Iowa
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I agree with your points about lack of improvement over the last half of the season. And I agree Plott was disappointing. But, let’s get real about Iowa being a much better team than us. Look, they won the match, fair enough, but a sudden death loss was the difference. If Plott wins, and he easily could have , oSu wins the match 19-18.
It didn’t go that way and yes its painfully disappointing, but it also wasn’t a beat down so we should not act like it was.
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I actually picked Surber to upset. Pretty disappointing all the way around but was surprised Luke got dominated like that. I know Buchanan is having a great year but it looks like Luke has stopped pursuing offense and is just trying to counter attack for points. He couldn’t do that tonight and couldn’t ride Buchanan. Buchanan’s offense overwhelmed him. I hope Luke can AA but he’s going to have to score more.
I would say Spratley, Jamison, Hamiti and Wyatt have all continued to improve. Hard to be critical on those guys with solid wins at Hawkeye. Fish isn't very good and neither is Young. I bet this loss stung a little for DT and he does what's needed to rebuild next year.
I think there’s a nonzero chance that last year’s Jamison either ekes out a decision or even loses with the way he ended last year. Last year’s Spratley probably doesn’t get the MD. Let down by some of the results, but I think this roster with last year’s staff (or some version of it) takes a worse loss with a worse showing. I think you’re right on the money that nobody is more pissed about the result than DT and the staff and wrestlers,
125: I was impressed with Spratley but he needed to get that TF.
133: Would there have been any difference with Hughes or Reece. I don’t think so. I’m afraid Reece might have gotten pinned.
141: We got the bonus here but Tagan needs to be more aggressive here early. If he does that, he probably could have gotten the TF.
149: I didn’t expect to give up bonus here which is positive but Parco rarely gets bonus points. Carter couldn’t get out from under Parco tonight. We’ve seen this before and it doesn’t bode well for Nationals.
157: Fish is kinda like Reece in he can be feast or famine. I do think he ended the match well and had Teemer on the ropes but he didn’t see those blast double legs coming. Teemer is a score and ride it out guy. Scoring first and being more offensive probably wins Fish that match.
165: Hope Cam isn’t hurt bad. Him getting dinged up early probably cost us the major but he had no offense. Caliendo is tough and I didn’t expect to win this one but losing by Major was when the cracks started.
174: I’m not sure why DT wanted Dean to continue riding Brands after he got to 1.5 minutes. It looked like Dean was ready to cut him but looked over and was told to ride longer. If Dean goes optional start we probably win by Major at 174.
184: Clearly Ferrari’s stance and style messed with Plott. I was surprised he gave up those singles so easy. Tough ending in SV, I thought we got robbed.
197: Really disappointed and thought Luke would perform better.
285: Really wish we had 3 more years of Wyatt…. I hope he can beat Kerk and make the finals.
133: Would there have been any difference with Hughes or Reece. I don’t think so. I’m afraid Reece might have gotten pinned.
141: We got the bonus here but Tagan needs to be more aggressive here early. If he does that, he probably could have gotten the TF.
149: I didn’t expect to give up bonus here which is positive but Parco rarely gets bonus points. Carter couldn’t get out from under Parco tonight. We’ve seen this before and it doesn’t bode well for Nationals.
157: Fish is kinda like Reece in he can be feast or famine. I do think he ended the match well and had Teemer on the ropes but he didn’t see those blast double legs coming. Teemer is a score and ride it out guy. Scoring first and being more offensive probably wins Fish that match.
165: Hope Cam isn’t hurt bad. Him getting dinged up early probably cost us the major but he had no offense. Caliendo is tough and I didn’t expect to win this one but losing by Major was when the cracks started.
174: I’m not sure why DT wanted Dean to continue riding Brands after he got to 1.5 minutes. It looked like Dean was ready to cut him but looked over and was told to ride longer. If Dean goes optional start we probably win by Major at 174.
184: Clearly Ferrari’s stance and style messed with Plott. I was surprised he gave up those singles so easy. Tough ending in SV, I thought we got robbed.
197: Really disappointed and thought Luke would perform better.
285: Really wish we had 3 more years of Wyatt…. I hope he can beat Kerk and make the finals.
Spratley teched Cruz last year 19-2. He was one takedown away from another tech, the results are pretty much the same.
On the podcast this week, Fix mentioned how Plott gives up his legs some and insinuated that could be a problem in this one. And I agree, the reset in SV was crap, but tbh Plott should've already finished the takedown before then
Now why would I let facts get inthe way of a a good narrative?
Cruz has improved from last year and this year was in Carver.
Agreed. Overall disappointed we lost but it came down to one match in OT on the road in a hostile environment.
