I've seen the "financial misdoing" talk on Intermat and Facebook. Not much here. The "Community" he's referring to is the online wrestling message board community as a whole, I think.OSU people do truly love CS. The fact that he may carry this and ostracize himself from the OSU family is extremely unfortunate. I’d always heard this info came from the UNC side during the process so I honestly hope that’s true if he’s able to get answers.
I hope but it only got on the boards because of talk in the wrestling community at large. This wasn’t something made up on the boards. It was stuff being passed along by people with connections and then it made it to the boards. And as I said earlier, it was always said to have come from UNCs side during the process and then even more so through their boosters and such since then. No telling how these things start.I've seen the "financial misdoing" talk on Intermat and Facebook. Not much here. The "Community" he's referring to is the online wrestling message board community as a whole, I think.
It was left unknown. I’m assuming it’ll be Tan TomWho picked up the phone the day after everything happened? I got slightly lost there.
So what does Tan Tom mean exactly? I see him called that a lot but I’ve never been able to get an explanation.It was left unknown. I’m assuming it’ll be Tan Tom
he often vacations in Aruba after nationals and looks tanned most of the time.So what does Tan Tom mean exactly? I see him called that a lot but I’ve never been able to get an explanation.
Does he believe it hurt his chances at the HC job?UNc is the money stuff not OSU.
If I were CS I'd want to think so, but if I'm a dispassionate person looking at it from the outside, DT was the better choice all along. If I were advising CS and knew that he'd been wronged, I'd focus on UNC and accept the fact that DT was someone the Admin wanted over him. Had nothing to do with the rumors, and impossible to prove anyway.Does he believe it hurt his chances at the HC job?
who wrote that?I understand dirty dealings goes on in business decisions all the time but the statement below simply does not pass the smell test to me:
"Oklahoma State decides to go another direction for their HC hire after one of their own made significant life changes (quit a very good job and moved his family) expecting to get it. Rather than just be upfront with obvious reasons why (chance to hire a game changer), they decide to harm his reputation and kick him when he's down to justify why they did it"
Where did that statement come from? Or are you just surmising?I understand dirty dealings goes on in business decisions all the time but the statement below simply does not pass the smell test to me:
"Oklahoma State decides to go another direction for their HC hire after one of their own made significant life changes (quit a very good job and moved his family) expecting to get it. Rather than just be upfront with obvious reasons why (chance to hire a game changer), they decide to harm his reputation and kick him when he's down to justify why they did it"
maybe take the quotes away. It looks real when in quotesThat's not a real statement - my bad. I'm basically saying if that is that is remotely what is in Coleman's mind, he has the wrong idea.
Added Notes Alsomaybe take the quotes away. It looks real when in quotes
I’m not sure that’s Coleman’s issue. It’s sounds like he was hit with these questions in the interview and he fully believes that he was smeared.College sports is a business. People can not take the business aspect of it personal. Oklahoma State made a business decision to change the stale culture that this team has become. And they brought in the best person to do it. It was time for change!
I would add that changing the direction of a team and culture by hiring from outside is the harder choice for an Administration, and they are to be commended for it and not vilified in any way. I know they had financial help in making the final decision but it makes perfect sense if you strip away fan loyalty.College sports is a business. People can not take the business aspect of it personal. Oklahoma State made a business decision to change the stale culture that this team has become. And they brought in the best person to do it. It was time for change!
I’ve said this from the beginning even though it brings me no pleasure. CS has a high floor but DTs ceiling is out of this world.I would add that changing the direction of a team and culture by hiring from outside is the harder choice for an Administration, and they are to be commended for it and not vilified in any way. I know they had financial help in making the final decision but it makes perfect sense if you strip away fan loyalty.
Agree, and I said that many times on the Iowa forum right after nationals with regard to DT, but if you look past his lack of direct college coaching experience, you see a guy with 15-20 of experience at the very highest levels of the sport, an entrepreneur, and an owner of a high end club. I never saw him as having a ton of weaknesses other than possibly negotiating with boosters and admin over needs, but if you have a vision that people can believe in, someone will fund it.I’ve said this from the beginning even though it brings me no pleasure. CS has a high floor but DTs ceiling is out of this world.
