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[JAY45]

The problem with this whole argument is that we seem to be assuming this kid is a culture buster because he has his hand out.

Is there any indication whatsoever that; other than him saying the quiet part out loud, he would be a lockeroom problem?

It’s feels like we are talking about AJF just bc a 20 year old probably isn’t handling his NIL situation like a pro.

He’s always seemed like a good kid, went for the hometown school, etc.

What if, like Izzak Olejnik, he is looking to improve his game and stakes?

To pretend this sort of thing isn’t already in the OSU lockeroom…or any other lockerrom for that matter seems naive.

Is Ollie Gordon a bad culture guy?

 

[AtownPoke]

The problem with this whole argument is that we seem to be assuming this kid is a culture buster because he has his hand out.

Is there any indication whatsoever that; other than him saying the quiet part out loud, he would be a lockeroom problem?

It’s feels like we are talking about AJF just bc a 20 year old probably isn’t handling his NIL situation like a pro.

He’s always seemed like a good kid, went for the hometown school, etc.

What if, like Izzak Olejnik, he is looking to improve his game and stakes?

To pretend this sort of thing isn’t already in the OSU lockeroom…or any other lockerrom for that matter seems naive.

Is Ollie Gordon a bad culture guy?

I think it’s fairly easy to make the assessment that he’s a culture buster for UNC. He is setting a precedent that you should leverage a pay day and leave if you’re any good. Keck did the exact opposite for UNI

 

[JAY45]

I think it’s fairly easy to make the assessment that he’s a culture buster for UNC. He is setting a precedent that you should leverage a pay day and leave if you’re any good. Keck did the exact opposite for UNI

Do we know what Keck is getting paid to stay?

Again, is Ollie Gordon a culture buster?

OSU would have killed to keep Brandon Garrison. Would he have been a culture buster?

They got in a bidding war for Cisse.

It seems we are impugning his character based on one facet.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

Kids are taking advantage of the NIL all over the place in every sport! There are kids staying in college longer because of it. They can make more playing sports in college than when they get drafted if they come out early. Wrestling does not have a draft. It does not have a professional league where they can make millions and millions of dollars a year during a season like or compared to the sports of basketball, baseball, football, and hockey. The NIL is here and anyone that can take advantage of it to better their future would be stupid to not take advantage of it. Alirez is not stupid. Be mad all you want, be stuck in the past, don't adapt to the changes, and watch the program fall behind and maybe even get to the point of being dropped (although that would be highly unlikely for OK State to be dropped). However, we have all watched the program fall behind the past ten years because of the failure to change and adapt. Last comment on this from me. I am extremely glad to see money like this pumped into college wrestling, because it will only help the sport grow and have security for the future! Rant over.

 

[AtownPoke]

Do we know what Keck is getting paid to stay?

Again, is Ollie Gordon a culture buster?

OSU would have killed to keep Brandon Garrison. Would he have been a culture buster?

They got in a bidding war for Cisse.

It seems we are impugning his character based on one facet.

One thing I’d say is that we should never compare the cesspool that is college basketball to collegiate wrestling.

Another thing is that in regards to Keck, everyone that I’ve seen talk about it says that he stayed for value other than money at UNI because they have no money. He’s a relationship guy. What people were offering him was supposedly the largest bag talked about at that point.

 

[JAY45]

One thing I’d say is that we should never compare the cesspool that is college basketball to collegiate wrestling.

Another thing is that in regards to Keck, everyone that I’ve seen talk about it says that he stayed for value other than money at UNI because they have no money. He’s a relationship guy. What people were offering him was supposedly the largest bag talked about at that point.

Hate to break it to you: it’s all the same at this point.

Look, we are aligned on how we think things should be.

It feels like you are arguing for a purity that just doesn’t exist at this point. Like you, I wish it did.

Parker Keckeisen = Ollie Gordon.

He’s getting paid SOMETHING. Maybe not top dollar, but enough (in his mind).

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

One thing I’d say is that we should never compare the cesspool that is college basketball to collegiate wrestling.

Another thing is that in regards to Keck, everyone that I’ve seen talk about it says that he stayed for value other than money at UNI because they have no money. He’s a relationship guy. What people were offering him was supposedly the largest bag talked about at that point.

