I didn't see any of them do anything but that's what I hate about the whole fantasy realm you just introduce new reality whenever it is convenient.
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I didn't see any of them do anything but that's what I hate about the whole fantasy realm you just introduce new reality whenever it is convenient.
That makes more sense. Still a hell of an advantage. Its like a game of red rover. Everyone you kill not only eliminates one enemy it adds one to your side.
You didn't see it? They were all behind the NK (well, in front when he turned around to grab Arya by the neck). She stabbed him. He turned into ice chips, then they all turned into ice chips before HBO started showing the Wights falling to the ground and the Ice Dragon collapsing.
The more I think of it, and after the high from last nights episode wears off, the more I am upset how they used the NK and WWs. I always thought they were the main plot in the end (“Winter is coming” and all that). The fact they were basically a subplot to the Thone is pretty disappointing. Winter came for one episode and now back tot he living. Kind of a letdown honestly.
It almost has to go that way though. You only have one shot against an enemy like that. It's get the NK or bust and that only takes about one episode. I get what you're saying about the throne aspect becoming a bigger storyline though and I agree that it sees strange in terms of danger level, but I think it was always the bigger storyline.
The name of the show is GAME OF THRONES. This is how I was expecting this season to play out.
I guess they could have determined who would sit the IT first, then the survivors could have all headed north to fight the final boss, but I think it is just fine this way.
Actually I prefer your second option. Think fighting living vs. dead should be the final battle. Cersei was a crazy bitch and needs to die but the NK is the GOAT. I'm gonna miss him.
Yeah but the very first scene of the entire series was of a WW. You’d just figure they’d play a bigger part than this.
Guess by that point I was just numb to watching thousands of them get cut down. I appear to be a minority of one who just wasn't dazzled zombies and CGI .Then again I don't like superheroes, zombies or vampires. I preferred plot, characters and dialogue. I'm clearly a dinosaur. I look forward to the final three episodes.
I didn't love last night's episode. Enjoyed it, but it wasn't one of my favorites in the series. Liked the prior one much more.
As a viewer, the stakes just seem a little lower now. I mean once you've starred down the Night King, Cersei doesn't seem nearly as threatening.
I do think the Night King and the others got short changed in the show. Hopefully Martin finishes the books and this won't be the only insight we ever get into them. The show can be the show and the books can get in the weeds more.
I do think the Night King and the others got short changed in the show. Hopefully Martin finishes the books and this won't be the only insight we ever get into them. The show can be the show and the books can get in the weeds more.
Exactly about Cersei. Who cares at this point? Also, I would just hang out up in the North for a bit. People will hear what you did and join your cause, and if Cersei wants to challenge you make her come to you. You can rule the 7 kingdoms without sitting on the actual throne.
It's hard to say he got short-changed in the show when he's not even in the book.
All the internets weeping this morning about us not learning more of his backstory, mission, etc seems a little over-hopeful. Without the book to provide all that, it's just crap that the showrunners would be making up. Maybe with GRRM's input and maybe not.
Makes it all the more interesting to me about if and when Martin fleshes out the end game in the books, who the main antagonists will be. "Others" I guess, but do they have a leader and a mission of some sort? Are they hunting the Three-Eyed Raven?
I agree I think this is why GRRM was in no hurry to finish the books before the show. I don't think he gave them the info on the others to be able to showcase this in the show and I think the dudes doing GOT have enough respect for GRRM to not ruin his books. I think now the books end in a total different way and there will be people who die in the show make it in the books. I watched the producers breaking down the episode after the show last night and they talked about how they chose who would kill the NK. They didn't pick Dany and dragon fire because that was anti climatic and they didn't pick Jon Snow because he had already done so much. They chose Arya because we would most likely not be thinking of her in that moment. That tells me this had nothing to do with GRRM vision.
Martin hates the dark lord trope in fantasy and thats why he didn't create a leader for the others.
He wants them to be like a bacteria or force of nature. They aren't supposed to have any ulterior motives. They are weapons created by the COTF to kill that got out of control.
I suspect (maybe Hope is a better description) that GRRM has finished (or nearly finished) TWOW and is waiting until GOT is finished to announce a publishing date. Might be a good way to get GOT fans interested in going out and grabbing the books.
The books have aways done it, now HBO has a well with last night's episode.....
A huge part of the appeal of the books and shows is theorizing with other fans regarding upcoming prophecies/plot lines. It's a disservice to everyone who becomes invested over the years in the story to just pull the rug out of plots that were hinted as major world-shifting events.
Arya becoming Azor Ahia last night was about as underwhelming as it gets considering all the plot points they've injected into the show over the years.
A huge part of the appeal of the books and shows is theorizing with other fans regarding upcoming prophecies/plot lines. It's a disservice to everyone who becomes invested over the years in the story to just pull the rug out of plots that were hinted as major world-shifting events.
Arya becoming Azor Ahia last night was about as underwhelming as it gets considering all the plot points they've injected into the show over the years.
Also interesting to ponder.... did the showrunners feel like an amorphous force of nature was just too nebulous and it needed a leader, whereas a book reader just accepts a force with no leader?
NK worked amazing on TV, maybe you don't need him in a longer story.
From Dan Weiss:
"We’ve seen what the White Walkers do, we’ve seen how they perpetuate themselves and created the wights. If you’re going backwards, well, they made these things … so what made them? We always liked the implication that they weren’t some kind of cosmic evil that had been around since the beginning to time but that the White Walkers had a history — that something that seems legendary and mythological and permanent wasn’t. They had a historical cause that was comprehensible like the way the wars on screen we’re seeing unfold are comprehensible. They’re the result of people, or beings, with motivations we can understand."
