Have aircraft carriers become obsolete?
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The High band ALQ-137 subsystem of the TEWS of the F-15E will keep the S-300 and S-400s from locking on........the F-22 and F-35 have even more advanced EW systems not to mention they are very stealthy and nothing, not even "stealth " aircraft ever go into a high threat environment without heavy active EW support
Days earlier, the military blogger claimed Russia lost 16,000 troops and 300 armored vehicles in the battle for the key frontline town of Avdiivka.
Traditional Russian military tactic is to throw waves of troops to overwhelm enemy positions. They did it to the Germans and they are doing it to Ukraine.
This was the reason anyone with the slightest historical knowledge and two brain cells knew Ukraine could never defeat Russia. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower. Biden is an idiot for not negotiating and end of hostilities when he had the chance, now Putin is going to take all of Ukraine.
That still does not mean their equipment of equipment or training is any good.........Ukraine cannot stop them by themselves, they may with western equipment....but....we have the GOP in charge of Congress.......don't ever say they are anti-Russian again
I think you are misrepresenting the Republicans in Congress on this one. The House's reluctance to send more money to Ukraine has nothing to do with them being either pro or anti-Russian. It has everything to do with corruption in the US and the Ukraine, and how much money they are willing to throw away to corruption to stop Russia.
It never stopped them before........You either support our allies , or you don't........if you are not going too, then quit acting like you care
Ukraine is not our ally.
If its in our nations best interest, then it is worth it, there is always going to be some corruption, but we have to do what is right and is best for this country, putting a check on Russian aggression with pay much bigger dividends than letting them continue.........we have already tried to just look the other way ....that didn't;t come out very good....we need to stop them as soon as possible......NATO has the capability of doing that, and so does Ukraine with western help
I agree with you. I think if you stop Russia you delay China in Taiwan and the Pacific.
Its not just China......its also North Korea and Iran.........our Military is geared to fight two major "wars" at once....we cannot fight three or four, at least conventionally. It will be much cheaper to give Ukraine what they need now, than deal with the ramifications later if we do not.
Let me ask this then do you think winning there then stops ww3? I kinda fell like Russia and China will team up with those nations if things escalate
Ukraine is our ally...now....if we let them take Ukraine, Putin will most likely then go for the Suwalki gap......using the excuse that NATO is threatening their land route to Kaliningrad.........then we are in a full fledged war
I don't know......but we already tried the other way and that didn't work....we know that
You want to keep the US at the top of the world order, but don't want to do the things we have done to get us there and want to dismantle the institutions which help keep us there
Under what alliance? They are not a member of NATO.
This scares me way more that sea drones do. From a military stand point, the drones are a risk but since they are targeting military targets (like Aircraft carriers) those targets have defenses. But take out a handful of GPS and communication satellites and you'd have the general breakdown of civilian life and services across the United States. You'd have rioting and general chaos across most major cities, which would paralyze the government and cripple our military.
They don't have to be, Kuwait wasn't either, nor S. Vietnam, S.Korea......they are under attack by a country that stands for everything we are against......"enemy of our enemy is our friend"
Now you are starting to speak the truth.
I'm not sure that doing things the way we have done will get us there. I'm convinced of the opposite, that these institutions do need to be dismantled to keep the US at the top of the world order.
WE have to protect our national interests, and help other countries with similar beliefs protect theirs, we cannot do it alone......NATO saves us an unbelievable amount of money , and enhances our security....we will never let Europe fall to the Russians, and having a common defense organization where we train and coordinate together and have the uses of their bases is a great thing.......everyone agrees that all the NATO countries need to do more, and they are,but it is an organization which pays dividends well beyond what we put into it
We have had Nuclear weapons in space, just go look up Starfish Prime and Operation Fishbowl....detonating W49 warheads with a yield of 1.2 Megatons 250 miles in apace......been there...done that.......Cis-Luner is the next theater of combat, that's one reason we are testing DRACO, a nuclear thermal engine........it should be tested in orbit next year...we need a Dynamic propulsion system that can be used immediately when needed and not have to wait to be fueled or launched....
We tested a nuclear rocket engine in the 1960s/70s called NERVA, tested at Jackass flats Nevada, ran full power for 26 minutes,......NASA cancelled project when we traded a Mars mission for the Space shuttle program........the reactor for the NERVA was the size of a large garden shed, now we can get that same power out of a reactor the size of a soda can
And folks were crying about their cell phone interruption yesterday. We're hemmed in Im afraid. NWO.
I agree that we have to protect our national interests. But what are those? Have you taken a moment to figure out what our national interests still are?