If Keckeisen chose to stay at UNI for the relationships and he has made zero money, I 100% respect that. I'd respect it if he is making money there. It was his decision to make, his choice. If Alirez chooses to leave UNColorado because he has the chance to make 500k. I 100% respect that. Just like Keckeisen, it is his choice to make, and he will make it. What I am saying, its not our choice to make and who are we to say what is right and wrong when it comes to this. It's not like staying for relationships or leaving for money is against the law. Who are any of us to pass judgement on the choice they make? We all have choices to make in life and as the great Baz Luhrmann said in the song Everybody's Free (Wear Sunscreen song), "Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's". With that said I wish all of these wrestlers the best of luck! If you have not ever heard the Sunscreen song, there is some really good advice in there! I am showing my age!!!!! haha

 

[chasepollard]

The problem with this whole argument is that we seem to be assuming this kid is a culture buster because he has his hand out. Publicly, has his hand out. It would be just as productive to enter the portal, take visits and have discussions about NIL in private. He posted creating a "sweepstakes" for his talent.

Is there any indication whatsoever that; other than him saying the quiet part out loud, he would be a lockeroom problem? There is no possible way it doesn't cause issue. There is a very well-known Wrestler that felt un-appreciated that threatened to leave his team if he wasn't "taken care of as well as some of these other guys." Alirez has created that same potential scenario at whatever school he ends up at...unless the team doesn't have any AA's in the room.

It’s feels like we are talking about AJF just bc a 20 year old probably isn’t handling his NIL situation like a pro. There are consequences for not handling things well.

He’s always seemed like a good kid, went for the hometown school, etc. 100% agree.

What if, like Izzak Olejnik, he is looking to improve his game and stakes? He could be, and if so, he should've said that instead of making the move completely about money.

To pretend this sort of thing isn’t already in the OSU lockeroom…or any other lockerrom for that matter seems naive. It is and it is probably difficult to navigate as a coach.

Is Ollie Gordon a bad culture guy? OG didn't come out firing on money. His aunt may have, but OG's camp handled it much more discrete than Alirez has. OG is possibly creating some bad culture with his talking amongst his teammates, but it's not on Twitter, Insta or FaceySpace.

So basically, Alirez needs some direction on discretion and business communication.

 

[JAY45]

So basically, Alirez needs some direction on discretion and business communication.

Don’t disagree. Not everyone is surrounded by great people. Don’t know if Alirez is or not.

 

[chasepollard]

Kids are taking advantage of the NIL all over the place in every sport! There are kids staying in college longer because of it. They can make more playing sports in college than when they get drafted if they come out early. Wrestling does not have a draft. It does not have a professional league where they can make millions and millions of dollars a year during a season like or compared to the sports of basketball, baseball, football, and hockey. The NIL is here and anyone that can take advantage of it to better their future would be stupid to not take advantage of it. Alirez is not stupid. Be mad all you want, be stuck in the past, don't adapt to the changes, and watch the program fall behind and maybe even get to the point of being dropped (although that would be highly unlikely for OK State to be dropped). However, we have all watched the program fall behind the past ten years because of the failure to change and adapt. Last comment on this from me. I am extremely glad to see money like this pumped into college wrestling, because it will only help the sport grow and have security for the future! Rant over.

It's not about NIL and the fact of NIL being a part of the deal now.

This 4-man discussion boils down to two of think he should've kept his fingers off the keyboard and approached his NIL options in secret.

 

[JAY45]

It's not about NIL and the fact of NIL being a part of the deal now.

This 4-man discussion boils down to two of think he should've kept his fingers off the keyboard and approached his NIL options in secret.

I’m not saying he handled this well. Never made that argument.

But I also wouldn’t cut off my nose to spite my face if you wanted to come to OSU.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

It's not about NIL and the fact of NIL being a part of the deal now.

This 4-man discussion boils down to two of think he should've kept his fingers off the keyboard and approached his NIL options in secret.

I have not seen his post that you are referencing. For some reason I feel like I seen something on Flo about it, but not a post from him. What did he say?

 

[trapped_in_tx]

I knew it! The moment I mention Kentucky, I would get hate😉😂

As someone who’s first sports love in Stillwater was watching Eddie coach Big Country, I can sympathize with any and all Kentucky hate. 😁

 

[TheJimReaper]

So basically, Alirez needs some direction on discretion and business communication.

