Trump press conference today

[GL97]

I think it unlikely, but possible, that Flynn didn't talk to the Russians about sanctions and lied to Pence about something else. I also think it is unlikely, but possible that Pence knew exactly what Flynn was doing.

I agree with the second possibility and actually believe it is a real possibility.

However, regarding the first possibility, why would the Trump White House want to bring the Russia scandal back to the forefront if Flynn was fired for something else? The only reason I could imagine for that would be what Flynn was fired for was something a lot worse than the Russia scandal.

 

[Medic007]

Don't leave anything like this laying around the furious, deranged and butthurt left right now.

Lol. Good one. I laughed out loud.

 

[GL97]

n/m

 

[CowboyJD]

I agree with the second possibility and actually believe it is a real possibility.

However, regarding the first possibility, why would the Trump White House want to bring the Russia scandal back to the forefront if Flynn was fired for something else? The only reason I could imagine for that would be what Flynn was fired for was something a lot worse than the Russia scandal.

What in the world do you mean with "Trump White House want to bring the Russia scandal back to the forefront"?

They didn't voluntarily bring this scandal to the forefront.

The Russia scandal was brought to the forefront by media reports and leaks. I think it is entirely possible that but for that, Flynn might have survived lying to Pence about whatever he did.

 

[GL97]

What in the world do you mean with "Trump White House want to bring the Russia scandal back to the forefront"?

They didn't voluntarily bring this scandal to the forefront.

They brought it back to the forefront by the resignation of Flynn and the reason they gave for that resignation. Trump asked Flynn to resign. Trump's White House sells it as lying to Pence about Russia.

If Flynn was asked to resign for another reason, why not say that reason instead of going down the Russia road?

 

[07pilt]

And I want an investigation....a BIG freaking investigation.

On Flynn.

On the source of the leaks.

All of it.

Really? Maybe I am getting soft in my old age but this seems like a nothing burger.

 

[CowboyJD]

They brought it back to the forefront by the resignation of Flynn and the reason they gave for that resignation. Trump asked Flynn to resign. Trump's White House sells it as lying to Pence about Russia.

If Flynn was asked for another reason, why not say that reason instead of going down the Russia road?

Trump asked Flynn to resign because he had become a political liability due to news reports. Not to reraise the Russian scandal. That had already been re-raised.

Just give it up. I've said I think it is likely Flynn talked to the Russians about sanctions. You not going to be able to successfully convince anyone that we KNOW Flynn talked to the Russians about sanctions and that is what he lied to Pence OR that it is more sinister going on like Pence knew the whole time. I'm not a binary thinker and I reject that false dichotomy and assumed knowledge involved in it.

This is why we need an investigation. Into the whole thing.

 

[CowboyJD]

Really? Maybe I am getting soft in my old age but this seems like a nothing burger.

Don't know what you mean, but okay.

What's a nothing burger?

 

[PDT816]

The way the Russia story has fallen apart in the past 24 hours, we should probably quit calling it a scandal.

 

[07pilt]

Don't know what you mean, but okay.

What's a nothing burger?

Like it isn't really that big of a scandal. Doesn't warrant a full investigation. The Russia thing really is a ruse.

 

[JohnVoight]

The way the Russia story has fallen apart in the past 24 hours, we should probably quit calling it a scandal.

That detracts from the narrative though which began with Obama (the 12th greatest POTUS ever) expelling 35 Russian diplomats. Can't have that.

 

[GL97]

Trump asked Flynn to resign because he had become a political liability due to news reports. Not to reraise the Russian scandal. That had already been re-raised.

But he then fed into it by making the reason for the resignation Russia. If Flynn was asked to resign for something that had nothing to do with Russia, why not say that? It would immediately change the conversation in the media.

Again, maybe you are right that Flynn was fired for something other than Russia. But if that is the case, it had to be something real bad for the Trump White House to decide to make him a casualty of the Russia scandal.

This is why we need an investigation. Into the whole thing.

Again I agree. Who is opposing the investigation though?

 

[GL97]

The way the Russia story has fallen apart in the past 24 hours, we should probably quit calling it a scandal.

lol, keep thinking this.

 

[GL97]

Like it isn't really that big of a scandal. Doesn't warrant a full investigation. The Russia thing really is a ruse.

The only people who believe this are either (1) invested in Trump's success or (2) not paying attention.

 

[CBradSmith]

This GL character is a hoot.

 

[CowboyJD]

But he then fed into it by making the reason for the resignation Russia. If Flynn was asked to resign for something that had nothing to do with Russia, why not say that? It would immediately change the conversation in the media.

