They are all relative and subjective. You are literally basing your view of metaphysical reality on your negative emotional reaction to messaging from "elitists."
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"Climate change is the existential threat to humanity," the former vice president said. "Unchecked, it is going to actually bake this planet. This is not hyperbole. It's real. And we have a moral obligation."
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Scientists have repeatedly warned that climate-change fueled disasters will continue to get worse and parts of the world will become unlivable as global temperatures rise and governments fail to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by reducing the burning of oil, gas and coal.
So now the goal isn't preventing climate change? If the climate isn't changing it would be static by definition.
I'm sorry did you put the part where there are assurances that the climate will remain static absent cars and cows in really small or hidden font?
No. Has the goal changed? Are we shooting to make the earth cooler instead of just preventing it from getting warmer?
I get the sense that you think there's more to climate change than just burning fossil fuels. What else is Team Pilt attacking besides fossil fuels in the quest to not make the climate static but instead prevent it from changing?
So you are telling me this whole "assure us the climate won't change anymore if we just get rid of our cows and cars." was a strawman?
No. It was my own summary of Team Pilt's position on climate change as I understood it. If preventing climate change (no change=static) is no longer the goal, what's the newest goal? It used to be we need to prevent the earth from getting cooler and then it changed to we need to prevent the earth from getting warmer. I thought by all of the recent not hyperbole about "baking" that we're still trying to prevent warming.
Can you point me to the messaging from Team Pilt that says the climate will change regardless of cars and cows? Joe Biden says we'll literally bake (not hyperbole per him) if we don't stop burning fossil fuels. If he's blaming us baking on something other than fossil fuels, he sure hasn't spoken about it.
Hope that helps.
No, I'm confident there's always been extreme weather.
Did you win?
I think it was you - maybe Glove - years ago i was arguing with clouds and finally asked what WOULD convince you, then these alarmists were real The answer was a harbinger of "roughed up" and you or glove finally admitted your mind was closed, period, and anyone talking about it really was talking to clouds.
You'll just keep raising specious arguments because you don't want it to be true. Like the other debates, logic is irrelevant.
So no one is actually making those assurances, they are all in your head. Great.
I think I may be onto something. Hear me out.
The left fears climate change for a legitimate reason. The Neanderthals were likely wiped from existence due to climate change despite hardy attempts to adapt. Today's left is traumatized and rendered non-functional from such tragic things as being "misgendered" or held accountable for their actions. There's no way today's lefties will be able to adapt to changes in planetary temperature like the rest of us. I think it's time to have a little empathy for their impending doom.
Is it not logical to base your reaction on the reality the messenger lives in?
Your house is on fire and your kids are at home by themselves. Are you going to rush home to save them or assume I have no idea what I’m talking about?
I don't see anyone from the Church of Climate Change saying we're going to bake even if we stop burning fossil fuels. Does your dictionary contain the word "inference?"
Believe it or not my beliefs about science are completely independent of the words or actions of Leonardo Dicaprio and John Kerry.
Fortunately there are other sources of truth than Leo and Mr. Heinz
So no assurances made? This is all "inference" in your head? Great
Let me help you...
1. Burning fossil fuels causes the climate to change for the worse.
2. We burn fossil fuels for energy.
3. We should not be burning fossil fuels for energy if we want to prevent the climate from changing for the worse.
Can we agree those are basic tenets of the Church of Climate Change?
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Ok, that's fine. Now, is there messaging from the Church of Climate Change that says we may bake even if we stopped burning fossil fuels?
Yes but hypocrisy by those pushing climate change should not inform your conclusion as to whether climate change is real or not.
Joseph Stalin lived until the 1950s.
I'll take that as a "no."
Why wouldn't the Church of Climate Change disclose that possibility during their regularly scheduled alarmism?
How often to cardiologists disclose the risk of death from falling coconuts?
Should I be inferring that is an assurance from cardiologists that I am safe from falling coconuts?
The reason is because 1. it is extremely unlikely 2. The information isn't actionable 3. it distracts from the extremely likely and highly actionable scenarios.
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How often are they asked about the risk of death from falling coconuts? Most people probably don't ask them about it.
Probably so. I don't know your cardiologist but mine would definitely not sweat the possibility of me getting killed by a falling coconut.
Whoa, hold up. It's extremely unlikely that the temperature will continue to increase if we stop burning fossil fuels? If so, got a link to back that up?
Why isn't it?
Which are?
You would know everything about being a blind swallower. You don’t think what has happened in the Catholic Church has hurt Catholic membership? Stop following the teachings? Or not going to church and practicing their faith in private and to be more questioning of hypocritical men and what they tell you to believe?
It’s getting really hard to differentiate between doomsday cults and climate true believers.
Same batting avg and the same manic belief in the face of each passing deadline.
Same batting avg and the same manic belief in the face of each passing deadline.
Now I'm confused. You get your climate alarmism vis a vis fossil fuels by people that died before fossil fuels came into use?
Both have mental disorders. There’s even a field of study within psychiatry…
https://www.climatepsychiatry.org/
How often do you ask climate scientists about the different scenarios for baking? I am sure they would be willing to go over them with you.
If we stop emitting CO2 today the earth will continue to warm for a few decades until it reaches the equilibrium temperature for the level of CO2 in the atmosphere (If we stop cold turkey today that equates to less than 0.7C more warming). From there the climate will be subject to natural fluctuations. Natural fluctuations over the last 10,000 years have been minimal. Of course unforeseen things can happen but they are unlikely.
What action would you take to prevent unforeseen changes in climate?
Climate change from greenhouse gas
