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OSU should max out about 150 points, all 10 weights in the Top 6, about 16 bonus points or more
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There's something I've wondered about for years and this illustrates it. If they are going to arbitrarily (seemingly) cap the seeds at 33 per weight why don't they just stop at 32 and get rid of pig-tails. I know Sheets placed from 33 and I couldn't have been happier but 32 is enough.
 
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west2east said:
Not really. 141 ACC Matthews #5 but didn't allocate because he was #29 in RPI but the cut line was 28 and he didn't have the winning %.
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I know its a mathematics equations - but it looks like the ACC got completely hosed. Or are they just that down this year?

Edit - just looked at it. Yeah. They're just really bad this year. UNC is having a flux year, Pitt is definitely down from the previous 2 years, duke is duke... and UVA needs to move on from Garland.
 
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There's something I've wondered about for years and this illustrates it. If they are going to arbitrarily (seemingly) cap the seeds at 33 per weight why don't they just stop at 32 and get rid of pig-tails. I know Sheets placed from 33 and I couldn't have been happier but 32 is enough.
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Because the NCAA is stupid.

What did I win? :)
 
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Big 12 Interactive Brackets



Interactive Brackets: use the interactive brackets using the following letters: D, M, T, F (decision, major, tech, fall).

Seed changes: You can change those seeds on the 125R, 133R, 141R, etc. sheets and it will automatically update the team predictions based off of seeds with no bonus factored in.

125 lbs.
#1 Noah Surtin (MIZZ) (14-2, 5-1 BIG 12): 8 CR, 9 RPI, 7 WS
#2 Troy Spratley (OKST) (19-5, 7-2 BIG 12): 10 CR, 6 RPI, 2 WS
#3 Stevo Poulin (UNCO) (15-2, 5-2 BIG 12): 9 CR, 11 WS
#4 Tanner Jordan (SDSU) (21-7, 8-3 BIG 12): 14 CR, 16 RPI, 27 WS
#5 Jore Volk (WYO) (19-6, 5-3 BIG 12): 13 CR, 5 RPI, 17 WS
#6 Kysen Terukina (ISU) (10-6, 4-2 BIG 12): 29 CR, 26 RPI, 30 WS
#7 Elijah Griffin (CB) (18-8, 4-3 BIG 12): 25 CR, 32 RPI, 35 WS
#8 Trever Anderson (UNI) (11-10, 3-6 BIG 12): 26 CR, 21 WS
Conrad Hendriksen (OKLA) (15-10, 2-5 BIG 12): 25 RPI, 43 WS
Jett Strickenberger (WVU) (15-5, 3-2 BIG 12): 30 CR, 20 RPI, 29 WS
Tucker Owens (AF) (11-10, 2-6 BIG 12): 48 WS
Yusief Lillie (UVU) (1-10, 1-7 BIG 12): 67 WS
Ryan Henningson (NDSU) (1-10, 0-7 BIG 12): 66 WS

133 lbs.
#1 Daton Fix (OKST) (13-0, 4-0 BIG 12): 2 CR, 1 WS
#2 Evan Frost (ISU) (15-3, 4-1 BIG 12): 8 CR, 2 RPI, 11 WS
#3 Dominick Serrano (UNCO) (22-3, 7-0 BIG 12): 14 CR, 12 RPI, 14 WS
#4 Julian Farber (UNI) (17-7, 4-4 BIG 12): 18 CR, 5 RPI, 17 WS
#5 Garrett Ricks (WYO) (8-8, 4-2 BIG 12): 39 WS
#6 Hunter Leake (CB) (16-6, 3-2 BIG 12): 25 RPI, 33 WS
#7 Jace Koelzer (OKLA) (16-10, 2-3 BIG 12): 31 RPI, 41 WS
#8 Derrick Cardinal (SDSU) (18-8, 2-5 BIG 12): 19 CR, 16 RPI, 31 WS
Kade Moore (MIZZ) (10-3, 1-0 BIG 12): 23 CR, 15 WS
Kase Mauger (UVU) (5-8, 2-5 BIG 12): 46 WS
Fernando Barreto (NDSU) (5-10, 2-4 BIG 12): 45 WS
Bubba Wright (AF) (11-12, 0-5 BIG 12): 69 WS
Davin Rhoads (WVU) (2-10, 0-4 BIG 12): 68 WS

