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Voter Fraud

Your gonna have to trust me.... just rented an apartment for my second daughter - primary moved to Co-signer - no id required.
If they didn't verify her credit why did you need to be on the lease? So it's not like they didn't verify. Just because you didn't show your ID is on the lazy agent or possible they were confident they knew who you were.

I also don't see how that relates to voting.

Every state that requires ID will provide it free of charge for those that need it. Many if not all will actually come to person's residence if they are incapacitated and give them one.

You lefties can pull the voter suppression card all you want, it doesn't make it any less ridiculous. Mexico requires ID but they are against it for the United States, that should tell anyone with a brain cell what this is all about.

https://www.snopes.com/mexico-voter-id/

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...ller-says-voters-mexico-must-have-tamper-pro/
 
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You lefties can pull the voter suppression card all you want, it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

Alabama election:

- Inaccurate texts telling people polling places moved
- Voters were wrongly labeled inactive
- Law enforcement intimidation


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Alabama election:

- Inaccurate texts telling people polling places moved
- Voters were wrongly labeled inactive
- Law enforcement intimidation


?????
You're not going to get me to defend government bureaucratic incompetence or dishonest political operatives (Democrats have plenty of these) but I'm going to need to see some evidence of law enforcement intimidation.
 
Experience tells me that people with outstanding warrants aren't usually out fullfilling their civic duties and being responsible citizens.
 
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If they didn't verify her credit why did you need to be on the lease? So it's not like they didn't verify. Just because you didn't show your ID is on the lazy agent or possible they were confident they knew who you were.

I also don't see how that relates to voting.
Nothing to do with voter fraud, that's kinda the point...
 
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Nothing to do with voter fraud, that's kinda the point...
As I pointed out, plenty of other things living people do require an ID of some sort. You tried to weasel out of that reality with some trust me story.

Do you lefties actually believe that people can't produce an ID of some sort to vote because they can't easily get an ID that they use for many other things they do?
 
As I pointed out, plenty of other things living people do require an ID of some sort. You tried to weasel out of that reality with some trust me story.

Do you lefties actually believe that people can't produce an ID of some sort to vote because they can't easily get an ID that they use for many other things they do?
You will need to show me where I said I oppose voter ID in the general sense. Specific cases do show an impact on voter turn out leading one to think that voter suppression is occuring. Voter suppression is a legitimate concern and moves to strengthen voter identification must take this into account.

What percentage of fraud do you think is addressed by requiring identification? It appears to be a relatively modest percentage - are there more fruitful areas to address first including hardening infrastructure in the back office? If you are serious about integrity of the vote, you gotta think more than just about the front end of the process IMO.
 
As I pointed out, plenty of other things living people do require an ID of some sort. You tried to weasel out of that reality with some trust me story.

Do you lefties actually believe that people can't produce an ID of some sort to vote because they can't easily get an ID that they use for many other things they do?
I have a unbelievably large family. 21 aunts and uncles on my Dad's side, 22 first cousins, 25 aunts and uncles on my Mom's side, 42 first cousins. There is every social, economic dynamic, from filthy rich to welfare recipients. I can guarantee there is not a single one who can't produce a valid government ID and would complain if they had to show it at a the voting booth.

Voter ID is the biggest straw man the left has, it's stupid, no one who exists in modern LEGAL society doesn't have some form of valid government ID.
 
Experience tells me that people with outstanding warrants aren't usually out fullfilling their civic duties and being responsible citizens.
Do you think they should be precluded from voting? Maybe traffic tickets aren't sufficient to keep you from voting, but a criminal warrant for not paying child support is? We can probably agree serial killers aren't welcome. Kinda want a get a feel for who you want and who you don't want "doing their civic duty".
 
Do you think they should be precluded from voting? Maybe traffic tickets aren't sufficient to keep you from voting, but a criminal warrant for not paying child support is? We can probably agree serial killers aren't welcome. Kinda want a get a feel for who you want and who you don't want "doing their civic duty".

Nope. If you're eligible to vote, you get to vote.

I'm referring to the sort of people who see a police car and get nervous that the police have finally caught up with them. Not the "oh by the way, you have an outstanding warrant for that unpaid parking ticket you got for parking 30 minutes in the 15 minute loading zone outside Wilham in 1987" kind.

I'm related to a couple of the first kind. Ever seen someone get taken to their grandparent's funeral in chains and handcuffs?
 
What percentage of fraud do you think is addressed by requiring identification? It appears to be a relatively modest percentage - are there more fruitful areas to address first including hardening infrastructure in the back office? If you are serious about integrity of the vote, you gotta think more than just about the front end of the process IMO.
Requiring some form of identification to vote is fruit so low hanging that it sits on the ground like cantaloupe. Pass a law. List the ID options. You're required to present one prior to stepping into the booth.

And yes, our back office definitely needs tons of work. Front end fraud is small scale compared to the possibilities on the back end, but it's still fraud.

These can happen simultaneously.
 
Requiring some form of identification to vote is fruit so low hanging that it sits on the ground like cantaloupe. Pass a law. List the ID options. You're required to present one prior to stepping into the booth.

And yes, our back office definitely needs tons of work. Front end fraud is small scale compared to the possibilities on the back end, but it's still fraud.

These can happen simultaneously.
Apparently they can't - at least not by the clown car that was Trumps voter fraud commission.
 
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