Again, maybe you are right that Flynn was fired for something other than Russia. But if that is the case, it had to be something real bad for the Trump White House to decide to make him a casualty of the Russia scandal.



Again I agree. Who is opposing the investigation though?

Jesus, you are chasing your own tail.

Russia WAS the reason for the firing (general proposition). Nobody is arguing otherwise....certainly not me.

Lying to Pence about talking to Russia about sanctions is the LIKELY reason for the firing (my specific speculative proposition).

There are other possible Russian related reasons for the firing, both more and less sinister than my specific speculative proposition that I don't consider as likely (secondary speculative propositions).

I really don't know how much clearer I can be.

Who's opposing an investigation? Well, Trump cheerleaders are opposing an investigation into Flynn and the administration. Lots on left are opposing an investigation into the source of the leaks. I want both. I don't think we are going to see either.

 

[CBradSmith]

The only people who believe this are either (1) invested in Trump's success or (2) not paying attention.

@07pilt LOOOOVES him some Trump.

Pursue that angle GL.

 

[CBradSmith]

Jesus, you are chasing your own tail.

Russia WAS the reason for the firing (general proposition). Nobody is arguing otherwise....certainly not me.

Lying to Pence about talking to Russia about sanctions is the LIKELY reason for the firing (my specific speculative proposition).

There are other possible Russian related reasons for the firing, both more and less sinister than my specific speculative proposition that I don't consider as likely (secondary speculative propositions).

I really don't know how much clearer I can be.

Don't argue with him. He CLEARLY didn't pass high school geometry. Proofs won't work.

 

[imprimis]

Jesus, you are chasing your own tail.

Russia WAS the reason for the firing (general proposition). Nobody is arguing otherwise....certainly not me.

Lying to Pence about talking to Russia about sanctions is the LIKELY reason for the firing (my specific speculative proposition).

There are other possible Russian related reasons for the firing, both more and less sinister than my specific speculative proposition that I don't consider as likely (secondary speculative propositions).

I really don't know how much clearer I can be.

You were quite clear two pages ago.

 

[CowboyJD]

You were quite clear two pages ago.

And succinct.

Which I like.

This is like feeding peach slices to a lemur.

Cute and amusing for a little while, but it becomes tiresome after a while.

 

[Medic007]

And succinct.

Which I like.

This is like feeding peach slices to a lemur.

Cute and amusing for a little while, but it becomes tiresome after a while.

Lemurphobia.

 

[CBradSmith]

And succinct.

Which I like.

This is like feeding peach slices to a lemur.

Cute and amusing for a little while, but it becomes tiresome after a while.

You've fed peach slices to a lemur?! I'm jelly.

 

[GL97]

There are other possible Russian related reasons for the firing, both more and less sinister than my specific speculative proposition that I don't consider as likely (secondary speculative propositions).

lol, I've been following you. I was just saying that if Flynn was asked to resign for a reason not related to Russia, then odds are that reason was more sinister than the Russia scandal. And for some reason, you took issue with that. Now you agree.

Who's opposing an investigation? Well, Trump cheerleaders are opposing an investigation into Flynn and the administration. Lots on left are opposing an investigation into the source of the leaks. I want both. I don't think we are going to see either.

The reason those on the left are opposing an investigation into the source of the leaks is because it is a red herring. Leaks happen. They always have and they always will. Republicans sure love to use leaks when those leaks benefit them but decry them when they don't. Just look at the recent election.

But I have no problem investigating the leaks (and I'm sure most Democrats would agree) as long as the main focus of the investigation remains Russia and it's influence in our election and relationship with Trump.

 

[GL97]

@07pilt LOOOOVES him some Trump.

Pursue that angle GL.

Notice, I gave two types.

 

[CBradSmith]

Notice, I gave two types.

He also SUCKS at paying attention.

Hit him with both and you winz.

 

[CowboyJD]

lol, I've been following you. I was just saying that if Flynn was asked to resign for a reason not related to Russia, then odds are that reason was more sinister than the Russia scandal. And for some reason, you took issue with that. Now you agree.

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle,

Your non sequitur is very non sequitury.

Everybody understands he was fired over something involving Russian.

 

[CBradSmith]

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle,

Your non sequitur is very non sequitury.

Everybody understands he was fired over something involving Russian.

Lol. You can't help yourself.

"Pshhhh....well....if this guy LIKES getting kicked repeatedly in the balls, who am I to not give him what he wants?"