141 lbs.
#1 Tagen Jamison (OKST) (18-6, 3-0 BIG 12): 8 CR, 14 RPI, 2 WS
#2 Anthony Echemendia (ISU) (16-4, 3-2 BIG 12): 7 CR, 11 RPI, 9 WS
#3 Cael Happel (UNI) (17-6, 4-2 BIG 12): 9 CR, 7 RPI, 13 WS
#4 Jordan Titus (WVU) (21-2, 2-2 BIG 12): 11 CR, 18 RPI, 15 WS
#5 Josh Edmond (MIZZ) (11-7, 3-2 BIG 12): 20 CR, 30 RPI, 21 WS
#6 Clay Carlson (SDSU) (11-5, 3-1 BIG 12): 23 CR, 27 RPI, 23 WS
#7 Haiden Drury (UVU) (16-8, 5-2 BIG 12): 29 CR, 45 WS
#8 Cole Brooks (WYO) (13-5, 4-2 BIG 12): 30 CR, 35 WS
Gavin Drexler (NDSU) (13-7, 2-4 BIG 12): 32 CR, 33 RPI, 46 WS
Darren Green (CB) (7-9, 1-4 BIG 12): 64 WS
Garrett Kuchan (AF) (7-11, 1-7 BIG 12): 53 WS
Rudy Lopez (UNCO) (3-3, 0-3 BIG 12): 55 WS
Gabe Vidlak (OKLA) (5-5, 0-0 BIG 12): 62 WS

149 lbs.
#1 Casey Swiderski (ISU) (17-2, 3-0 BIG 12): 6 CR, 4 RPI, 6 WS
#2 Ty Watters (WVU) (21-4, 3-1 BIG 12): 7 CR, 19 RPI, 8 WS
#3 Logan Gioffre (MIZZ) (5-5, 2-1 BIG 12): 23 CR, 39 WS
#4 Willie McDougald (OKLA) (13-7, 4-2 BIG 12): 17 CR, 10 RPI, 19 WS
#5 Jordan Williams (OKST) (14-6, 3-2 BIG 12): 18 CR, 22 RPI, 13 WS
#6 Alek Martin (SDSU) (17-8, 5-2 BIG 12): 19 CR, 13 RPI, 23 WS
#7 Maxwell Petersen (NDSU) (18-7, 4-2 BIG 12): 33 RPI, 26 WS
#8 Gabe Willochell (WYO) (17-8, 6-4 BIG 12): 26 CR, 21 RPI, 27 WS
Dayne Morton (CB) (11-11, 3-4 BIG 12): 49 WS
Isaiah Delgado (UVU) (8-12, 3-5 BIG 12): 51 WS
Benji Alanis (UNCO) (10-11, 1-4 BIG 12): 66 WS
Adam Allard (UNI) (6-8, 1-3 BIG 12): 54 WS
Joe Fernau (AF) (9-11, 0-8 BIG 12): 73 WS

157 lbs.
#1 Vinny Zerban (UNCO) (21-0, 4-0 BIG 12): 2 CR, 11 RPI, 13 WS
#2 Ryder Downey (UNI) (17-4, 4-0 BIG 12): 8 CR, 12 RPI, 9 WS
#3 Teague Travis (OKST) (17-4, 4-1 BIG 12): 10 CR, 17 WS
#4 Cody Chittum (ISU) (12-4, 3-1 BIG 12): 11 CR, 17 RPI, 7 WS
#5 Brock Mauller (MIZZ) (13-3, 2-1 BIG 12): 12 CR, 21 RPI, 12 WS
#6 Cael Swensen (SDSU) (17-7, 6-2 BIG 12): 17 CR, 23 RPI, 20 WS
#7 Jared Hill (OKLA) (15-8, 1-5 BIG 12): 31 CR, 39 WS
#8 Sloan Swan (WYO) (13-6, 3-3 BIG 12): 41 WS
Landen Johnson (NDSU) (11-10, 4-2 BIG 12): 54 WS
Caleb Dowling (WVU) (21-6, 1-2 BIG 12): 32 WS
Chaz Hallmark (CB) (9-8, 2-4 BIG 12): 52 WS
Alex Emmer (UVU) (5-11, 1-7 BIG 12): 65 WS
Brooks Gable (AF) (1-17, 0-7 BIG 12): 77 WS

