Good twitter thread here. FBI raid today. What do we make of the timing of it?
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I cannot believe they waited until he died to raid his home, I’ve been watching drone footage over the weeks that show people moving and construction and burning going on on his islands since he went to lock up. Nothing smells right.
So... their defense is incompetence. I called this, and Barr will by god pound the table and raid mansions and issue some statements and beat his chest and the biggest pedophile organizer ever (remember how concerned yall are with sex trafficking?) won't give up so much as a wink because his second suicide attempt worked, if Biff's administration is to be believed. Biff is probably laughing.
Is it too much to ask for you to stop stepping on your dick long enough to have a nice bipartisan thread about bringing entitled pedo scum to justice?
Is it too much to ask for you to stop stepping on your dick long enough to have a nice bipartisan thread about bringing entitled pedo scum to justice?
Seals escorted 007 too and have the tapesIf the FBI is just now getting around to searching his property then MI6 has already been there .
So Ken (Rape U, Slick Willie perjury) Starr is a former Jeffery Epstein attorney.
It’s so interesting that in a city the size of DC, the cast of characters in every major story overlap like its fvcking Mayberry.
Comey’s got dam daughter was point in the Epstein prosecution.
But sure - it’s “binary” republican/ conservative vs Democrat/liberals.
Wake up @Pokeabear @Syskatine. You guys are already conspiracy theorists. It’s just that your conspiracies always fail. Come on in. The water’s fine. Owe nothing to the establishment. You know you want to.
Starr, Comey, exactly what establishment are them and me in? They're both republicans as is the republican president and his appointee the attorney general and head of bureau of prisons. As was Acosta, who let him off during the republican bush admin.
Ya'll have been screaming about this guy for 20 years, and screaming about human trafficking as a pretext for building a wall. I read up on this guy and okay, yeah - he obviously had an infrastructure to molest girls and it seems he may have provided that service to other people. But there have been no other arrests. No high profile nothing outside of his arrest and raids. Then he's dead. This guy really was the real deal, and this is i inexcusable.
I'll be bipartisan, the Obama admin didn't take him out, either. But being bipartisan means if lots of blame and shit piles up on one party then that's where it piles up.
It was curious AF. I read he likely managed $18 bbn of MBS' money but... a jew managing MBS money? How'd he make his $? Were young girls part of the package of services he offered?
I have the same questions. Why wasn't his home raided ASAP to prevent any possible destruction of evidence?I cannot believe they waited until he died to raid his island home, I’ve been watching drone footage over the weeks that show people moving and construction and burning going on on his islands since he went to lock up. Nothing smells right.
I have the same questions. Why wasn't his home raided ASAP to prevent any possible destruction of evidence?
The wacko right is incapable of seeing the other possibilities. Probably Clinton’s fault.
Devils advocate: How do we know it wasn’t?
I’ll say this, the (intentional or not) theater surrounding the Epstein releases, “suicide” and FBI raid has everyone watching and paying attention.
Seems like there are only two logical possibilities.
1). Damnit, we are pissed off that we let Epstein slip through our fingers. We are desperate to make someone pay. Maybe if we raid his island, we will come across some evidence against co-conspirators.
2). Well, we succeeded in taking Epstein out before he could destroy the status quo. Now we have to put on a show to make it look like we wanted to prosecute him and others he was involved with.
Both very possible. I would add a glass is half full option though.
3). They have everything they need and Epstein dying was irrelevant - and the James Bond scene with the FBI on speedboats is put on for show to ensure this spectacle stays center stage.
4). Same as 3 but with Epstein in witness protection.
Not buying those options. His death or "death" already had the spectacle at center stage. No need for any theatrics to keep it there. JMO.
2). Well, we succeeded in taking Epstein out before he could destroy the status quo. Now we have to put on a show to make it look like we wanted to prosecute him and others he was involved with.
Not buying those options. His death or "death" already had the spectacle at center stage. No need for any theatrics to keep it there. JMO.
Not to promote a conspiracy theory, but given the island raid happened a day after his 'death', what if he did go into protective custody and gave them something that they didn't find on the island on their first foray.
Edit: The only reason I have some belief in the possibility of him being in protective custody is the fact he was so quickly removed from the suicide watch list.
