Mini-Me Declares War On AP African American Studies

[my_2cents]

Trying to look at it from a different perspective.

Here is another perspective to look at too. Some of the opposition to this course is based in a problem we have dealt with for a long time in this country. Flat out racism and bigotry. The bigots on the right will never admit this though, but their continued opposition to anything that supports and encourages African American culture and history exposes their true thinking. They have gotten good at hiding their bigotry, but it is still very much on display for those who pay attention.

And Mini-Me knows he needs their support if he decides to challenge Trump for the nomination. Thus, he does everything he can to appeal to them.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Here is another perspective to look at too. Some of the opposition to this course is based in a problem we have dealt with for a long time in this country. Flat out racism and bigotry. The bigots on the right will never admit this though, but their continued opposition to anything that supports and encourages African American culture and history exposes their true thinking. They have gotten good at hiding their bigotry, but it is still very much on display for those who pay attention.

And Mini-Me knows he needs their support of he decides to challenge Trump for the nomination. Thus, he does everything he can to appeal to them.

Or maybe DeSantis thinks filling our children's heads with hate filled lies is wrong. Hey if you want to believe all the lies being pushed by these obvious anti capitalist, socialist, anti American POS feel free. Hell teach your children what ever you want but leave other kids alone. That's the part you and your leftists authoritarians can't come to grips with, we don't want our kids indoctrinated with your deranged ideals.

 

[my_2cents]

The Declaration of Independence, the American Revolution, the Articles of Confederation, the US Constitution. None of those things took place or were designed for the specific purpose of protecting the institution of slavery.

While I will agree with you that the overall purpose of these documents were not to protect the institution of slavery, you just can't deny that these documents originally didn't seek to end the institution of slavery, and in the case of the Constitution, provided protections for the institution of slavery and those who benefited from it. As @ClintonDavidScott accurately noted in his reference to the three-fifths compromise and Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution.

Also, the high ideals articulated in the Declaration of Independence were only applied to white men for a long period in our nation's history. The history of our nation includes the struggle to apply those ideals to all Americans, not just white men.

It isn't indoctrination to acknowledge all of this and learn about it. It is indoctrination though to ignore all of this, white-wash our history, and act like everything was just perfect for all Americans ever since 1776.

 

[my_2cents]

Why do you suppose a compromise was necessary?

Because of slavery and the refusal of our founding fathers to end the institution of slavery. The compromise also helped get a Constitution adopted that the slavocracy could support.

 

[my_2cents]

This has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with historical accuracy.

So far, you haven't been willing to discuss historical accuracy. All you have done is try to downplay or flat out ignore certain aspects of American history. White-washing history. Doing that which you claim you oppose.

That and completely misrepresenting what an African American Studies course would teach.

 

[2012Bearcat]

While I will agree with you that the overall purpose of these documents were not to protect the institution of slavery, you just can't deny that these documents originally didn't seek to end the institution of slavery, and in the case of the Constitution, provided protections for the institution of slavery and those who benefited from it. As @ClintonDavidScott accurately noted on his reference to the three-fifths compromise and Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution.

Also, the high ideals articulated in the Declaration of Independence were only applied to white men for a long period in our nation's history. The history of our nation includes the struggle to apply those ideals to all Americans, not just white men.

It isn't indoctrination to acknowledge all of this and learn about it. It is indoctrination though tp ignore all of this, white-wash our history, and act like everything was just perfect for all Americans ever since 1776.

LMAO, it's indoctrination to push the ridiculous notion the country was founded to protect slavery.

The founders were widely against slavery, even though many owned slaves. It was the accepted practice of the time and one the economy relied on to prosper. The founders had to make a choice, repeal slavery or create the greatest counry the world has ever seen. The very fact the process to count slaves is called the 3/5th compromise should be a clue.
It's kind of like, no exactly like the left's view on green energy. They want to abolish the use of fossil fuels, which would destroy the economy, even though green energy is nowhere near capable of providing the energy needs of the country. Some real critical thinkers the left is.

 

[my_2cents]

Let me add one other thing. If the country is steeped in racism as most AAS programs teach then the amendment to the Constitution would have gone the other way, making it harder for people of color to participate.

The 13th Amendment was passed during a Civil War where we had half the country fighting to preserve the institution of slavery. They were so committed to protecting slavery that they were willing to destroy our country over it. And even with the traitors not being present in the House to vote, the 13th Amendment still barely received enough votes to pass the House in January 1865.

To deny that racism has not been clearly present in our country since its founding is just denying the truth of history. Our nation has undergone a long struggle against racism and bigotry. And we still are. As the discussion on this thread illustrates.

 

[my_2cents]

Or you could look at the curriculum and see it requires reading authors that are CRT and Project 1619 morons.