I believe that the rumors were not from OK State but originated in North Carolina and that is why Coleman ended up here in the first place. In other words Coleman wanted to leave North Carolina and reached out to John due to rumors about something that happened in North Carolina. The teaser from X is the problem as people are hearing bits and pieces from the interview and making wrong assumptions. At least that is my take of the situation.Ohio RTC sounds like he just needs something to do right now and he's more doing it because him Logan and J Jaggers have a relationship deeper than wrestling. I hope he rediscovers his love for wrestling there but he sounded adamant he is done with wrestling right now but I hope it's just an emotional response still.
It’s out now if you want to listenI believe that the rumors were not from OK State but originated in North Carolina and that is why Coleman ended up here in the first place. In other words Coleman wanted to leave North Carolina and reached out to John due to rumors about something that happened in North Carolina. The teaser from X is the problem as people are hearing bits and pieces from the interview and making wrong assumptions. At least that is my take of the situation.
It 100% did not originate from Oklahoma State. There was no way the school would do that to him. I didn't consider he would be leaving UNC because the rumors were already swirling there.I believe that the rumors were not from OK State but originated in North Carolina and that is why Coleman ended up here in the first place. In other words Coleman wanted to leave North Carolina and reached out to John due to rumors about something that happened in North Carolina. The teaser from X is the problem as people are hearing bits and pieces from the interview and making wrong assumptions. At least that is my take of the situation.
It 100% did not originate from Oklahoma State. There was no way the school would do that to him. I didn't consider he would be leaving UNC because the rumors were already swirling there.
UNC guys claimed that there were some inconsistencies with some of NIL money while he was there.I'm sorry I've read all this but what rumors are we talking about. Someone catch me up to speed. Clift notes please.
There were issues at UNC for Coleman and he was one of a few people offered the same opportunity at OSU. While one could consider his position as an on the job interview, there was no guarantee offerred to any that they would be the next head coach. Coleman did an outstanding job last year and it likely took the perfect storm for him not to get the job.I believe that the rumors were not from OK State but originated in North Carolina and that is why Coleman ended up here in the first place. In other words Coleman wanted to leave North Carolina and reached out to John due to rumors about something that happened in North Carolina. The teaser from X is the problem as people are hearing bits and pieces from the interview and making wrong assumptions. At least that is my take of the situation.
I don’t disagree with your opinion with the DT hire, but I would disagree your Coleman Scott sentiments. North Carolina is not a hotbed for wrestlingI'm stunned everyone thinks Coleman Scott would have gotten the job if David Taylor wasn't available. A lot of blind loyalty going on here. Look at it this way - no coach with Coleman Scott's record at UNC would ever be considered for the OSU HC job. Ever. Scott's record at UNC was decent to pretty good at best. He was 75-49! Their best finish was what, 16th?!?
Yes he's a Cowboy legend and a great guy but you cannot replace John Smith with someone of that production level. Even last year everyone says he did a great job and obviously he helped but last year's OSU team sucked as well. Scott was not qualified to be the HC at OSU, period. We nailed the hiring with DT.
I don’t disagree with your opinion with the DT hire, but I would disagree your Coleman Scott sentiments. North Carolina is not a hotbed for wrestling
I took him to mean the state isn’t a hotbed that’s supplying UNC and NCST with studs. They have to work pretty hard for wins. No blueblood ease of recruiting or local talent.NC State would disagree with you. They've posted some pretty good #s the last few years.
Still proves his point.I took him to mean the state isn’t a hotbed that’s supplying UNC and NCST with studs. They have to work pretty hard for wins. No blueblood ease of recruiting or local talent.
The problem with NC is that those HC positions are stepping stones to more elite programs. Without home grown talent in NC, UNC and NCST will be wannabes with head coaches looking to attract a better program. A sad truth.Still proves his point.