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You just self diagnosed yourself, some you see never committed the original sin, some you see, need no absolution. You admitted your original sin, and evidently said all of your Hail Mary's and Our Father's, good for you! You can live with yourself!
I don't think that would be possible unless I could time travel and be born with a different skin color. Changing it now wouldn't do it. I'm asking how I can lessen the impact of my white privilege on others.
Exactly.
You can try to get other people and institutions not to extend white privilege, but that's about it besides not being racist yourself.
I wouldn't do business with an organization that had racist business practices, but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to try to get institutons to not extend white privilege.
I'm enjoying this convo and I'm trying to learn, but it seems intentionally vague. Could you give an example of what you're saying?
Whatever you like. You have to determine your power/leverage in the situation and bring it to bear in the institution you are trying to change.
More vague. How do I know which institutions I should be looking to change? Is there something specific that you've done as an example(assuming you're white of course)?
Has an economist or some other social scientist calculated a monetary average value per white person of the privilege tied to that race? Mean, median, standard deviations, etc?
You sound like a politician, a lot of words with no real world examples or specifics. If the statement is generic enough it has to be true and full of promise? Give some examples that you have carried out that resulted in real change, if you can preach it, you should have lived it, right? What institutions did you identify as having a problem, and what leverage and power did you bring to bear that resulted in change?
Most of what I have been preaching I have experienced.
If we were all to just acknowledge our food "privilege" and world wide hunger we could cure world hunger by each one of us identifying our power and leverage and bring it to bear on "institituons". I could come up with a whole long list of items just like that, I could get elected on that stuff, despite the fact I have no idea how to solve world hunger. Just make a bunch of recommendations for others to follow with no specifics. Kinda like voting for "change", with no real "change" defined.
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Medic is asking what he can do. I am not telling him what he should do. You are a very poor reader.
I am asking that you give some real world examples seeing you appear to think you have some authoritative judgment in this area and his potential reliance on that judgment.
He is directly asking me questions and I am doing my best to answer them. Definitely not an expert in this area. My goal is to not be part of the problem.
What is "the" problem?
How much do you inherently contribute?
What's the standard of measurement you use?
I am not as convicted as you are apparently. I just do my best not to contribute to the problem.
All these posts by you in this thread and this is what it comes down to? Could have saved us all some time and effort, but I respect your intellectual honesty in this answer, for that I say thanks.
Yeah remember all those times I accused you of not doing enough to fight for racial justice? Boy, that's really coming back to haunt me.
I don't even bring up the subject of white privilege since it obviously confuses stupid people, but I think it is ridiculous how sensitive people are to the idea that such a thing exists.
Well shoot, there goes the graceful ending to a thread that has gotten far too long.
Born a US Citizen Privilege
Born with two parents at home privilege
Born athletic or musically talented privilege
Shouldn't we be looking at these and all of the other things that can benefit a person that they didn't go out and acquire on their own and then force those people to state that they received an unfair break?
Born with two parents at home privilege
Born athletic or musically talented privilege
Shouldn't we be looking at these and all of the other things that can benefit a person that they didn't go out and acquire on their own and then force those people to state that they received an unfair break?
That's where I was before being informed of my privilege, but again, that doesn't seem to be enough in the eyes of some.
Confuses stupid people? Ok. Or it could be that we are trying to digest the latest race issue. I have simply sought what it is. Since it exists, it's either a real problem or it isn't. If it's a real problem then there should be real solutions.
I do know that there has been things done in the past to demote white privilege such as affirmative action, anti-discrimination law, POC specific initiates like the UNCF, etc. How effect have those efforts been and how pervasive is white privilege still in society?
I've seen the extreme want lists and I've seen the there's no such thing slant. I'm looking for some examples from some realistic middle of the road folks to diminish white privilege in my sphere of influence. I'm not an activist but I am one to commit to action.
Can't worry about some too much.
Clearly it does. Witness people claiming that since they worked hard all their life white privilege can't be real.
Is that your criteria for all problems?
I think that we have made progress don't you?
Sorry, but you are on your own on this. You understand you sphere of influence and where you can be effective far better than I do.
"Vote Democrat" seems to be more of a political ambition than one that will diminish Whiteness and white privilege. Nancy Pelosi doesn't scream white privilege so vote for her.
Where do I draw the line? Personal tolerance?
I've read that to be that their hard work got them where they are in life vs their skin color. That isn't an outrageous thought.
I'm a guy of action. If you have sympathetic crashing acute pulmonary edema, I'm going to give you outrageous doses of nitroglycerin to take the preload out of your right ventricle. Real problem and real solution. If white privilege is a real problem, as in it has adverse effects on non-whites, there should be solutions. Affirmative action is a great example.
Yes.
I'm not asking for you to provide a blueprint for my sphere. I'm asking if you have an example of something you've done in yours.
Found this very interesting...
"Vote for Democrats. Exception could be voting for candidates of color in elections where a White person and a person of Color are running for the same position from the same political party."
So vote Democrat, but don't vote for white Democrats if there's a POC running against them. Skin color over perceived competence? I've never considered skin color when casting a vote.
Further...
"Actively fundraise for and campaign on behalf of progressive/radical politicians (especially non-White people), including those running in local elections (school boards, transportation agencies, housing authorities, city councils).
Volunteer with and fundraise for organizations led by directly impacted individuals to support voter registration efforts within their communities. Don’t tell Black, Brown and Indigenous People how or whom to vote for. Use your energy and resources to organize White communities to support progressive/radical politicians and policies."
So fundraise and campaign based on skin color as well. Don't tell POC who to vote for but let them tell you who to vote for.
When exactly did "skin color is meaningless" become "skin color is very important?" Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that website seems to imply that all of political activity should be based on skin color first.
I'll spend more time on that website. First impression is that it appears to be on the more radical side. Do you have any that are more middle ground?
You tricked me again Medic. Some how I went from the easily defensible position of "white privilege exists" to now I have to defending every damn word on a website.
You as an adult, need advice from an anonymous figure on an OSU sports related politics board on how to know whose opinions to value?
Not outrageous, but clearly confused on the topic.
Bookmarking this and holding you to this standard from now on.
I have already told that my middle of the road is simply to avoid contributing to the problem. (also I vote Democrat, since apparently that counts)
