The Democrats & the Constitution
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I don't know how people get on the no-fly list. I have no idea how effective it is. Having said that, the no-fly list doesn't restrict people from traveling, correct?
A friend in Orange County was put on the damned list by mistake because his name matched someone who possibly(?) belonged there. Hell, Stephen Hayes/The Weekly Standard was put on the damned thing because he/wife took a one-way flight to Turkey to catch a cruise. I'm sure hundreds of more examples are out there to support that this is just another colossal cluster-f*ck.
Are you OK with being required to have a drivers license to drive? That is clearly a violation of freedom of movement.
In regards to this post of yours, the federal government does not have the authority to protect freedom of movement. That is a state issue under the privileges and immunity clause. The Supreme Court has agreed.
Lol, they probably saw the stupid right wing shit you've posted here. I'm surprised they let some of you within 50 miles of an airport.
Don't worry syssy, while you're cowering in the corner with your 30 guns, some real men will defend you. Men tend to protect the vaginas even if they are useless.
Yes, that's what it was. They even mentioned you by name and suggested I be a blind, uneducated lemming like you. I surrendered my guns immediately and pledged my support for more gun control.
They also told me the 30 guns you own are water guns.
Well, in that case let me be the first to thank you in advance of your valor. Inevitable heroes like you should be honored before their sacrifice.
I never indicated I would sacrifice anything for you. You're the expendable type. Somebody would probably have pity for you though.
Windy if your delicate sensibilities are so easily offended you should do what others do and use the ignore feature. It might help unwad those panties.
I am fine with reasonable limitations of rights including no fly lists, drivers licenses, no screaming fire in a crowded theater, etc... Part of life.
How about an ID to vote? Restrictions on abortion? Police profiling? Drug testing and work for welfare?
It's not the same standard for a fugitive from justice or under indictment but not adjudicated.
The watch lists are reasonable suspicion or even less and no judicial overview or due process at all. A fugitive from justice, arrest warrant, or an indictment is probable cause as found by a magistrate....there is your due process.
Right and we accept the limitation on nukes not being constitutionally protected...
So you're saying...there's a mechanism, the mechanism kicks off a process, and within the process is both the Avenue to justify the government's action or rebut the action.
And similar to a null hypothesis, the process itself assumes innocence as status quo until a threshold (however that is defined) is met by the government. If the government doesn't rise to the threshold of validating its action, which is coercive by nature against the individual, then the status quo presumption of innocence is upheld and no rights are coercively taken from the individual.
Seems like that's what I'm reading.
Seems to me that if you get on the list without any due process whatsoever, you're presumed guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Anybody got a problem with that?
Right, but I still have the right to own a gun just like someone on the no-fly list can still travel.
Actually nukes aren't protected by the Constitution. Neither are tanks, artillery, B-52 bombers, etc.
The Constitution protects the right to own "arms." "Arms" referred to small arm weapons that single persons could use in self defense like axes, swords, rifles, pistols, clubs, shovels, knives, etc. Small arms are and have always been well defined.
Specifically not included was "ordinance." "Ordinance" referred to weaponry that required multiple people to operate like cannons, mortars, howitzers, and battleships. Nukes naturally fall into the ordinance category.
For tomorrow's fictional, someone-pulled-it-out-of-their-ass-factoid, we'll get a discourse on how the founding fathers didn't understand grammar and just wasted ink on the first phrase of the second amendment. I can't wait to read medic's "facts" on that one.
Please take the liberty to provide some links to the information not being factual. I've repeatedly schooled you on the Second. Not a problem to do it yet again Cupcake.
I'll humor your blatant ignorance about the "first phrase." Militia? Referred to the whole of the people EXCLUSIVE of the government. Well regulated? Well trained and absolutely no mention of government regulation. After all the Second was included in the Bill of Rights, you know, the documents that specifically limited the federal government. Do you even know why the Second was written and included in the Bill of Rights?
It's all pretty simple if you steer away from moronic liberal talking points and actually read historical material from the period. Federalist Papers might be a good start for you although I suspect it may be well above your reading level. And you're actually a lawyer? That's now about as believable as you owning 30 guns.
Sucks being schooled by a lowly medic doesn't it?
Would you not characterize the ability to challenge the designation as due process (albeit after the fact) so long as it is consistently applied?
Curious how you see no fly constitutionally in general...
Just as a knife is a diminished form of "arm" LA to NY via train or auto is hardly travel - especially in the context of commerce.
Lets see... I am red eyeing to London, ON tonight, then to Seattle Wed. night home Friday evening. The economic impact of not flying == probably $2.5 mln in bookings. Yeah, that seems viable.
I would think due process would start with notification of being placed on the list if due process were to be actually applied.
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