So if a certain curriculum requires reading a speech by Martin Luther King Jr., does this mean that the curriculum is based on socialism? Since some claim King was a socialist moron.

If a certain curriculum requires reading a document from Thomas Jefferson, does thia mean that the curriculum is based in supporting slavery, since Jefferson was a slave owner?

If a certain curriculum requires reading the Confederate Constitution, does this mean that the curriculum is based in supporting slavery since the Confederate Constitution did just that?

If a certain curriculum requires reading a speech by Hitler, does this mean that curriculum is based in supporting German fascism?

See how silly your argument sounds when applied to other documents or authors of those documents.

Some of us do not want our children indoctrinated with hate filled lies designed to destroy the country.

What lies are being taught? You don't white-wash history or cultures in an education environment. That is true indoctrination.

btw, again, this is an elective. If you don't want your children taking it, they don't have to. Why do you want to force your regressive beliefs though on all other children and parents in this nation?

 

[my_2cents]

That's the part you and your leftists authoritarians can't come to grips with, we don't want our kids indoctrinated with your deranged ideals.

Who is forcing your kids to take this course? It is an elective! Do you understand what that means?

You are doing exactly what you claim to oppose. You are the one wanting to force all children and all parents to align with your viewpoint on this course. You are the one engaged in authoritarian action at the moment. All because one of your propagandists yelled "CRT" and because you can't come to terms with the truth of history.

 

[2012Bearcat]

So if a certain curriculum requires reading a speech by Martin Luther King Jr., does this mean that the curriculum is based on socialism? Since some claim King was a socialist moron.

If a certain curriculum requires reading a document from Thomas Jefferson, does thia mean that the curriculum is based in supporting slavery, since Jefferson was a slave owner?

If a certain curriculum requires reading the Confederate Constitution, does this mean that the curriculum is based in supporting slavery since the Confederate Constitution did just that?

If a certain curriculum requires reading a speech by Hitler, does this mean that curriculum is based in supporting German fascism?

See how silly your argument sounds when applied to other documents or authors of those documents.


What lies are being taught? You don't white-wash history or cultures in an education environment. That is true indoctrination.

btw, again, this is an elective. If you don't want your children taking it, they don't have to. Why do you want to force your regressive beliefs though on all other children and parents in this nation?

Amazing how the mind of a leftist works.

 

[2012Bearcat]

Who is forcing your kids to take this course? It is an elective! Do you understand what that means?

You are doing exactly what you claim to oppose. You are the one wanting to force all children and all parents to align with your viewpoint on this course. You are the one engaged in authoritarian action at the moment. All because one of your propagandists yelled "CRT" and because you can't come to terms with the truth of history.

Nope, kids are free to do anything they want on their dime but when it comes to tax payer funded education the tax payers have a say. In this case they've obviously said no. If you don't like it I would encourage you to move to a state you more align with.

 

[my_2cents]

The founders were widely against slavery, even though many owned slaves. It was the accepted practice of the time and one the economy relied on to prosper.

The founders were not "widely against" slavery. Some opposed it, yes. Others accepted it and greatly benefitted from it. And they sought to protect it every chance they got.

Yes, our founders could have ended slavery but they chose not to. Instead, the slavocracy in our country was empowered from the get go. It took us a long time to start living up to the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence. And we are still trying to do this, always striving for a more perfect Union.

We literally had to fight a civil war to end slavery. People were willing to kill their fellow country men to preserve the right to own slaves.

This is the truth of our history. Why are you so against learning about the truth? Why do you want to indoctrinate all children with your white-washed false truth of American history?

 

[my_2cents]

Amazing how the mind of a leftist works.

That is the best response you could come up with?🤣🤣

Why don't you address the points I made. I was using your logic. What, can't defend your own logic now?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

I want reparations for my anglo Saxon kin. Think king Charles will give my petition the time of day?

 

[my_2cents]

In this case they've obviously said no.

No, they didn't say no. Mini-Me and his cronies are saying no.

Again, you are the one wanting to force your beliefs on all children and all parents as it relates to this elective course. You are the one supporting authoritarianism and indoctrination. You are doing exactly what you claim to oppose and it is very clear to see.

 

[Ponca Dan]

The 13th Amendment was passed during a Civil War where we had half the country fighting to preserve the institution of slavery. They were so committed to protecting slavery that they were willing to destroy our country over it. And even with the traitors not being present in the House to vote, the 13th Amendment still barely received enough votes to pass the House in January 1865.

To deny that racism has not been clearly present in our country since its founding is just denying the truth of history. Our nation has undergone a long struggle against racism and bigotry. And we still are. As the discussion on this thread illustrates.

