That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing coherent. Are you confused as to who started the aggression on October 7, 2023?
How many Palestinian babies is Israel holding hostage?
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That's probably the most coherent thing you've posted on the subject. You are correct that Hamas should not have done what it did.
And I have never said otherwise. Now to get you to see Israel should not be doing what it is doing. When you condone Israel’s actions while condemning Hamas’s, you come across like a Democrat/progressive/leftist when he says “That’s different!”
Read it again, it makes a very coherent point.
Dan,
In your mind, what response by Israel would have been a valid/acceptable response?
I don’t know what would be an acceptable response. Turn the other cheek? An eye for an eye? Does an acceptable response exist? One thing I do know: it is unacceptable to lay waste to all of Gaza, kill as many as Israel wants until the vengeful bloodlust tapers down. One thing I have said before, and it was echoed in the link I provided above (which I doubt a single person bothered to check out), the history of the conflict did not start on Oct 7th. What Hamas did is unforgivable but it also is not inexplicable, those who insist all Palestinians want to do is kill the Jews have a very simplistic view of the conflict, what Hamas did was believed by them to be justified in response to how Israel has treated them since 1948. It was not justified, but as long as people think the attack just happened because all Palestinians are evil, human animals they are called, who have no goals in life beyond the burning desire to kill Jews there will never be a cessation of the violence. What I would tell Israel to do is immediately end the occupation, immediately end the blockade from the sea and leave the Palestinians to their own device. Build an impenetrable wall between the two territories and never lose absolute vigilance. There are enough known oil deposits right off the Gazan coast that the people can build a satisfying existence without Israeli interference. Would the hatred between the two subside immediately? Of course not, but it has to start somewhere and sometime, and right now would be perfect. The Hatfields and McCoys got over their conflict. There’s no reason to think Jews and Palestinians can’t do the same.
He's clueless. He thinks Israel has been holding Gaza as hostages and committing genocide against them when all they had been doing before 10/7 was trying to keep weapons out of Gaza and in a very restrained manner responding to repeated attacks on their citizens.
Hamas screwed the pooch on 10/7. Isreal will now wipe them out. They use Palestinians has shields and Dan blames Isreal for the death of Palestinians, every death in Gaza is blood on the hands of Hamas and Iran.
The person with the most simplistic view is accusing people of being simplistic.
Dans view is the same exact view of every Subaru driving Wiccans bumper.
”Coexist”
Remove all context and history and just be happy, y’all.
Some deep shit.
In one sentence you say what Hamas did is unacceptable but if Israel does nothing then they encourage more. You point out rightfully that attacking back will only do the same. So what is the solution?
The only solution that will work that addresses Hamas doing what they did, is unconditional surrender from Hamas, and the complete destruction of this organization. After that the population of Ghaza needs to be recolonized in the west bank. I would prefer drop them off at the border of Iran. Leaving them near Israel is probably asking for more of the same.
You want peace, but are unwilling to do what is necessary to achieve it.
I had expected better from you. What you wrote is one of the most mindless sophomoric simplistic explanations of the conflict that is plagiarism from manipulative Israeli propaganda; you’re saying exactly what they want you to say, seeing it exactly as they want you to see it. It is not a situation where one waring side is evil and the other side is Christlike in its goodness. Israel’s treatment of Palestinians has been abysmal and Hamas’s reaction is horrific. Palestinian civilians and Israeli citizens are caught in the crosshairs between two factions that perpetuate crisis, and both sides are to blame. It is astonishing to me that a person with your intelligence can be so naive in perception.
For once we agree. Where we disagree is the fact Israel has every right or justification of doing whatever it needs to wipe out Hamas and to stop the attacks against them once and for all, even if that means the loss of Palestinian lives.
But Israel has *never* “done nothing,” they have always reacted with brute force ten time worse. Has that discouraged more? Recolonized in the West Bank, that’s convenient, let Israel have the Palestinian oil rights. Why not? They took the land, why not the oil, too? Will Israel pull the illegal settlements out of the West Bank, or will it just add to the unarmed sitting ducks the settlers already abuse at will? IMO your solution will accomplish nothing, probably make things worse.