165 lbs.
#1 Keegan O`Toole (MIZZ) (16-0, 5-0 BIG 12): 1 CR, 3 RPI, 1 WS
#2 David Carr (ISU) (19-1, 3-0 BIG 12): 2 CR, 6 RPI, 2 WS
#3 Peyton Hall (WVU) (24-5, 5-2 BIG 12): 8 CR, 21 RPI, 7 WS
#4 Izzak Olejnik (OKST) (21-4, 6-3 BIG 12): 7 CR, 4 RPI, 8 WS
#5 Giano Petrucelli (AF) (18-5, 4-3 BIG 12): 13 CR, 12 RPI, 16 WS
#6 Cael Carlson (OKLA) (16-10, 2-4 BIG 12): 29 CR, 20 RPI, 33 WS
#7 RJ Weston (UNI) (19-8, 2-3 BIG 12): 30 WS
#8 Tanner Cook (SDSU) (7-9, 2-3 BIG 12): 27 WS
Cooper Voorhees (WYO) (13-14, 3-3 BIG 12): 35 WS
Brendan Howes (NDSU) (8-12, 1-5 BIG 12): 28 RPI, 43 WS
Derek Matthews (UNCO) (14-12, 2-4 BIG 12): 45 WS
Jaxon Garoutte (UVU) (8-10, 1-4 BIG 12): 57 WS
Mateo delaPena (CB) (8-6, 0-2 BIG 12): 62 WS

174 lbs.
#1 Cade DeVos (SDSU) (20-1, 7-0 BIG 12): 4 CR, 1 RPI, 4 WS
#2 MJ Gaitan (ISU) (16-5, 5-1 BIG 12): 18 CR, 9 RPI, 9 WS
#3 Peyton Mocco (MIZZ) (10-3, 1-2 BIG 12): 10 CR, 10 WS
#4 Brayden Thompson (OKST) (9-8, 3-3 BIG 12): 20 CR, 25 RPI, 15 WS
#5 Jared Simma (UNI) (14-7, 4-2 BIG 12): 29 CR, 18 RPI, 20 WS
#6 Brody Conley (WVU) (19-5, 3-2 BIG 12): 25 CR, 24 RPI, 33 WS
#7 Tate Picklo (OKLA) (13-11, 3-6 BIG 12): 30 CR, 20 RPI, 31 WS
#8 Gaven Sax (NDSU) (14-4, 3-3 BIG 12): 21 CR, 7 RPI, 19 WS
Aydin Rix-McElhinney (UNCO) (8-8, 1-1 BIG 12): 64 WS
Noah Blake (AF) (11-10, 1-2 BIG 12): 59 WS
Quayin Short (WYO) (11-13, 1-2 BIG 12): 60 WS
Caleb Uhlenhopp (UVU) (8-10, 1-6 BIG 12): 70 WS
Peter Acciardi (CB) (5-8, 0-3 BIG 12): 66 WS

184 lbs.
#1 Parker Keckeisen (UNI) (23-0, 6-0 BIG 12): 1 CR, 1 RPI, 1 WS
#2 Dustin Plott (OKST) (24-2, 6-1 BIG 12): 2 CR, 2 RPI, 2 WS
#3 Bennett Berge (SDSU) (15-3, 5-1 BIG 12): 8 CR, 5 RPI, 11 WS
#4 Will Feldkamp (ISU) (10-6, 4-2 BIG 12): 10 CR, 4 RPI, 8 WS
#5 Sam Wolf (AF) (14-3, 4-3 BIG 12): 11 CR, 6 RPI, 15 WS
#6 Clayton Whiting (MIZZ) (13-5, 1-3 BIG 12): 17 CR, 14 WS
#7 Dennis Robin (WVU) (19-9, 1-3 BIG 12): 30 CR, 21 RPI, 35 WS
#8 Ethan Ducca (WYO) (7-3, 2-1 BIG 12): 44 WS
Nathan Haas (CB) (16-9, 3-5 BIG 12): 30 WS
Jacob Armstrong (UVU) (12-6, 2-3 BIG 12): 29 CR, 40 WS
Adam Cherne (NDSU) (6-8, 1-4 BIG 12): 55 WS
Giuseppe Hoose (OKLA) (13-12, 1-7 BIG 12): 32 RPI, 50 WS
Branson Britten (UNCO) (8-6, 0-3 BIG 12): 54 WS