 

[CowboyJD]

Lol. You can't help yourself.

"Pshhhh....well....if this guy LIKES getting kicked repeatedly in the balls, who am I to not give him what he wants?"

I like lemurs....until I get tired of them.

 

[CBradSmith]

I like lemurs....until I get tired of them.

Think of the lemur as a stress ball.

You mentioned you were in half meltdown mode a day or 2 ago. Maybe you needed this.

 

[GL97]

Everybody understands he was fired over something involving Russian.

Yep. Which brings us back to my original point that he resigned over something to do with "Russia." The word medic couldn't bring himself to post.

Thanks for the distraction. Now you can get back to kissing CBradSmith's ass.

 

[CBradSmith]

Yep. Which brings us back to my original point that he resigned over something to do with "Russia." The word medic couldn't bring himself to post.

90% certain you're a neckbeard.

 

[GL97]

90% certain you're a neckbeard.

100% certain you continue to try too hard.

But hey, maybe you get the positive re-enforcement on this board you are in missing in life from some of the posters, so that is good.

 

[CowboyJD]

Yep. Which brings us back to my original point that he resigned over something to do with "Russia." The word medic couldn't bring himself to post.

Thanks for the distraction lol. Now you can get back to kissing CBradSmith's ass.

Sure showed me, Lemur.

Going back to your original incredibly self evident point that you and I agreed on from the begining (Russian related)....and Medic didn't specifically deny....and after spending multiple post arguing we know the lie was about speaking to them about sanctions or something even more sinister.

Yep, sure showed me.

 

[CBradSmith]

100% certain you continue to try too hard.

But hey, maybe you get the positive re-enforcement on this board you are in missing in life from some of the posters, so that is good.

 

[GL97]

and Medic didn't specifically deny

I simply stated that Flynn was asked to resign because of the Russia scandal and medic's response was this...

Are you truly incapable of understanding the truth or just too partisan to accept it? Flynn was sent packing because he lied. Your talking point parroting is almost creepy.

lol.

btw, I was never trying to show you up. You are the one that jumped in the conversation.

Nice job at feeding the ego though.

 

[GL97]

Hey, give us another meme.

It makes you look cool.

 

[CowboyJD]

We can review the entire history.

You keep posting about fearmongering regarding Russia but what are you talking about? It has been proven that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Even Trump has admitted this. Trump's national security advisor had to resign after only twenty-three days because of the Russia scandal.

The Russia stuff is a legitimate concern. And it isn't just those on the left talking about Russia...many Republicans are as well.

Are you truly incapable of understanding the truth or just too partisan to accept it? Flynn was sent packing because he lied. Your talking point parroting is almost creepy.

Lied about what?

You've definitely answered a question I had though.

Don't deflect. It isn't a hard question. What did Flynn lie about?

He told Pence he was a player performance specialist? Fill me in oh enlightened one.

Nah, keep on deflecting. It's fun to watch.

Lol.

So I guess you just aren't going to admit what he lied about, huh?

Fine by me. We all know.

I'm not gonna argue what someone else meant, but it was clear to me that you were demanding specifically what he lied about and he wasn't willing to do that.....not whether or not it surrounded his dealings with Russia.

He can correct me if I'm wrong or he can just continue laughing at you and not taking you seriously....at this point I'm starting to think that's the smart thing to do. Not all posters are worthy of the same level of serious consideration and examination.

 

[GL97]

I'm not gonna argue what someone else meant, but it was clear to me that you were demanding specifically what he lied about and he wasn't willing to do that.....not whether or not it surrounded his dealings with Russia.

He wasn't willing to do that because he didn't want to admit it was about Russia, which I had originally posted and he claimed was not truthful and too partisan.

But now, who the flip cares lol? I think some of your would argue with a stop sign. Even if the stop signed agreed with you.

He can correct me if I'm wrong or he can just continue laughing at you and not taking you seriously....at this point I'm starting to think that's the smart thing to do.

I am sure you do. I guess you are losing on your scorecard.

Nice try though kid.

 

[PDT816]

It's a multi-quote off.

 

[CowboyJD]

He wasn't willing to do that because he didn't want to admit it was about Russia, which I had originally posted and he claimed was not truthful and too partisan.

But now, who the flip cares lol? I think some of your would argue with a stop sign. Even if the stop signed agreed with you.



I am sure you do. I guess you are losing on your scorecard.

Nice try though kid.

You're sure I do?

Okay, Lemur...whatever.

Takes two to argue, btw.

Later lemur.