Good thing we have a great business school!

 

[chasepollard]

I have not seen his post that you are referencing. For some reason I feel like I seen something on Flo about it, but not a post from him. What did he say?

I have been trying to find it. I don't know what platform was used, and I also don't know how to use most platforms well enough to find the quote.

But the jest of his "post" was that he's all ears to the highest bidder. Whereas to Keckeisen's jest is...well there wasn't one and nobody knows if he is a team guy or a highly paid team guy?

Alirez has set himself up simply as a mercenary.

 

[chasepollard]

I’m not saying he handled this well. Never made that argument.

But I also wouldn’t cut off my nose to spite my face if you wanted to come to OSU.

Not paying one guy to come be a NC or high AA wouldn't be cutting off the nose. But I feel bringing in this one particular guy with the method he's chosen to articulate his wishes would possibly hurt the face not just the nose.

Again, info is so thin right now, I say this as an opinion...but I don't think DT wants mercenaries. He wants guys that want OSU and have Olympic aspirations.

I would do backflips to get Hendrickson and Alirez in the lineup. Alirez would be great for the RTC as well. But I am cool with letting Iowa pay Alirez and we keep a strong/united room...but get Hendrickson.

Most likely, even with those two, it is a second place chase. With the current lineup plus Hendrickson only, we are a stout runner-up. So why chance fracturing your room making the transition to the new guard?

 

[OSUMatFan]

The Keckeisen family must be reasonably well off. I have a place in Colorado and they stay in the same building while we are there. Very nice parents, but they cannot be indigent and stay there. I think most kids want to win and they look at who was winning when they become fans of wrestling are their idols and they are not driven by money. Maybe that changes their last year and they realize then need money to live. The NIL's I am involved with are simply to make it where they can win, wrestling at OK State Possible and not a life of poverty.

 

[OHkie]

I have not seen his post that you are referencing. For some reason I feel like I seen something on Flo about it, but not a post from him. What did he say?

 

[AtownPoke]

Hate to break it to you: it’s all the same at this point.

Look, we are aligned on how we think things should be.

It feels like you are arguing for a purity that just doesn’t exist at this point. Like you, I wish it did.

Parker Keckeisen = Ollie Gordon.

He’s getting paid SOMETHING. Maybe not top dollar, but enough (in his mind).

Money is money but I still disagree. Basketball players aren’t wrestlers. Apples and oranges cultures imo.

In regard to Keck again… All I know is that people with knowledge say that he’s not.

But let’s play this out… say they had 100K to spend on him(which they don’t)… that’s absolutely nothing compared to “best the market has seen”. Saying he’s getting “something” can still be nothing in relative terms.

 

[JAY45]

Money is money but I still disagree. Basketball players aren’t wrestlers. Apples and oranges cultures imo.

In regard to Keck again… All I know is that people with knowledge say that he’s not.

But let’s play this out… say they had 100K to spend on him(which they don’t)… that’s absolutely nothing compared to “best the market has seen”. Saying he’s getting “something” can still be nothing in relative terms.

You know Daton Fix had some healthy NIL, right?

 

[chasepollard]

Alirez on Friday also declined to discuss UNC’s role and place in his transfer situation, saying, “No doors are closed, and I’ll wait and see and come to a decision.”

“All options are on the table,” Alirez added. “I’ll listen to them and take the best offer.”

He said the best opportunity for him includes financial compensation as a wrestler and with considerations on schools. Alirez said he wants to finish his degree. Alirez was studying sport and exercise science at UNC.

“The best place for me that fits, that I like and can be there for an extended period of time,” Alirez said. “Now in the day of NIL where athletes can be compensated and that is huge to set myself for the future.”

That was copied from the Greely paper.

So, I will eat a little bit of crow as it is not what I was thinking he said. I may have been told something from somebody that I trust has good info, I don't know where I got it? But, the phrase I was told or conjured up in my own mind was more of a show me the money type comment and I will take the highest bidder.

So, not as bad as I believed, but still doesn't move my stance on him much. I am all for these guys getting paid, after all, they have the hardest sports job in the country. But I am also a fan of being calculating and discreet when it's needed.