We dominated at 125, 141, 174, and HWT. Every match we won wasn’t close.
They won a tight matche at 157 and pulled the upset in OT at 184.
Very close match from a team standpoint. Could of gone either way.
Wonder how much money Angelo made himself last night. He should be looking to be the highest paid in that room next year.
Seems like Arnold needs to start looking for another school
I think our Iowa guests have said Arnold should be a 174 next year.
Had a chance to sleep it off and think on it. Disappointed at the outcome, especially with HOW the duel was lost, but man aren’t rivalries awesome? Iowa may be my favorite team to hate in college wrestling, and I say that with all the hateful respect I have.
Yeah but they’re dipshits.
Only about half of em. And I’m not saying which half😉
I believe he already had the advantage (on top) and you only get a 4 count for a mat return or your going to get hit with it....Hate the run if you're actively tryingg to improve, not anyone's fault if the other guys is backing up and trying to push you away...
Some of the nitpicking rules need to be revisited....Never seen so much from the ref with regards to hand clinching, happens all the time but last night we were hit with stalling because of it.
Ok insiders just shoot me but after last night IMO we have a long way to go before we even knock on PSU's door. A question....What went on at 133 with Sakamoto replacing Witcraft? First time out facing #2.
Many of you seem to forget that the NCAA tournament is way different than a dual.........duh....right! We will not match up with the Hawks at every weigh necessarily. I see us a a much better tournament team. Maybe orange glasses but 2nd place is still in reach.
Idk if anyone disputed that? I think we pretty much all agree that it will be a few years until we start challenging them
There are not alot of people that can tell you much about Sakamoto, but there has been a lot of excitement. So there are two/three reasons why Sakamoto was sent.
1. He is whooping Reece in the room. Just a thought, 100% have not heard that.
2. Protection of qualification status of Reece for Philly.
3. Load management and weight class issue. If Reece gets hurt, we go into the post season without a 33 that has the criteria. So, whoever were to replace him at the Big Xiis would have to win enough to get an auto-bid.
On the door knocking question. PSU currently has an all-timer team...literally one of the best ever and could break the point record in Philly. There was to be no door knocking in DT era year 1. Realistically, year 3-4 is when we should expect to challenge. But the dual last night showed we are really, really close to Iowa as the #2. A few calls go our way, we win at Carver. We lost at Carver due to an upset with one of our best guys. Give it some time, it's going to be a fun ride!
You guys are jumping the gun with criticizing Taylor/the program. He’s had how many months to work with a brand new team, culture, group of guys, institution, etc? Not to mention he rented 4 weights? Give him a few years to establish himself and the coaching staff. It’s his first year coaching so I’m sure some mistakes will be made (ie. Rins first match being carver).
OKST scored the best thing possible in the wrestling world with securing Taylor.
OKST was undefeated and dominate all season until last night. The sky isn’t falling.
With Love,
An Iowa guy.
OKST scored the best thing possible in the wrestling world with securing Taylor.
OKST was undefeated and dominate all season until last night. The sky isn’t falling.
With Love,
An Iowa guy.
Another thought as we look to the postseason: curious to see whether Nelson Brands completes his “Joe Smith” arc, I.e. the coach’s son taking over the starting role at the very end of the season only to end up doing diddly squat in the post season.
Welp. Never like to see any of our guys out there taking few shots (Amine, Plott, Surber). Hard to get takedowns when you don't take shots.
There has to be a counter for the Ferrari knee pose, right? Otherwise everyone would do it.
Anyways credit to Iowa. Also I felt like the Iowa coaches and crowd were pretty tame for this one. Plott's potentially dangerous looked like a crock to me though, neither the leg nor the knee were out to the side.
There has to be a counter for the Ferrari knee pose, right? Otherwise everyone would do it.
Anyways credit to Iowa. Also I felt like the Iowa coaches and crowd were pretty tame for this one. Plott's potentially dangerous looked like a crock to me though, neither the leg nor the knee were out to the side.
Just had my Asian friend translate that, he said it says “Brands brothers bump peters”
Yeah, that was a bad call I thought and really, that cost OSU the win. However, don't be in the spot to let a ref make the decision if you win or lose.
Plott is a great, just didn't do a great job against a kid he most likely whooped up 3-4 years ago. I'll still take Plott everytime in that match-up.
I had a great time at the dual last night. Iowa is very hospitable and their fans do a great job of supporting their team with crowd noise. Got to meet Cooper Dejean in the tunnel before the dual, so that was cool. Security let me linger between our bench and the locker room "as long as no one complains and I don't cause any trouble". Quite a few fans from Oklahoma State in attendance. Fun night and it was too bad that a Ferrari cost us the win. Go Pokes!!!