I spent 21 years in the USAF, our main adversary was the USSR, I spent 12 of those years in NATO and see how it operates and what other countries put into it and sacrifice for it...we get our money out of it....I have been to many highly classified briefings about Russian equipment,power, ideology...ect .And don't want any country to be forcefully taken over by them.....heck I tried to work for the Ukrainians on their F-16s.....but I am to old........if we don't fully support Ukraine now, we will pay dearly later I am afraid
We are in a new age. You and I grew up in the atomic age. We are way past that now. Quantum mechanics, computing, AI, and AR (artificial reality) all are now the biggest threats to mankind. Americans will have to dramatically rethink what America's interests in the world are.
I'll go deeper, for those who want more, but you can stop there and still get the same point.
We are not fighting Fascism, or Communism anymore. So that's off the table. While I agree that NATO has been very beneficial for all parties in the alliance, it was designed to protect Europe from a communist Russian takeover, which does not exist anymore. So, the original function of NATO no longer exists. However, like other alliances, it has been beneficial after the fall of the Soviet Union. The mission statement for NATO needs to change with the times. What is NATO for and how much does America want to pay for it? I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question right now.
I am left to look at Ukraine as an individual fight outside the context of NATO. Russia is only fighting in the Eastern Ukraine region at this time. If they wanted to take Ukraine, they would still be attacking from the North and the primary objective would be Kieve. The border between Russia and Ukraine is astonishingly long. Why only fight in the East? I would propose that Russia has given up on trying to take all of Ukraine. They would be open to a peace accord that gives them a couple of provinces in the East. Ukraine would still be a buffer for NATO, and you can get that in the accord that any further aggression in Ukraine will result in full support by NATO nations. Would that be in America's interests? With how much we have already spent on a non-ally, I would say yes. I know that Russia will still be taking Ukraine, but they have suffered heavily in this war as well. It's not like Hitler who had a fresh Army to do whatever he wanted to do with. So, while I feel a bit Nevil, I think the circumstances here are not the same. Add in the amount of corruption that is involved in Ukraine and you have some serious issues. The Corruption in Ukraine has caused an American President to be Impeached, the current President will most likely not be re-elected because of it, and inflation to increase in the US slowing the economy way down and threatening a depression, if not a recession. Every American needs to ask, is it worth it?
What America needs to do is figure out what its role in this new age is going to be before we go and spend another 600 billion throwing money at another forever war.
I would propose that it also needs to take a good strong look at itself as the world leader. What kind of leader do you want it to be? What kind of leader does the world need? I have so many other questions that I cannot make a thoughtful determination about these questions.
Why? Because they don't believe Ukraine should have unlimited access to the US checkbook? How many billions have we already sent without offsetting spending. Want to spend billions funding Ukraine, Israel or other foreign wars, offset the spending with cuts and damn sure audit where the money is going.
Remember when Biden all but dared Putin to invade Ukraine and said how it was going to destroy the Russian economy? Only thing he destroyed was the US economy.
That was exactly my point. Take away peoples phones and you will have a societal meltdown.
Russia has no territorial ambitions beyond the borders of Ukraine. The USA has no national interests beyond western Europe. We should stop being the world police. AMericans in 1990 would have thought it laughable that Ukraine in any way was in our national interest.
Ukraine is a future member of both the EU and NATO…….why would Russia stop at Ukraine? You sound like Neville Chamberlain……if yhe west does not help countries like Ukraine, it opens the door for China and N. Korea , why wouldn’t they think we would just abandon Taiwan and S. Korea?
Most of the weapon systems we are giving Ukraine are stuff we wouldn’t use in a conflict. It’s outdated stuff that we have little use for and it’s still effective against Russian forces. Even the SDGBs are a weapon that we don’t even use, yet they very effective…… they are getting 61 F-16s, they are getting them because those countries donating them are upgrading to F-35s . One of the SAM systems we gave them was a system that Taiwan was going to scrap as they were upgrading…… aside from basic ammunition, we are not hurting ourselves. True Republicans were anti-Russian….. they are now just an embarrassment
Republicans were anti-communist. Still are. You're equating one thing for the other, and they no longer correlate.
Ergo why we are in this mess to begin with. What indications has Russia given to be looking to take over all of Europe. Which at this point with the EU what's the difference? As I said before the Russia situation is not akin to the invasion of Austria. Try again.
The intelligence services of several NATO countries believe that is the case and they are in a much better position to know than anyone on this board......I know, you will just say they are trying to get the US scared, but you don;t know that..........personally I think Russia will get Belarus to send troops into the Suwalki gap. If NATO responds militarily , then Russia will use that as an excuse ( they recently announced that any attack on Belarus would be considered an attack on Russia.....I know...very original) ....then they would have an excuse..........
