quote, and was like.......
Yes, yes it is. And while we're nashing teeth over the Trump manufactured terror attack where he took a play out of Obama's book and didn't even mention terror attack, the left is losing their minds over the First Lady saying the Lord's Prayer because that's what the wives of dictators do and what not.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-reciting-lords-prayer-at-campaign-rally.html
I wasn't aware this level of stupid could exist, even inside a laboratory that makes new levels of stupid.
Blah, blah. Funny how Obama blasted FOX News and Limbaugh ad naseum.
I have no problem someone reciting the Lord's Prayer, but it was pretty awkward, and to me it came across as an act.......I have not watched all of President Trump's rally's ( or whatever you call them), maybe they do that every time, but it did not come across as genuine at all, at least to me........
Islam is becoming more of a problem in Europe. Ruining? Not sure I would go that far.
You are only talking about this because you first played "maybe he meant", though.
Our president should not be speaking ambivalent gibberish. He should take the time to prepare so that he can make a clear point. Then the left won't criticize him with "maybe he meant" and the right won't feel the need to defend him by doing the same.
I was not a fan of President Obama, but, I had never seen President Obama say something, the media report it verbatim, and then he attack the media for them reporting what he said........sorry, but Rush Limbaugh is more of an entertainer than a media source........that would be like going to Bill Maher for all your news
Really? We all know (including you) that there is a deep well of stupid shit Obama said in 8 years. Let's keep things in perspective. Trump said nothing about a "terror attack" so whether that's what he meant or not is pure speculation.
Back on Obama, refresher?
Like your plan...like your doctor...save $2,500 a year... All intentional lies to convince the American people to support Obamacare.
ISIS is JV....Fort Hood workplace violence...Benghazi, video.... All intentional lies to downplay the increasing threat of radical Islam (but we can't say that).
See any pattern? There's more if you need more. Not excusing Trump for saying dumb shit, but your post was on the verge of blatant intellectual dishonesty.
So, once again, your defense of our POTUS is, "I'm really not sure what he meant when he said that". Unacceptable.
Intentional lies? Or did his healthcare plan not work the way he was expecting it to? I don't know the answer, but you are saying he intentionally mislead the public when he knew what the final outcome would be.
These were just "alternative facts". OK, I am kidding. It is clear that there is a large dichotomy between Obama's opinion of how big a threat Radical Islam is, and Trump's. I'm fairly sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I'm not saying Obama was the perfect president and never made a mistake or lied. I don't expect that from Trump. But, I do not want to have to play "maybe he meant" every time he speaks either. It is a bad look for our country and only adds to our problems.
We're only talking about what he meant because the left grabbed two words and said they meant something about a terrorist attack and there was nothing even remotely said about it. The context was clear about Muslim problems. Nothing was necessary to discern what was meant until the left's complete distortion.
Good point. I'd also like to add that the public shouldn't have to listen to the hyperbolic media scream the sky is falling every time the man opens his mouth. It's increasing apathy at light speed, desensitizing to the point that a real issue will be blown off when alarm is required.
I read the outrage, then the quote, and was like.......
Double end thread.
Lefty hysterics....again.
On with my day.
Intentional lies? Yes they were intentional. Jonathan Gruber ring a bell?
Show me where Trump said "terror attack" or anything similar. So yes, if you want to speculate, you are doing exactly what you said you don't want to have to do, but you're actually the one doing it. Take his comment at face value. He didn't say "terror attack." The media did.
No.
The problem is everyone is constantly playing, "maybe he meant" because he is giving speeches that are full of confusing/ambiguous statements. This is not a problem created by the left. This is an issue created by a man who gets on the public stage and is either ill prepared to speak, easily confused, or purposely ambiguous.
You have to agree that, at the very least, the words "last night" do not fit with your explanation of the point he was trying to get across.
And just how many times does the media get things wrong every day? How often do we only get a fraction of the story from one reporters perspective? Trumps methods are clumsy and often I'll-advised but he is speaking to the heart of the problem. The media no longer reports the news. They advise us on what they want us to think and know. Actual reporting of facts is a very minute part of what they do. We don't need to listen to a 20 minute speech from potus and then have a panel of experts tell us what we just heard. 24 hour news channels have killed real journalism. There isn't more than 2 hours of news a day and the rest is reruns and talking head filler.
Trump is exactly right to be exposing the media for all of their shortcomings. Why doesn't everybody just shut up and breath and let some real progress take place? Has anybody looked at their 401 k since the election? If that's an indicator of what's going on then we just might be headed in the right direction.
I think maybe you are having some reading comprehension issues. That is, unless you can show me where ITT I stated that he said "terror attack" or anything similar. Where did I speculate as to what he meant? My entire point is that whatever he was trying to say was confusing and open to interpretation.
Pretty clear he was talking about Muslim problems with or without reference to last night.
This stuff needs to be reported. Right now VP Pence and Sec of Def Mattis are in Munich, having to convince our NATO allies that President Trump did not mean what he said. He seems to say a lot that he doesn't mean, but they only way we will know is for the media to report and investigate.
"pretty clear" is not good enough for me. I would like my President to give me confidence that he very clearly understands the entirety of the issue he is discussing. I want to feel like he has taken the time to sit down and study the details, rather than getting a general idea and making stuff up as he discusses it.
