Second Yale accuser comes forward
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No I don't. Not now. Not at the last minute. Clearly Feinstein agreed or she wouldn't have sat on this allegation for 6 weeks. Why aren't you pissed at her? It seems she didn't believe Ford was credible. If she did then she is using this woman for politics. If she really wanted an FBI investigation the letter would have been given to the committee leadership back in July.
But yet you want actual evidence? You need an actual investigation to get actual evidence. How is one suppose to get what you demand without an investigation?
If this was a Clinton up for nomination, would you want a full investigation then?
Feinstein acted like a politician. And you are shocked by this?
She did hand the letter over to the FBI though.
You don't want the FBI investigating this, do you?
Yet, you want actual evidence, huh?
No I'm not surprised by Feinstein. She's a pos. What evidence are you going to find from a vague 35 year old accusation? All "witnesses" named by Ford deny being at the party. Plus she didn't tell anyone for like 30 years supposedly. Now tell me what "evidence" is this investigation going to find? This is bs.
But yet you want actual evidence? You need an actual investigation to get actual evidence. How is one suppose to get what you demand without an investigation?
If this was a Clinton up for nomination, would you want a full investigation then?
Feinstein acted like a politician. And you are shocked by this?
She did hand the letter over to the FBI though.
You don't want the FBI investigating this, do you?
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Yet, you want actual evidence, huh?
@my_2cents, tell us your thoughts on Keith Ellison, the DNC co-chair...
Weird that the Democratic leadership has been so silent on their national party co-chair's allegations of domestic abuse...
Weird that the Democratic leadership has been so silent on their national party co-chair's allegations of domestic abuse...
Ok, this misrepresentation has to stop. Just because a witness says they don't recall a party doesn't mean they deny being at the party. One witness who says she doesn't recall the party also says she believes what Ford is claiming.
With that said, perhaps you are right. Maybe a full investigation won't turn up any new evidence. But, maybe it will. Isn't it worth it? Again, we are talking about a life time appointment to the Supreme Court. We now have two women making claims.
Why the opposition to a full investigation by the FBI and testimony to the committee by all the principals?
Lol...
Still another male classmate who Ramirez claims egged on Kavanaugh to expose himself to her denied any memory of the party in question. In addition, the magazine published a statement by six of Kavanaugh's classmates saying: "We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett."
The statement continued, "In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending."
A female classmate who signed the statement told the New Yorker that Ramirez "is a woman I was best friends with. We shared intimate details of our lives. And I was never told this story by her, or by anyone else. It never came up. I didn’t see it; I never heard of it happening."
Ramirez admitted to the New Yorker that she does not fully remember the alleged incident because she had been drinking at the time. The magazine also reported that Ramirez spent six days "carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney" before telling the full version of her story.
So when #Metoo isn't going so well, let's try #Methree.
Nice attempt at deflection. If you want to talk about Ellison, start a new thread. This thread is about the Supreme Court nomination.
Sounds like a dodge. Threads aren't confined to the OP. Never have been.
So, thoughts on Keith Ellison?
Again, start a thread and I'll give you my opinion. This thread is on the Supreme Court nomination.
Stop trying to deflect away from the topic.
Yes, my post is asking you to start another thread so we can stay on topic. Shocking.
But to indulge you, I agree with Senator Hirono. There should be an investigation of the allegations made against Ellison. A full investigation.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/23/politics/mazie-hirono-keith-ellison-cnntv/index.html
Any other way you would like to try to deflect from the topic of this thread?
So you’re discussing the Supreme Court Republican-nominated judgeship yet needing to use Keith Ellison as a fallback option in rhetorical context because you don’t have anything else.
Sounds suspiciously like a “#Partyiseverything” technique. Just sayin’
Should he be removed from his post in the DNC? Should he bow out of the AG race?
I'm only going to discuss things with one of you. You guys can pick who the spokesperson for Toon's 2 Pennies is.
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Yes, if an investigation proves the accusation to be true. No, if an investigation proves the accusation to be baseless.
That is up to him. However, the voters of Minnesota will have the final say on who will be their AG. And I trust the voters of Minnesota.