@JAY45 @DEWrestlingFan @AtownPoke and thank you @OHkie for finding that.

 

[chasepollard]

You know Daton Fix had some healthy NIL, right?

Did you hear it from him via social media or print media? Do you know how much it is? Do you know the terms of his agreements?

Which is a different discussion, but I am truly intrigued with the possibilities that exist with setting up these guys for the future and that being part of the negotiation.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

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After reading this article, it is not all about the money. I think people are taking "offer" as strictly money. He talks about a good fit for him, somewhere he likes, and where he can be for an extended period of time. I will assume that he is talking about an RTC when he brings up being somewhere for an extended period of time. He also does bring up the NIL and setting himself up in the future with compensation. I think the "offer" is the package deal. No where do I see him saying the highest monetary bidder will get him. Quote from him below from the article.

“The best place for me that fits, that I like and can be there for an extended period of time,” Alirez said. “Now in the day of NIL where athletes can be compensated and that is huge to set myself for the future.”

 

[CowboyMedic]

Any news on Hendrickson? Haven't seen any confirmation if he's visited Mizzou or Michigan.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

Did you hear it from him via social media or print media? Do you know how much it is? Do you know the terms of his agreements?

Which is a different discussion, but I am truly intrigued with the possibilities that exist with setting up these guys for the future and that being part of the negotiation.

Here are a few.

Daton Fix on Instagram: "Extremely excited to announce that I have signed a NIL deal and will be joining the @vaynersports family! Ready to begin to expand my name, brand, and the sport of wrestling. Thank you to everyone who supports me!"

4,772 likes, 27 comments - _greatest_ever_ on November 13, 2021: "Extremely excited to announce that I have signed a NIL deal and will be joining the @vaynersports family! Ready to begin to expand my nam...".

www.instagram.com

https://pistolsfiringblog.com/wilson-chevrolet-gives-daton-fix-truck-as-part-of-nil-deal/

 

[chasepollard]

After reading this article, it is not all about the money. I think people are taking "offer" as strictly money. He talks about a good fit for him, somewhere he likes, and where he can be for an extended period of time. I will assume that he is talking about an RTC when he brings up being somewhere for an extended period of time. He also does bring up the NIL and setting himself up in the future with compensation. I think the "offer" is the package deal. No where do I see him saying the highest monetary bidder will get him. Quote from him below from the article.

“The best place for me that fits, that I like and can be there for an extended period of time,” Alirez said. “Now in the day of NIL where athletes can be compensated and that is huge to set myself for the future.”

He said "the best opportunity for him includes financial compensation as a wrestler and with considerations on schools."

When that sentence is combined with "best offer" it is reasonable to ascertain that he meant whoever pays him the most.

@CowboyMedic Hendrickson announces on the 20th.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

Any news on Hendrickson? Haven't seen any confirmation if he's visited Mizzou or Michigan.

I heard he will announce his decision on this coming Monday, May 20th!

 

[Inky29]

From all I've heard, these guys are focused on changing the culture for long-term success. Chasing 2nd next year is not a huge priority for what they would consider success. If you can get 2nd through helping guys make a jump in level (JW finish top 5, TS, TJ, JR, CH all make the podium) and get a guy like WH to replace Fix's points in nationals and DP finish top 3 again and dominate, then that would be considered a great year. Simply bringing in a couple of guys to make it look like that's are better because we finished higher than last year isn't a big goal, actually being better is the goal. It would be no different than us bringing in IO last year and people thinking we were on the right path since we finished 10th and not 16th. The product was essentially the same as the year before but fools-gold made folks think we were back on the right path.

No clue if we get WH or AA; I've wanted WH to be a Poke for the last couple of years because I love the way he wrestles. Seems like he would be a perfect HW for how DT likes to wrestle. As far as AA goes, I always took his comment as best offer as not being just about the money. A best offer could be less money but better training partners, better promotion/visability or it could simply be most money. If you want to see it as a most money thing, it's reasonable to infer that's what he meant. I just happen to think the best offer is better translated as best value.

Really don't care what happens with the roster this offseason. Just ready for the CWC to get some new direction and then find out what they are going to need to make things better.