197 lbs.
#1 Tanner Sloan (SDSU) (19-1, 8-0 BIG 12): 4 CR, 1 RPI, 4 WS
#2 Stephen Buchanan (OKLA) (20-1, 4-1 BIG 12): 6 CR, 8 RPI, 6 WS
#3 Rocky Elam (MIZZ) (9-2, 1-1 BIG 12): 9 CR, 9 WS
#4 Evan Bockman (UVU) (16-5, 6-2 BIG 12): 14 CR, 10 RPI, 20 WS
#5 Luke Surber (OKST) (12-4, 1-1 BIG 12): 20 CR, 13 WS
#6 Wyatt Voelker (UNI) (15-4, 5-1 BIG 12): 24 CR, 22 RPI, 25 WS
#7 Joseph Novak (WYO) (18-10, 5-4 BIG 12): 21 CR, 13 RPI, 23 WS
#8 Austin Cooley (WVU) (13-9, 2-2 BIG 12): 29 RPI, 33 WS
Xavier Vasquez (UNCO) (13-7, 2-4 BIG 12): 32 RPI, 44 WS
Julien Broderson (ISU) (7-7, 1-5 BIG 12): 39 WS
Spencer Mooberry (NDSU) (9-11, 1-5 BIG 12): 61 WS
Eli Sheeren (CB) (7-15, 1-7 BIG 12): 65 WS
Calvin Sund (AF) (6-15, 1-5 BIG 12): 67 WS

285 lbs.
#1 Wyatt Hendrickson (AF) (20-0, 5-0 BIG 12): 2 CR, 11 RPI, 2 WS
#2 Yonger Bastida (ISU) (20-0, 4-0 BIG 12): 3 CR, 1 RPI, 3 WS
#3 Zach Elam (MIZZ) (21-1, 6-1 BIG 12): 5 CR, 5 RPI, 5 WS
#4 Josh Heindselman (OKLA) (21-4, 4-4 BIG 12): 10 CR, 7 RPI, 12 WS
#5 Konner Doucet (OKST) (15-7, 4-3 BIG 12): 11 CR, 4 RPI, 17 WS
#6 Michael Wolfgram (WVU) (16-9, 1-5 BIG 12): 20 RPI, 38 WS
#7 Tyrell Gordon (UNI) (8-4, 1-3 BIG 12): 16 CR, 20 WS
#8 Luke Rasmussen (SDSU) (13-11, 3-5 BIG 12): 31 CR, 29 RPI, 46 WS
Chase Trussell (UVU) (8-3, 4-2 BIG 12): 40 WS
Xavier Doolin (UNCO) (9-7, 2-2 BIG 12): 45 WS
Devon Dawson (NDSU) (9-12, 2-4 BIG 12): 34 WS
Kevin Zimmer (WYO) (11-8, 1-2 BIG 12): 55 WS
Chris Island (CB) (5-10, 0-6 BIG 12): 74 WS

Team Standings
1. Oklahoma State - 130.5
2. Iowa State - 125
3. Missouri - 114
4. South Dakota State - 99.5
5. Northern Iowa - 90.5
6. West Virginia - 65
7. Oklahoma - 62.5
8. Northern Colorado - 44
9. Wyoming - 41.5
10. Air Force - 37
11. Utah Valley - 17
12. Cal Baptist - 13.5
13. North Dakota State - 10

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Howie_Fartz said:
Thompson HAS to cut his weight right.
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Is he really struggling making weight or is this just an assumption as to why his performance hasn't met expectations? If he is struggling with his cut the good news is that Thompson has a first round bye so with the 2 hour weigh-in and first round matches he probably has around 3.5 hours until he wrestles. Should be plenty of time to recover and get rehydrated.
 
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Okie_Pat said:
Is he really struggling making weight or is this just an assumption as to why his performance hasn't met expectations? If he is struggling with his cut the good news is that Thompson has a first round bye so with the 2 hour weigh-in and first round matches he probably has around 3.5 hours until he wrestles. Should be plenty of time to recover and get rehydrated.
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I wont say how much he's been letting his weight get up at times because its not a good look and I try to consider that. But yes its a big F"N problem and that's putting it nicely. He didn't cut much of anything in HS and I think he's grown a bit since being at OSU. He has no real experience with weight management and it shows.

And yes, the extra time will hopefully help because Picklo will be gunning for him for sure.
 
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You cant do anything about a kid continuing to grow once they get into the room, but the lack of self discipline is a little discouraging. It sounds like he needs to RS next year and let Plott graduate and then go at 184. That would leave 165 and 174 up for grabs.
 
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Okie_Pat said:
You cant do anything about a kid continuing to grow once they get into the room, but the lack of self discipline is a little discouraging. It sounds like he needs to RS next year and let Plott graduate and then go at 184. That would leave 165 and 174 up for grabs.
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I don't disagree. And having someone like a Jersey Robb pushing you daily for the spot at 184 is probably the best thing that could happen.
 