Should have put Amine out there against Ferrari, could have watched them both stand there for 7 minutes
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A play-by-play of 184 from a neutral observer. Bold by me.
184: #3 Dustin Plott (OKST) VS Angelo Ferrari (IA)
Period 1:
Here we go! Ferrari starts off on one knee. Tying up & pushing from both knees. Ferrari back to one knee. Plott drives forward, but Ferrari blocks him off from his knees. Back to tying up & circling. Ferrari up & down on one knee. He spends a lot of time on one knee. More tying up & hand fighting, 30-sec left. It's time for a double stall call. More pushing & fighting to end the period, 0-0
Period 2:
Plott takes down & quickly gets the escape, 1-0. Ferrari goes back to a knee. Ferrari shoots, gets an ankle & finishes the TD, 3-1. Out of bounds & restart. The crowd is loving it. Plott is still down. Blood time for Plott. Plott quickly gets the escape, 3-2, 51-sec left. Plott presses forward & has Ferrari on the edge. Stalemate & restart, 14 sec left. More circling & tying up as the period ends. 3-2 Ferrari
Period 3:
Ferrari takes down. He gets to his feet, but Plott takes him back to the mat. Plott with a hard ride. Stalemate & restart for something. More blood time on Plott. Ferrari is still down for the restart. Ferrari gets to his feet, but Plott brings him back. Out of bounds & restart. Ferrari is still down. He gets to his feet & gets a whizzer. Plott stays with him & gets a leg. Ferrari backs out of bounds. Stalling on Plott? What? Ferrari is still down. Plott with a hard ride. Ferrari back to his feet & rolls, but Plott stays with him & goes over 1-min RT. Ferrari gets to his feet & rolls, but Plott stays with him & rides out the period. RT point Plott, 3-3. Overtime!
SV:
Plott pushes forward. Ferrari shoots, but Plott circles away. Ferrari shoots & gets an ankle. Plott throws in a whizzer. They're scrambling & Plott rolls. They keep scrambling & Plott is working up. Ferrari hangs on the ankle & it's stopped for PD, restart. Ferrari shoots & gets a leg. Plott locks through the crotch. Ferrari keeps working & gets the TD, 6-3
Angelo Ferrari DEC Dustin Plott 6-3 (SV)
Coaches need to start getting into the ear of refs before matches. Ferrari on a knee has a shelf life to me.
184: #3 Dustin Plott (OKST) VS Angelo Ferrari (IA)
Period 1:
Here we go! Ferrari starts off on one knee. Tying up & pushing from both knees. Ferrari back to one knee. Plott drives forward, but Ferrari blocks him off from his knees. Back to tying up & circling. Ferrari up & down on one knee. He spends a lot of time on one knee. More tying up & hand fighting, 30-sec left. It's time for a double stall call. More pushing & fighting to end the period, 0-0
Period 2:
Plott takes down & quickly gets the escape, 1-0. Ferrari goes back to a knee. Ferrari shoots, gets an ankle & finishes the TD, 3-1. Out of bounds & restart. The crowd is loving it. Plott is still down. Blood time for Plott. Plott quickly gets the escape, 3-2, 51-sec left. Plott presses forward & has Ferrari on the edge. Stalemate & restart, 14 sec left. More circling & tying up as the period ends. 3-2 Ferrari
Period 3:
Ferrari takes down. He gets to his feet, but Plott takes him back to the mat. Plott with a hard ride. Stalemate & restart for something. More blood time on Plott. Ferrari is still down for the restart. Ferrari gets to his feet, but Plott brings him back. Out of bounds & restart. Ferrari is still down. He gets to his feet & gets a whizzer. Plott stays with him & gets a leg. Ferrari backs out of bounds. Stalling on Plott? What? Ferrari is still down. Plott with a hard ride. Ferrari back to his feet & rolls, but Plott stays with him & goes over 1-min RT. Ferrari gets to his feet & rolls, but Plott stays with him & rides out the period. RT point Plott, 3-3. Overtime!
SV:
Plott pushes forward. Ferrari shoots, but Plott circles away. Ferrari shoots & gets an ankle. Plott throws in a whizzer. They're scrambling & Plott rolls. They keep scrambling & Plott is working up. Ferrari hangs on the ankle & it's stopped for PD, restart. Ferrari shoots & gets a leg. Plott locks through the crotch. Ferrari keeps working & gets the TD, 6-3
Angelo Ferrari DEC Dustin Plott 6-3 (SV)
Coaches need to start getting into the ear of refs before matches. Ferrari on a knee has a shelf life to me.
Is wrestling from knee illegal? If not, I dont see a problem. I know its not allowed much in freestyle.