Why am I skeptical that you are providing a fully accurate account of things?
That was what Kaiseck (?) said this morning outside the building in Munich where the NATO meeting was going on
This would be ideal for every president, yet not one can provide it.
Further, there is no 1-to-1 correlation between how a president makes you feel and whether that feeling is based in truth.
http://news.sky.com/story/the-curious-case-of-president-trump-and-the-swedish-incident-10774330
Maybe this explains it all
Maybe this explains it all
POTUS gets his daily briefing from Tucker Carlson, lets morons like Pence talk to IC.
So he was watching a documentary and got it confused with a news report? This from the guy who is constantly railing on "fake news"? The guy who is the most visible and important representative of our country?
I'm not saying that is actually what happened. I have no idea. But, he needs to do a better job so that no one (the public, foreign leaders, etc) has to guess what he was trying to say.
Really? So, you are saying that Trump is doing just as good of a job of convincing you he has total understanding of most topics he discusses as other presidents in your lifetime?
I understand that he does not have a career of public speaking experience, but sometimes it is better not to speak than it is to speak and be confusing/ambiguous.
No it doesn't. It continues (echoes, if you will) a popular narrative, one benefiting those on the left inclined for hysterics, that the administration is inventing facts. The further implication is that it's willful. The last implication is that it's meaningful.
Where does this chain of implication become a bridge too far?
As the left continues to operate in hysterics, as we've plainly witnessed a bias and disregard for balanced reporting, consider me skeptical.
Of reports, of posters, etc.
Or throw some cold water on your hysteria center and give the guy some time to do some stuff and judge him on the results or lack thereof. The left is spending a whole lot of energy on ifs and buts.
Fine. It was absolutely clear that he was talking about Muslim problems. Reread the transcript.
No, I have not said that.
Nor do I believe that any president needs (can realistically possess) near total understanding of most topics.
What I have said is that much of the left is still in hysterics. And that plays itself out in a number of ways and in any number of channels (of life).
People quickly picked up on Mr Trump's mistake, with the former Swedish foreign minister Carl Bildt tweeting: "Sweden? Terror attack? What has he been smoking? Questions abound".
So, Medic and CBrad.... I guess this guy is part of the leftist hysteria conspiracy? This guy who is not even a US citizen and doesn't have a dog in this fight? You can't even admit that Trump's comments were confusing and open to interpretation? Your only defense of his silly choice of words is "the left is out to get him and make him look bad".
Call a spade a spade. He was either very confused about the facts or unable to communicate his point clearly. He needs to be better than this, or start using a teleprompter, or have someone else making these points for him.
So, Medic and CBrad.... I guess this guy is part of the leftist hysteria conspiracy? This guy who is not even a US citizen and doesn't have a dog in this fight? You can't even admit that Trump's comments were confusing and open to interpretation? Your only defense of his silly choice of words is "the left is out to get him and make him look bad".
Call a spade a spade. He was either very confused about the facts or unable to communicate his point clearly. He needs to be better than this, or start using a teleprompter, or have someone else making these points for him.
I suppose you had a mountain of heartburn with Obama and radical Islam then.
Dude, you're reasonable. Have you watched the speech or read the entire transcript? Those words aren't the only ones he spoke. Maybe the context is very clear in what he said before and/or after the words that didn't include "terror attack." You might just be digging deep on a sound bite.
I have read it multiple times. You are right that he was clearly discussing Muslim refugees causing issues in European countries. What is not clear is if he thinks something related to that specifically happened in Sweden 2 nights ago. There is no way you, or anybody, can read that transcript and claim that he did not say anything that can be interpreted in such a way that points to him believing that there was a specific incident, in Sweden, the night before his speech.
So when Trump says concerning things it's "meh...I know what he meant"....but Obama...you know to be intentional lies...so certain you bold it.
Yeah...seeing a pattern....people saying they aren't excusing Trump....while they're excusing him.
I started posting in this thread with this:
I have since said that Trump did not say "terror attack" and the conclusions folks are making that he meant "terror attack" is nothing but speculation. There are certainly enough problems with Muslim migrants in Sweden to wonder exactly which problem he was referring to.
Regarding Obama, Gruber's blabbing is well documented regarding Obamacare. You can't even pretend that Obama didn't know exactly what the direction of that bill was. Benghazi being the result of a video, Ft Hood being simply workplace violence, and ISIS being JV are all well known to be bullshit, and I'm quite certain by the ACTIONS his administration took, he knew he wasn't telling the truth, or he wouldn't have taken those actions to mislead people from the truth.
This has already been acknowledged. There are apparently several incidents to choose from related to Muslim migrant issues. None of them "terror attacks," nor did he state there was a "terror attack." I agree what he was referring to isn't clear at all, leaving it open to SPECULATION as to what he meant. That doesn't mean the SPECUALTION that he was referring to a "terror attack" that didn't happen is correct, but yet, that's what the media is strongly pushing. Strange.
I'll be judging Trump on his outcomes, similar to what I did with Obama.
Words are cheap.
In the meantime, when I have the time and can take a little entertainment from it, I'll hold up a mirror for the left to see their hysterics and logical fallacies. Some of it is rather low hanging fruit.
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