BTW, status quo knows no party but is rather the elitist bankers and politicians in my book.
Agreed.100% True.
A lot of jokes about the Clintons killing Eppy, but the truth of the matter is that even if Hillary does have a little murder habit, this was too obvious and too much in the public eye for the Clintons to be the culprits IMO.
This guy has blackmail material on politicians of both parties, celebrities, foreign leaders, British royal family, and god knows who else. This is a real life game of CLUE and the number of people who would hope to benefit by this guy being dead is endless. Even if it's just a matter of convenient lapses in protocol giving him the chance to kill himself, fundamentally it's the same thing. We are being lied to. Every single theory about what happened is by definition a conspiracy theory but one of them, or some combo of them is right.
I am committed to wanting justice regardless of who it affects. I would be very disappointed if it doesn't affect political leaders of every stripe. The Trump angle feels desperately forced and extremely tangential, but I would be the first to spit on his grave if he were legitimately involved. I hope everyone in this thread feels the same way.
I just want to go down the rabbit hole and see where the information leads without trying to make it into political leverage. No doubt it'll wind up being that to some degree in some way, but I just want the elites who participate in this crime against children to be exposed and punished. This has to be something beyond politics.
100% True.
A lot of jokes about the Clintons killing Eppy, but the truth of the matter is that even if Hillary does have a little murder habit, this was too obvious and too much in the public eye for the Clintons to be the culprits IMO.
This guy has blackmail material on politicians of both parties, celebrities, foreign leaders, British royal family, and god knows who else. This is a real life game of CLUE and the number of people who would hope to benefit by this guy being dead is endless. Even if it's just a matter of convenient lapses in protocol giving him the chance to kill himself, fundamentally it's the same thing. We are being lied to. Every single theory about what happened is by definition a conspiracy theory but one of them, or some combo of them is right.
I am committed to wanting justice regardless of who it affects. I would be very disappointed if it doesn't affect political leaders of every stripe. The Trump angle feels desperately forced and extremely tangential, but I would be the first to spit on his grave if he were legitimately involved. I hope everyone in this thread feels the same way.
I just want to go down the rabbit hole and see where the information leads without trying to make it into political leverage. No doubt it'll wind up being that to some degree in some way, but I just want the elites who participate in this crime against children to be exposed and punished. This has to be something beyond politics.
Flight data places Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet on Arabian Peninsula on the eve of the 2016 election
J.K. Trotter, Angela Wang and Shayanne Gal Neil Rasmus/Patrick McMullan via Getty; Shayanne Gal/INSIDER https://www.insider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-jet-spotted-in-middle-east-2019-8
- Flight data recently obtained by INSIDER shows that one of Jeffrey Epstein's private jets traveled to and from the Middle East in November 2016.
- It's unclear where exactly the Gulfstream GV-SP landed, but an aviation expert said it may have been destined for airports in the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, or Oman.
- Journalists, prosecutors, and accusers have repeatedly drawn attention to Epstein's private jets.
- The path of the November 2016 flight could also revive questions about Epstein's rumored ties to foreign intelligence agencies.
- Visit INSIDER's homepage for more stories.
Last month, INSIDER traced the movements of Jeffrey Epstein's private jets since early 2018, revealing a packed schedule between the registered sex offender's four homes and occasional jaunts to Mexico, Morocco, and Slovakia. Newly released flight data, from 2016 and 2017, published here for the first time, further illuminate Epstein's extensive travels — including a mysterious trip to the Middle East on the eve of 2016 election.
ADSBExchange.com; Shayanne Gal/INSIDER
Journalists have long scrutinized Epstein's migration patterns for evidence of his alleged misdeeds and his social proximity to politicians and celebrities. At least one accuser, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, has claimed Epstein abused her aboard his private jets, and used free trips to entice and transport his victims around the world. Prosecutors recently subpoenaedEpstein's personal pilots, after arguing that his appetite for international travel, among other things, rendered him an "extraordinary risk of fligEpstein's alleged death by suicide on August 10, in a New York City prison cell, places an even greater burden on the evidence he left behind. And few records have illuminated more of his activities and connections than those of his private jets.