 

[DEWrestlingFan]

He said "the best opportunity for him includes financial compensation as a wrestler and with considerations on schools."

When that sentence is combined with "best offer" it is reasonable to ascertain that he meant whoever pays him the most.

@CowboyMedic Hendrickson announces on the 20th.

That was not quoted. That was the reporter speaking/writing. What Alirez said was............

“The best place for me that fits, that I like and can be there for an extended period of time,” Alirez said. “Now in the day of NIL where athletes can be compensated and that is huge to set myself for the future.”

We can just agree to disagree on this. That too is ok.

That article says that OK State matched Iowa's offer. 500k. OK State just hired one of the best freestyle wrestlers of all time for the USA, and he brought another multi time medalist with him, with probably more to come. And with DT and the financial backing, the RTC at OK State is only going to get better. It will be a place Alirez can be at for an extended period of time! I would have to say OK State has laid down quite a good offer for him! His choice to make!

 

[Chasingthirty-five]

Any news on Hendrickson? Haven't seen any confirmation if he's visited Mizzou or Michigan.

It is weird that we got pics from only 2 schools when he said he has 4 visits. I wouldn’t be surprised if the decision is postponed.

 

[chasepollard]

That was not quoted. That was the reporter speaking/writing. What Alirez said was............

“The best place for me that fits, that I like and can be there for an extended period of time,” Alirez said. “Now in the day of NIL where athletes can be compensated and that is huge to set myself for the future.”

We can just agree to disagree on this. That too is ok.

That article says that OK State matched Iowa's offer. 500k. OK State just hired one of the best freestyle wrestlers of all time for the USA, and he brought another multi time medalist with him, with probably more to come. And with DT and the financial backing, the RTC at OK State is only going to get better. It will be a place Alirez can be at for an extended period of time! I would have to say OK State has laid down quite a good offer for him! His choice to make!

I took that quote from the article from the Greely newspaper, not the one you linked. I am not sure of the reporters credentials?

Yes, I don't mind disagreeing. I would've loved to have him!

The "offer" is better than any other offer he can have for his future at OSU outside of PSU. If I've got Olympic dreams, I am going to get coached by DT but the success of NLWC cannot be ignored.

*how much of the NLWC was DT?

 

[Chasingthirty-five]

how much of the NLWC was DT?

More than what they’ll admit to now that he is gone.

But really I think just having him there since the start of their run is the biggest thing. Being a staple/leader in that room isn’t nothing. Can say that while also thinking they don’t drop off without him.

 

[iowa cowboy]

To your point, and nobody crucify me, but I was a huge Kentucky fan and when John Calipari came in and started recruiting the one-and-doner’s, I stopped liking the team (don’t attack me for being from Kentucky or being a Kentucky fan)

I was a Kentucky fan until 1985, that year Joe B Hall retired and I enrolled at Oklahoma State. Cowboy fan ever since.

 

[tom_v31]

I took that quote from the article from the Greely newspaper, not the one you linked. I am not sure of the reporters credentials?

Yes, I don't mind disagreeing. I would've loved to have him!

The "offer" is better than any other offer he can have for his future at OSU outside of PSU. If I've got Olympic dreams, I am going to get coached by DT but the success of NLWC cannot be ignored.

*how much of the NLWC was DT?

I think OSU will do what it takes to get him here. Our options for legitimate Olympic challengers is scarce outside of PSU. I would like for us to go get some former OSU wrestlers, if there are many still competing. I know Alex Dieringer is still competing as well as a few others.

 

[cearle462]

Apparently Jimmy Kennedy told the Flo crew that they are interested in getting Cap’n America here. So we know they’re going after him. I agree that Alirez would be good for the RTC. Let’s hope they’re both in orange soon

 

[JAY45]

Interesting thoughts from Christian here, including commentary around Alirez.

 

[alex1fly]

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“Best offer” doesn’t mean “highest paid offer and no other factors matter”, he goes into more detail about what he’s looking for in the interview. Dudes being a realist about his several goals, not bragging about NIL $

 

[oklahomaglory]

 

[CowboyMedic]

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It's gotta be us.

 

[JAY45]

It's gotta be us.

Slightly concerned about Michigan
Lots of NIL and adacemic reputation