Thoughts on Trumps ban on Muslims entering US
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So this is interesting... nearly half U.S. voters support the President's actions. If you watch the news you would think it was something like 75% do not support based on the coverage. Again the media is trying to create the narrative.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...migration-ban.html?ito=email_share_mobile-top
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...migration-ban.html?ito=email_share_mobile-top
And haven't seen much reporting on this big win by Trump.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-uae-agree-support-trumps-syria-yemen-safe-zone-plan-1603729x
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-uae-agree-support-trumps-syria-yemen-safe-zone-plan-1603729x
Wow...good to know the biggest importer of Muslim terrorists responsible for American deaths approves.
That is a big win.
They've already rescinded portions of the EO.
Welcome to amateur hour. They had no idea what they were doing. It just looked mean and decisive at the time, end of analysis.
Welcome to amateur hour. They had no idea what they were doing. It just looked mean and decisive at the time, end of analysis.
BE IT RESOLVED
WHEREAS we said nobody from several countries could come in;
WHEREAS we forgot some of those people had a legal right to be here and were like, important;
WHEREAS we didn't know that the rest of the country would not reflexively enjoy dog piling helpless people and then declare themselves a badass;
So green cards holders? Our bad. We forgot. Oops. We actually have our shit together. Nobody has ever had their shit together more than us. We intended to make that mistake to psyche out all the haters. Maga.
JD, as always you make some incredible points. So assuming you were advising Trump (and he'll maybe you should be), what would you have advised and how would you have implemented?
Personally, I agree it was clumsily rolled out, but in general don't have an issue since 6 years after the fact I still get to deal with USCIS. Doubt any action at all would have satisfied the mostly bought and paid for protestors though.
Personally, I agree it was clumsily rolled out, but in general don't have an issue since 6 years after the fact I still get to deal with USCIS. Doubt any action at all would have satisfied the mostly bought and paid for protestors though.
You place me in a very weird position. I'm not sure he listens to anyone that doesn't say what he wants to hear. He also appears to be fond enough of calling in the lawyers, but not on the back end.
Not trying to tie ya up, just your opinion. I'll admit that I'm jaded at times and definitely can be super partisan without even realizing it. You bring a very even keeled approach and analysis and while I think there are segments that will ALWAYS been offended no matter the players, it's always interesting to hear an opinion not tied to the winning horse.
*premature posting...sorry about that*
If I was an Trump advisor I would have tried to sell him on no official suspension of the programs....even temporarily. I would have suggested that he issue an executive order pretty much with the direction of this one re: coming up with new plans and standards for vetting, but without the suspension. Then...because I don't believe the refugee program statute has a deadline after which the agency "shall issue...I would have instructed immigration to "slow roll" applications during the policy review period. No executive order needed to do that. Heck, make the Director of the agency personally review and approve each and every one before approval and just quietly instruct them to take their time.
If he was bound and determined to do something with a "ratings bang" my advice would have been leave green card and people who already have a visa strictly alone. There also wou,d have been a multiple level legal vetting from subject matter expert lawyers before issuing. Resident alien/green card vetting will continue as present. Temporary suspension applies only to visitor visas and refugee program. Make the suspension a suspension of any new issuing for the 90 days....and get to work on your new vetting plan because there isn't going to be an extension of the "temporary" suspension.
If I was an Trump advisor I would have tried to sell him on no official suspension of the programs....even temporarily. I would have suggested that he issue an executive order pretty much with the direction of this one re: coming up with new plans and standards for vetting, but without the suspension. Then...because I don't believe the refugee program statute has a deadline after which the agency "shall issue...I would have instructed immigration to "slow roll" applications during the policy review period. No executive order needed to do that. Heck, make the Director of the agency personally review and approve each and every one before approval and just quietly instruct them to take their time.
If he was bound and determined to do something with a "ratings bang" my advice would have been leave green card and people who already have a visa strictly alone. There also wou,d have been a multiple level legal vetting from subject matter expert lawyers before issuing. Resident alien/green card vetting will continue as present. Temporary suspension applies only to visitor visas and refugee program. Make the suspension a suspension of any new issuing for the 90 days....and get to work on your new vetting plan because there isn't going to be an extension of the "temporary" suspension.
Thanks.
It's weird to have you say this while yesterday I was getting called a liberal troll with a God syndrome.
Takes all types, I guess.
Trump Aide Stephen Miller:
The U.S. ‘Has an Absolute Sovereign Right to Determine Who Can and Cannot Enter the Country’
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017...termine-who-can-and-cannot-enter-the-country/
The U.S. ‘Has an Absolute Sovereign Right to Determine Who Can and Cannot Enter the Country’
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017...termine-who-can-and-cannot-enter-the-country/
Okay. That at first blush that sounds like a professional, government lawyer opinion finding a way forward that implements the policy in an effective way. I strongly suspect there are 1000 lawyers one call away in DC that could've and would've provided a similar or equally sensible way to implement it without the grandstanding. Trump and Bannon wanted to grandstand though and hurt good people because they can. And the magaferians want it that way. They wanted power so badly so they could act like this.