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Okie_Pat said:
You cant do anything about a kid continuing to grow once they get into the room, but the lack of self discipline is a little discouraging. It sounds like he needs to RS next year and let Plott graduate and then go at 184. That would leave 165 and 174 up for grabs.
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At this rate, we are looking at 197.lbs
 
Howie_Fartz said:
I wont say how much he's been letting his weight get up at times because its not a good look and I try to consider that. But yes its a big F"N problem and that's putting it nicely. He didn't cut much of anything in HS and I think he's grown a bit since being at OSU. He has no real experience with weight management and it shows.

And yes, the extra time will hopefully help because Picklo will be gunning for him for sure.
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He’s not cutting that much weight he just needs to mature a little bit cutting weight and being undisciplined two different things. He is not a big 74 pounder by any stretch.
 
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blair2000 said:
He’s not cutting that much weight he just needs to mature a little bit cutting weight and being undisciplined two different things. He is not a big 74 pounder by any stretch.
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Lmao you can try to split hairs but I'll play along because I don't think he's a particularly big 174 either. But the fact is cutting a sh/t ton of weight every week is the direct result of being undisciplined. He has been horrible at moderating his weight and that leads to horrible weight cutting practices. And that is affecting his performance 100%!
 
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Chasingthirty-five said:
I honestly thought yall were saying the same thing. Blair just a little more protective about it haha
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Blair said he's not cutting that much weight. Yes he is. Unless Blair wants to share what he thinks is "not that much weight" for a 174 D1 wrestler? Bottom line we can argue about it til the cows come home, but the fact is I wouldn't give a damn if it didn't affect his performance. And if he gets it together for B12s and NCAAs I'll shut up about it.
 
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Howie_Fartz said:
Lmao you can try to split hairs but I'll play along because I don't think he's a particularly big 174 either. But the fact is cutting a sh/t ton of weight every week is the direct result of being undisciplined. He has been horrible at moderating his weight and that leads to horrible weight cutting practices. And that is affecting his performance 100%!
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College 174 kids typically stay @10 over until it gets close to match days. if he’s jumping up to @195 each week than he’s doing it wrong and needs to learn how to keep it down.
 
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I can't imagine the coaches letting him get up to 195 during the season and I'm not sure how he could let his weight get that out of control with being in the room almost everyday. But the way you're explaining the situation makes me think that the coaches have a lot less involvement in their weight management than I thought. Which is surprising because even my HS coach was in my ass everyday about my weight.
 
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I can't imagine the coaches letting him get up to 195 during the season and I'm not sure how he could let his weight get that out of control with being in the room almost everyday. But the way you're explaining the situation makes me think that the coaches have a lot less involvement in their weight management than I thought. Which is surprising because even my HS coach was in my ass everyday about my weight.
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I can’t imagine the coaching staff not monitoring the weight of its wrestlers….especially the freshmen. I with Pat, I can’t imagine the staff allowing a freshmen to routinely get to 20lbs over weight during the season.
 
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I can't imagine the coaches letting him get up to 195 during the season and I'm not sure how he could let his weight get that out of control with being in the room almost everyday. But the way you're explaining the situation makes me think that the coaches have a lot less involvement in their weight management than I thought. Which is surprising because even my HS coach was in my ass everyday about my weight.
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You'd be surprised by a lot of the old school mentality still out there that the weight is left up to the athletes and often theres no help from nutritionist etc.
 
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Blair said he's not cutting that much weight. Yes he is. Unless Blair wants to share what he thinks is "not that much weight" for a 174 D1 wrestler? Bottom line we can argue about it til the cows come home, but the fact is I wouldn't give a damn if it didn't affect his performance. And if he gets it together for B12s and NCAAs I'll shut up about it.
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Please do you’ve been using it as an excuse all year for him
 
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Please do you’ve been using it as an excuse all year for him
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And making excuses? No man that’s you lol. You like to blame his struggles on being a true freshman blah blah blah. He would’ve already been replaced if he was at state college with his results. No one expects him to be a world beater but when he looks really promising one match and then does literally nothing at all the next, it’s an issue. And I’m still gonna be nice and not throw out a number but he lets his weight fluctuate way too much. And imo that’s his biggest issue. More than generating offense. I hope he gets it together. I hope he kicks ass this weekend. For himself and for this great team.
 
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