Population wise half the country did not fight to preserve the institution of slavery. The north had vastly superior of numbers over the south. That was part of Grant’s calculation when he swept through the south destroying everything in his wake, he knew the south did not have the manpower to stop him nor the wherewithal to recover quickly enough to continue. In addition there was a population within the south that was vehemently opposed to slavery and helped establish the means to slip slaves to the north undetected. Much of what you wrote above is in error.

I know of no one that denies racism was present at the country’s founding, you are making a classic straw-man argument. The argument I have been making is the preservation of slavery was not the primary reason for the Revolution, the writing of the Declaration, the Articles or the Constitutuion. Slavery was far down the priority list of John and Sam Adams, Benjamin Rush, John Dickinson and others. The 1619 Project argues that slavery and racism were/are the primary building block of this country, something so absurd it should have been laughed out of existence from the beginning. It is a sign of the utter insanity of which collectivists on the left suffer and it is very concerning to see any of you defend it out of nothing but blind team loyalty.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Population wise half the country did not fight to preserve the institution of slavery. The north had vastly superior of numbers over the south. That was part of Grant’s calculation when he swept through the south destroying everything in his wake, he knew the south did not have the manpower to stop him nor the wherewithal to recover quickly enough to continue. In addition there was a population within the south that was vehemently opposed to slavery and helped establish the means to slip slaves to the north undetected. Much of what you wrote above is in error.

I know of no one that denies racism was present at the country’s founding, you are making a classic straw-man argument. The argument I have been making is the preservation of slavery was not the primary reason for the Revolution, the writing of the Declaration, the Articles or the Constitutuion. Slavery was far down the priority list of John and Sam Adams, Benjamin Rush, John Dickinson and others. The 1619 Project argues that slavery and racism were/are the primary building block of this country, something so absurd it should have been laughed out of existence from the beginning. It is a sign of the utter insanity of which collectivists on the left suffer and it is very concerning to see any of you defend it out of nothing but blind team loyalty.

Just got off the phone with Greg, Ron and Doug. The collective concentration of buses will be headed northeast.

 

[my_2cents]

I know of no one that denies racism was present at the country’s founding

So why are you so opposed to this being taught? Why do you want to downplay this and act like it isn't true?

Also, racism has been present in our country longer than just the country's founding. It is still present. We still struggle with it.

As for my comment about half the country, you are right, the Union had a larger population and more states. But as you noted about the Confederacy, there were also those that resided in the Union who supported the Confederate cause and wanted to let them form their own country. My comment simply referenced the general divide the civil war caused in our country. There were many in our country who fought a war to preserve the right to own slaves. This is a truth of history.

The argument I have been making is the preservation of slavery was not the primary reason for the Revolution, the writing of the Declaration, the Articles or the Constitutuion.

And I stated that I agree with you about this (i.e. the primary reason), however, the protection of the institution of slavery was present from the very start of our nation. As was racism.

The 1619 Project argues that slavery and racism were/are the primary building block of this country, something so absurd it should have been laughed out of existence from the beginning.

But slavery and racism were building blocks of this country. You can't deny that.

Also, learning about the controversies surrounding the 1619 Project isn't a negative either. There has been no evidence presented that the 1619 Project is part of the interpretive framework for the course itself, and instead, it has been stated that learning about these controversies is simply part of learning about the different interpretive methods advocated by scholars in this field. This is, after all, a college level course.

Here are two quotes regarding this:

"With the caveat that the course is still in development, and that he only plays an advisory role in determining its content, Dr. Gates said that he was “sincerely hoping” that the course would not ignore teaching about controversial subjects, like critical race theory or the 1619 Project.

The 1619 Project, developed by The New York Times, sought to reframe the country’s history by putting the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans at the center of the national narrative. Dr. Gates said that rather than being part of the theoretical framework of the course itself, those topics could be part of a unit “teaching different theories of the African American experience.”

There could, for example, “be a course on Marxist approaches to race,” Dr. Gates said, adding, “and most certainly I would imagine something on critical race theory and maybe something on the 1619 Project.”

He said: “This hypothetical unit would discuss the controversies over different interpretive frameworks used to analyze the history of race in America. I am certainly not advocating employing those theories as interpretive frameworks for the course itself. That’s a big difference.”

"Mr. Williams-Clark, the Florida social studies teacher, works in a state that prohibits schools from teaching critical race theory and the 1619 Project.

Mr. Williams-Clark, who teaches at Florida State University Schools, a laboratory charter, said he sticks to state standards for history and literature and was not worried about falling afoul of laws that aim to restrict education about race.

“I think people need to understand that critical race theory is not an element of this course,” Mr. Williams-Clark said. “As far as the 1619 Project, this course is not that either. There might be elements that cross over. But this course is a comprehensive, mainstream course about the African American experience.”