I kind of figured Cersei would have to pay in some way for not helping defend the kingdom against the White Walkers. Looks like she was right about the whole deal.
Just came across something interesting on Twitter.
2 episodes ago, Jon was at the Weirwood tree and Arya came up behind him. He said, "How did you sneak up on me"? Night King was standing in the exact same spot last night.
2 episodes ago, Jon was at the Weirwood tree and Arya came up behind him. He said, "How did you sneak up on me"? Night King was standing in the exact same spot last night.
Yeah and Brann gave Arya the dagger where he was sitting last night and told her she would need it more than him.
They also had a scene with Bran in season 1 where he shoots an arrow and misses but Arya out of nowhere shoots one and hits the bulls-eye.
Really well done. That, followed immediately by some of the Dothraki running back terrified, did a great job of setting an ominous tone right after Mel gave us a glimmer of hope by setting the swords on fire.
I think the common theme last night was fear. The Hound cowering, even Grey Worm about to sh!t himself, Arya running scared, everyone was witless with fright when faced with that onslaught.
I think Grey Worm of them all will do something self destructive in order to assuage his guilt of being afraid in that battle.
I think Grey Worm of them all will do something self destructive in order to assuage his guilt of being afraid in that battle.
The shows are at least 2, maybe 3 books behind knowing Martin, so one can't really say who's in or not in the written collection.
The books clearly distinguish wrights and others. So there's a hierarchy of some sort. They also have a deal with Castor for his sons in the books, indicating another point in them being sentient.
Then you have the story about the Night's Watch commander that married an other.
Martin may have claimed the dead were a natural phenomenon, but he definitely didn't write them that way.
The books clearly distinguish wrights and others. So there's a hierarchy of some sort. They also have a deal with Castor for his sons in the books, indicating another point in them being sentient.
Then you have the story about the Night's Watch commander that married an other.
Martin may have claimed the dead were a natural phenomenon, but he definitely didn't write them that way.
Not sure if they will go in this direction or not, but Grey Worm might have been fearful because he is now connected to someone other than his warrior brothers. His love for Missandei might be affecting his ability to maintain the persona as a cold emotionless soldier.
I totally agree that is the root of his fear. He now has something to lose. But that won't make his shame any less.
I think you may be a bit right and a bit wrong with your points.
Martin has said that there is no Night King in his story, so I don't see the books going in the same direction.
However, I think there is plenty of evidence, already, that The Others are more than just a virus spreading across the continent. IMO, they are more of a hive mind species. They are capable of intelligent thought and implementing strategy, but don't have a designated leader. They clearly showed evidence of this when confronting Sir Waymar Royce in the prologue of GOT, and likely at the Fist of the First Men.
There is a fan theory that Waymar Royce physically resembled Jon Snow and was of about the right age, and that they were looking for Snow when they encountered Royce. They want to take Snow captive for some reason, and killed Royce when they determined that he did not have Stark blood. The evidence for this in that he first faced off against 1 of them, then 5 more appeared and surrounded him. They communicated with each other before one of them killed him. Mindless parasitic killers would have just swarmed him and killed him without any delay/communication.
I am seeing/hearing a lot of theories along the lines of "Well, now Arya has a claim to the Iron Throne". I really hope HBO doesn't go in that direction. I like the idea of the throne belonging to the Targs who were supplanted by Robert Baratheon (cousin to the Targs), and Cersei having no legitimate claim other than being in the right place at the right time. If they eliminate Cersei, then turn it over a Stark, it destroys the narrative established in Season 1 and continued throughout the series.
In my mind, there are only 3 legitimate claimants remaining. Dani, Jon and Gendry (as Robert's son).
In my mind, there are only 3 legitimate claimants remaining. Dani, Jon and Gendry (as Robert's son).
So I need feedback from the intelligensia:
Co-workers swear that Starks rose from crypts last night, and I didn't see any such sorcery. I saw plain-ole wights claw through the walls and tear into the crypts and start doing their killing thing, but I didn't see any old dead Starks.
Also read an article this morning that claimed Starks rose.
Verdict?
Co-workers swear that Starks rose from crypts last night, and I didn't see any such sorcery. I saw plain-ole wights claw through the walls and tear into the crypts and start doing their killing thing, but I didn't see any old dead Starks.
Also read an article this morning that claimed Starks rose.
Verdict?
Starks coming out of the coffins was our take while watching
Night King confronts Jon
Night King raises hands palm up to revive dead fighters from northern army to swarm and kill Jon
Dead bodies revive all around Winterfell
At that same time, skeletons begin breaking out of the walls of the crypts.
Verdict: Dead Starks came to life in the crypts.
Additional evidence: For the above ground Wights to break through the walls of the crypts, they would first have to tunnel deep into the frozen ground.
I though Arya saw the wights in the crypt before the night king revive the dead from the battle.
Arya wasn't in the crypt. She was just in the castle proper. Looked like a library of sorts. Had a walking dead vibe to the whole sequence.
And I interpreted it as the Stark skeletons were rising also. I think they even showed 1 still wearing a chestplate.
And I interpreted it as the Stark skeletons were rising also. I think they even showed 1 still wearing a chestplate.
Arya was in the castle. She was being chased by wights from the original army that assaulted the castle. The crypts are deep in the frozen earth with no adjacent rooms/tunnels and only one entrance at the top of a flight of stairs. The only way for those wights to break through the walls would be if they were interred Stark corpses.
I took it as the Starks rose from the dead also.
One funny thing. My wife kept saying of Sam is done and I kept reminding her that we were not watching a zombie flick and they could be bitten or scratched with out becoming a zombie.
One funny thing. My wife kept saying of Sam is done and I kept reminding her that we were not watching a zombie flick and they could be bitten or scratched with out becoming a zombie.