But Israel has *never* “done nothing,” they have always reacted with brute force ten time worse. Has that discouraged more? Recolonized in the West Bank, that’s convenient, let Israel have the Palestinian oil rights. Why not? They took the land, why not the oil, too? Will Israel pull the illegal settlements out of the West Bank, or will it just add to the unarmed sitting ducks the settlers already abuse at will? IMO your solution will accomplish nothing, probably make things worse.
In answer to the question asked in the OP, if you think seriously about it Israel is holding every baby in Gaza hostage. Every single one of them.
Israel shouldn't be defending itself? Sorry Dan, that's their right. It wasn't Israel that invaded Gaza on October 7.
It doesn't. It's nothing but emotional blathering.
At no point have I said Israel should not defend itself. Israel should have been defending itself the night of the attack where the attack occurred. What it’s doing now is not defending itself, it’s unmitigated revenge. An article I saw a day or two ago said Israel had known about the plans for the attack for the better part of a year, but dismissed it as nothing to be concerned about. The IDF relocated its troops a day or two earlier. Israel dropped its guard, Bibi screwed up. But he’s making lemonade out of his own lemons. Hamas has been a threat for years. Israel knows that, but relaxed at exactly the wrong time. If Israel is going to insist to the world it is faced with constant threat and therefore must be eternally vigilant, then it needs to be eternally vigilant. On the night of Oct 7th it was not.
My other comment is a near perfect metaphor for what innocent Palestinians are facing. Instead of saying the only good Indian is a dead Indian today you are saying the only good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth, Dan. And no, it's downright stupid considering how highly you regard your own writing ability.
And now some common effing sense from you! And the best way to ensure there's no future threat is to eliminate it. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, Hamas uses them as body armor. Human shields don't mitigate the threat. They just make the cost of eliminating it higher on those who use them.
Which is why I said drop them off in Iran. Let the country who keeps antagonizing this conflict to take on the people they keep using.
You are way too smart to think eliminating Hamas will eliminate the threat of violence.
I just don't know what you can't figure out about Arab terrorists Dan! You have just made yerself out to be a clown. "Hatfield's and McCoy's"? Seriously?
You’re prevaricating. You implied you know all about Arab terrorists and you couldn’t understand why I don’t. So spill it, Woody. You’re behaving like our dearly departed @davidallen used to.
I can only conclude that when it comes to knowing about Arab terrorists you’re as clueless as you think I am. I’m sorry about that. I was thinking you were going to teach me up.
Ain't no teaching you up sir. Good luck.
Well tell us then, oh wise Dan. You're apparently the expert on Hamas terror. What do you think will stop it?
Hey @Ponca Dan kets do a social experiment I will come to your house rape everyone even you then brand you all as slaves. I might even cut off one of your kids heads in front of you. Then I will haul you on my scooter to my under ground tunnels. It’s good to know you wouldn't want the police called.
I don’t know of a sure fire way to stop the violence. But I do know what happens now does not stop it, and yet it happens over and over again.
Hamas is a brutal sadistic terror organization, and Israel has every right to defend itself against attack, which it does with its own brand of brutal sadistic terror. How’s that working out for everybody?
How's the threat from Nazi Germany these days? Imperial Japan? ISIS? Bin Laden? Just because you're clueless on how to stop terror doesn't mean everyone is.
Here's Dan's shtick. He's a contrarian. He just sits back and complains about what is happening. Yet he never proposes an actual actionable solution. That way his solution can't be criticized. Ht tries to put himself in a position to avoid criticism while being a critic. It's a lazy and cowardly stance. He's not even self aware enough to understand that's what he's doing. And he's arrogant/stupid enough to not do any self evaluation to see this is right.
Apparently not so well for you. I think most of us get that war isn't pretty. You do know Hamas could surrender at any point they choose, right?
What are you talking about, I have offered a solution: Israel immediately end the occupation, immediately end the naval blockade, build an exit-free impenetrable wall between the two territories, live up to its oath to never lose vigilance, which means have military/defense installations across the board, then leave the Gazans the hell alone, have no communication of any kind between the two. Double down on the iron dome. Gaza will be on its own, and it can no longer complain that Israel interferes in its business. Gaza can team with companies that will help it access the huge oil deposits off its shore and take the money to rebuild.
Why should Israel surrender? Let's definitely hear YOUR take on that.