The First A.P. African American Studies Class Is Coming This Fall

 

[Headhunter]

Dressing up reverse bigotry as African American studies is BS.

Teaching children that they were born racist and must atone their whole life is a f'd up ideology and has to be stopped.

No one is against teaching history but the proganda and white hate disguised as CRT/ African American studies is not history.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

The First A.P. African American Studies Class Is Coming This Fall
[/QUOTE]
You a student or professor? Please tell us all what countries weren't built with slavery or servitude. Woke sumbitch.

 

[my_2cents]

Teaching children that they were born racist and must atone their whole life is a f'd up ideology and has to be stopped.

This isn't being taught.

Stop believing every lie your propagandists tell you.

No one is against teaching history

As this thread has shown, there are many on the right who are against teaching history.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

This isn't being taught.

Stop believing every lie your propagandists tell you.


As this thread has shown, there are many on the right who are against teaching history.

History is one thing. Woke political agenda is another.

 

[my_2cents]

Please tell us all what countries weren't built with slavery or servitude woke.

Many counties were. And we don't deny this when the histories of those countries are taught or when world history is taught.

So why do you have such a problem acknowledging this truth in our own history? Slavery and racism have played a large role in the history of our country and in the history of African Americans. That is our history. That is their history.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Many counties were. And we don't deny this when the histories of those countries are taught or when world history is taught.

So why do you have such a problem acknowledging this truth in our own history? Slavery and racism have played a large role on the history of our country. That is our history.

Who's denying it chucklehead? Smh

 

[Headhunter]

This isn't being taught.

Stop believing every lie your propagandists tell you.


As this thread has shown, there are many on the right who are against teaching history.

You're the one who doesn't know what CRT is and who is behind it.

I know I'm wasting my time. You are a true believer, a fanatic of the new religion of modern times "Wokeism".

It's so ironic how the left doesn't see the similarities between religious fanatics and themselves. They are mirror images of each other.

 

[my_2cents]

Who's denying it chucklehead? Smh

So then you have no problem with a history course or an African American Studies course teaching this truth?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

So then you have no problem with a history course or an African American Studies course teaching this truth?

I've determined yer a woke troll. Along with yer three or four brothers. 🤣

 

[my_2cents]

You're the one who doesn't know what CRT is and who is behind it.

I know what it is.

I doubt you do though. It is just the latest tag word your propagandists use to get you all bent out of shape. Playing on your fears and other regressive beliefs.

 

[my_2cents]

I've determined yer a woke troll. Along with yer three or four brothers. 🤣

Again, you have no problem with a history course or an African American Studies course teaching this truth?

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Again, you have no problem with a history course or an African American Studies course teaching this truth?

Apparently yer stuck.

 

[my_2cents]

Apparently yer stuck.

So no answer huh? Shocking.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

So no answer huh? Shocking.

Welp yer answers? 😂

 

[davidallen]

I never made that claim.

But I’m sure I could explain anything that’s troubling you about whatever point you think you have in a few words that even you will understand.

This is you right?

This is the stuff that scares me.

SARS-COV-2 Vaccines and Neurodegenerative Disease

www.theepochtimes.com

All the studies referenced are linked

 

[davidallen]

I never made that claim.

But I’m sure I could explain anything that’s troubling you about whatever point you think you have in a few words that even you will understand.

And this is yore researcher right?

 

[Alpha Woke]

And this is yore researcher right?

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Spit it out, Chubby’s.

I know that goes against all your instincts.

 

[davidallen]

Spit it out, Chubby’s.

I know that goes against all your instincts.

It's all there. Yore fear driven by <checks notes> an MIT electrical engineer </checks notes> talking Round-Up as the cause of Covid. LOL. That hook has set so deep for so long you don't even know it's there, do you?

 

[Alpha Woke]

It's all there. Yore fear driven by <checks notes> an MIT electrical engineer </checks notes> talking Round-Up as the cause of Covid. LOL. That hook has set so deep for so long you don't even know it's there, do you?

Do you know what a hypothesis is?

Obviously not.

I mean they just drive science forward.

It’s hilarious that you think you have a point, but this fits with every science discussion we’ve had..

How drunk are you?

 

[davidallen]

Do you know what a hypothesis is?

Obviously not.

I mean they just drive science forward.

It’s hilarious that you think you have a point, but this fits with every science discussion we’ve had..

How drunk are you?

So you can defend the hypothesis advanced by Dr. Seneff? At some point, it was substantive enough to instill fear in you wasn't it?

 

[Alpha Woke]

So you can defend the hypothesis advanced by Dr. Seneff? At some point, it was substantive enough to instill fear in you wasn't it?

Your wife must help the kids with the science homework.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Your wife must help the kids with the science homework.

She's a wife. Explains everything.