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Sure.
If I was Ellison, and I was innocent, I would fully welcome an investigation by the FBI.
Question for you: If the FBI cleared him, would you accept their finding?
As related to this second accuser, based on NY Times article....
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/...rd-testify.html#click=https://t.co/6Qt4UnW4F2
The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/23/...rd-testify.html#click=https://t.co/6Qt4UnW4F2
Weird that your quoted post had Toon as the poster instead of me. Shouldn't he be removed until an investigation is completed? Should he really be representing the DNC with the allegations against him?
So if the voters elect him, his accusations go away? Does that mean that a Senate confirmation of Kavanaugh makes his accusations go away too?
A full investigation.
Again, I would think everyone would support it, especially Kavanaugh!
Do you really think the FBI is going to investigate allegations of domestic abuse?
You're guzzling a false narrative. The FBI isn't going to investigate and there's a very logical reason why they aren't.
Why should he be removed? I believe in innocent until proven guilty, do you not?
Notice, I said the voters of Minnesota, i.e. the people of Minnesota. If the voters of Minnesota elect him as their AG, that is their business. However, if he broke the law, he should also be held accountable.
Kavanaugh isn't being "elected" to the Supreme Court, now is he? He is being appointed and confirmed and the people will hold their Senators and President responsible for what they do.
You are failing horribly here medic based on what you thought I would say. Stop making assumptions.
The FBI will investigate what they are told to investigate.
But hey if you don't want the FBI investigating it, I'm fine with the BCA of Minnesota investigating it. I just believe there should be a full investigation of the matter.
Do you not want that?
You are looking like a fool right now because you thought I was going to play the partisan card.
Nice try. Can we get back to the topic of this thread now and away from your deflection?
The women will not go to the local authorities because they will be charged IF it is determined they are lying or are bringing false accusations.
Ford has said she will testify but she has also said she will not do so under oath. We will see what she does.
No one has corraberared any of the stories that either woman has. Not even the ones whom they said were there.
Fords accusations may start to get close to assault but if true probably aren't.
There second lady is much Ado about nothing.
Ford has said she will testify but she has also said she will not do so under oath. We will see what she does.
No one has corraberared any of the stories that either woman has. Not even the ones whom they said were there.
Fords accusations may start to get close to assault but if true probably aren't.
There second lady is much Ado about nothing.
From a source that is not a friend of Trump:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-nomination-republicans-should-fight/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-nomination-republicans-should-fight/
The lady has had 35 YEARS to have this investigated. So you trying to paint a false dichotomy of either we fully investigate now (delaying the confirmation) or that we want to white wash this is crap. It works great for the general uneducated population and politicians. But the average person sees through this as a last gasp attempt to stop a conservative to the court. period.
Give the accusers their 15 minutes - then vote to confirm him.
You think Democrats in Minnesota will elect a domestic abuser to serve as the AG? That would be hilarious irony.
It was two questions. I didn't make any assumptions of what you'd say. Are you sure you're actually a legal assistant?
You poor thing. You are the partisan card.
The Dems need an investigation to push this past the midterms. That's all this is about. They don't give a rat's ass about these women.
It's total BS. Brett Kavanaugh has had his background investigated many times by the FBI in his adult life and not one peep about these accusations. He's been through the confirmation process for one of the highest courts in the land and not one peep about these accusations.
It's not that I don't believe the women. I just don't believe it was Brett Kavanaugh that did it. These women are at best confused after all these years and are desperate for it to be Brett Kavanaugh, at worst they are lying.
It's total BS. Brett Kavanaugh has had his background investigated many times by the FBI in his adult life and not one peep about these accusations. He's been through the confirmation process for one of the highest courts in the land and not one peep about these accusations.
It's not that I don't believe the women. I just don't believe it was Brett Kavanaugh that did it. These women are at best confused after all these years and are desperate for it to be Brett Kavanaugh, at worst they are lying.
This is why laws have a statute of limitations. Frankly, at this point, even if these assaults were true, so be it. It just becomes sad that these woman sat on such knowledge for 35 years rather than making it known in a manner in which both the victims and the accuser could get proper justice.