The election-eve flight to the Arabian Peninsula was in a dataset of aviation signals provided to INSIDER by ADS-B Exchange. The website is one of the few available sources for tracking the movements of aircraft whose owners, including Epstein himself, have taken advantage of a Federal Aviation Authority rule that allows them to block their tail numbers from tracking sites like FlightAware and FlightRadar24.
ADS-B Exchange's dataset covers the 18 months between June 2016, when the site was founded, and December 2017. The site's public archives, however, only go back to January 2018. In lieu of payment, INSIDER agreed to set up an ADS-B receiver in our New York City office and encourage other journalists to do the same.
The November 7, 2016 flight near the Arabian Peninsula
Much like data from 2018-2019, the data from 2016-2017 show Epstein's jets bouncing between New York City, the US Virgin Islands, New Mexico, and Paris. They also show short excursions across continental Europe, to places like Lake Geneva, Zurich, and Strasbourg; and a number of day trips between New York and Boston.
But on November 7, 2016, one of Epstein's jets took a route that it would never take again. Sometime around noon, Epstein's Gulfstream GV-SP lifted off from Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris and flew southeastward, over the Mediterranean Sea, until it reached the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. Fifteen minutes later, around 4pm Paris time, the jet turned north into southern Jordan. The last signal captured by an ADS-B receiver, at 4:06 pm, placed the aircraft slightly north of Jordan's border with Saudi Arabia, flying at an altitude of 41,000 feet.
Almost exactly two days later, the same aircraft reappeared over the southern half of the Sinai, heading in the opposite direction. ADS-B signals indicate it flew back to Paris, landing there sometime after 8:30 pm. Two days later, it flew to New York, where it resumed its pattern of flying up and down the Eastern Seaboard, between New York, Palm Beach, and St. Thomas.
There is no indication that any of Epstein's jets flew near Egypt, Jordan, Israel, or Saudi Arabia after November 9, 2016. There is some evidence, however, that Epstein traveled in the region in past decades. According to flight logs published by Gawker in 2015, the financier and his entourage briefly stopped in Dubai on May 29, 2002, after hosting President Bill Clinton on a multi-country tour of Southeast Asia.
The flight data doesn't tell the whole story of Epstein's travel schedule
The ADS-B Exchange dataset is incomplete in three different ways:
The same data offers hints about the jet's final destination
- We don't know the precise path and altitude of Epstein's jet as it flew over a portion of the Mediterranean Sea. This is mainly because ADS-B Exchange was only a few months old and gathering signals from a much smaller number of receivers. We've illustrated the gap in the map above with dotted lines.
- We don't know where the jet went between 4:06pm on November 7 and 3:47 pm on November 9. Its precise whereabouts during those 48 hours remain unknown.
- We don't know who was aboard the jet, since ADS-B signals do not contain the names of passengers. That means we can't say for sure that Jeffrey Epstein himself was on either leg of the jet's journey. We can be reasonably confident, however, that a pilot in his employ was controlling the aircraft.
The route of the flight is slightly unusual for a private jet navigating the region. The path over the Sinai, with a hard left into Jordan, is a consequence of Israel's uniquely strict airspace regulations. "Israel doesn't issue any overflight permits," said Suran Wijayawardana, the chief operating officer of Alerion Aviation. "Most aircraft would more than likely prefer to fly south of Israel, providing they can maintain an altitude over 31,000 feet over the Sinai Peninsula."
Noting the Gulfstream's flying altitude of 41,000 feet, as captured by the last signal on November 7, Wijayawardana offered an educated guess about its destination: "If the aircraft were heading to Amman," the capital of Jordan, "I would expect it to be lower and well into the descent for the approach.")
"My guess would be any destination from Qatar to Muscat, as it would have started descended to lower altitudes anywhere else," Wijayawardana told INSIDER. Other potential destinations, he added, were Bahrain, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, and Baghdad.
Epstein was close to Middle Eastern leaders and was rumored to have ties to intelligence agencies
It's by no means unusual for multi-millionaire financiers to travel to the Middle East — Epstein had long-standing ties to Israel, including a business partnership with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, and told a New York Times reporter that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman "had visited him many times."