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Assuming facts not in evidence councilor.

Not in a courtroom, sir.

I’m completely allowed to draw conclusions based upon common sense and my own observations and life experience. To do otherwise would be foolish.

If you want to get even more pedantic, I didn’t assume anything....nor did I definitively assert that it is chicanery. I merely opined that the signs point to chicanery being likely...even used a magic eight ball reference as an allusion that it wasn’t definitively the case.
 
Not in a courtroom, sir.

I’m completely allowed to draw conclusions based upon common sense and my own observations and life experience. To do otherwise would be foolish.
Just making an observation myself based upon my life experience that you are making some assumptions about the content of any unreleased data. And that assumption by you may be based on some biases you my not fully realize you have.
 
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"Engaging in a conversation with mentally ill people is a fruitless venture." -- AC (September 9, 2018)

Lol...not even clever enough to think your own comeback - insecurity and true lack of wit haha.

Wanna keep digging here, ‘councilor’?
 
Just making an observation myself based upon my life experience that you are making some assumptions about the content of any unreleased data. And that assumption by you may be based on some biases you my not fully realize you have.

You’re wrong in this observation. For several reasons.

1. I didn’t make any assumptions about the content. I didn’t make any definitive statements about what is in the unreleased data.

2. I made a statement that I find it unlikely that those three pages right smack in the middle of a mass declassification are so sensitive and so explosive that they can’t be declassified. I made a statement of what is likely IMO and the likely reason why it’s not being released. I even made an allusion to magic eights balls to reflect that it is nothing but speculation and not certain fact.

But for shits and giggles, what do you think these unrealized biases of mine are and how we’re they reflected in my speculation and not assumption?
 
Real simple solution to all of this, the DOJ, as in Rod Rosenstein, can release all of the documents to the Congressional Committee without redactions.
For some reason the DOJ has refused, has slow walked and redacted to the point of being unreadable a limited number of documents. Of course Rod Rosenstein signed one of the FISA warrants, wonder if he is concerned he could be implicated?
 
Real simple solution to all of this, the DOJ, as in Rod Rosenstein, can release all of the documents to the Congressional Committee without redactions.
For some reason the DOJ has refused, has slow walked and redacted to the point of being unreadable a limited number of documents. Of course Rod Rosenstein signed one of the FISA warrants, wonder if he is concerned he could be implicated?

You’re trusting to Republican committee members to share documents with Democrats...that’s a helluva reach considering the recent past
 
Or they could just not show up and tell you morons those mean Rebublicans wouldn't let a fellow committee memeber see the documents requested.
 
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One side has called for release for two years.

One side has refused to release requested documents for two years.

And you still think Trump is the one hiding things.

Thats interesting logic.
Sources and methods, one side has a history of putting the national security of the country first and the other side is scraping and clawing to save its own skin.
 
Those three pages...and only those?

Signs point to chicanery is what my magic eight ball says,
Withholding judgment at this time, but agree that omissions could be for reasons other than national security and entirely self serving.
 
You’re trusting to Republican committee members to share documents with Democrats...that’s a helluva reach considering the recent past

Once again an easy solution, send the documents to every member of the committee, problem solved.
 
You seem to be assuming that the unreleased info is being withheld by Trump in order to protect Trump as opposed to protecting information sources or methods. I think that shows a basic mistrust and anti Trump bias.

I seem to be assuming something I’ve expressly said I’m speculating about? I’m not assuming that it is. I think signs point to it being so. I think it is more likely than not he is acting to protect himself. I think is is unlikely that those three pages in the mass disclosure are the only three in all of this that mentions information sources or methods. His prior comments on these types of things don’t lead me to believe that he gives a crap about information sources or methods. I am using my deductive reasoning skills to draw a logical conclusion as to what is likely there and his likely reasons for redacting just that part. I think that is a completely reasonable evaluation of the present circumstances. What it’s not is an assumption.

My basic mistrust of authority in general, dislike for Trump as a human being, and belief that Trump acts primarily (if not exclusively) in his own best interests because he is egotistical as all get out are all KNOWN and OFT-DISCLOSED bias....so I don’t see how those could be considered biases I don’t fully realize I have.
 
belief that Trump acts primarily (if not exclusively) in his own best interests because he is egotistical as all get out

interesting trumps ego is even a blip on the radar

thankfully trumps best interests align with america’s

two years of outrageous otardcare premium increases in the private sector will get you past an ego
 
interesting trumps ego is even a blip on the radar

thankfully trumps best interests align with america’s

two years of outrageous otardcare premium increases in the private sector will get you past an ego

Not everybody agrees that Trump’s best interests always align with America’s.
 
interesting trumps ego is even a blip on the radar

thankfully trumps best interests align with america’s

two years of outrageous otardcare premium increases in the private sector will get you past an ego

I’m still waiting for the miracle to behold...affordable Republican healthcare. Such an interesting concept...but STILL stuck in the conceptual phase.

Just a thought...

Maybe you shouldn’t vote incumbent Republicans back into office and get some fresh faces with fresh ideas up there lol
 
Not everybody agrees that Trump’s best interests always align with America’s.

i don’t think anyone would agree that they always do

i don’t think banging porn stars while in a marriage is cool at all

but he did save america on his own dime from a most certain liberal/socialist decline

so while i wouldn’t share a foxhole with him i am grateful he’s been willing to take the hits for maga
 
on his own dime

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Still haven't seen any lib suggesting anything other than resisting the release from the FBI and DOJ.
 
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Trumps timing couldn't've been better. All libs deployed on the SC decision when he launched his end run.

The lack of noise over such a huge story tells me they didn't think he would release anything.
 
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Someone is scared...

I'd like to know the role of the last White House in using our intelligence apparatus to surveil political opposition without cause.

The broad FBI lawer is on record saying there was no evidence to start the Trump investigation when it was instigated.

And they had been under surveillance for what, over a year with Page?
 
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I'd like to know the role of the last White House in using our intelligence apparatus to surveil political opposition without cause.

The broad FBI lawer is on record saying there was no evidence to start the Trump investigation when it was instigated.

And they had been under surveillance for what, over a year with Page?
I have a feeling this stuff likely goes to the highest levels. It also wouldn't shock me to find out that some congressional folks were complicit. Trump's victory really screwed them up. Nobody thought any of this stuff would see the light of day.
 
Ummm..... @Beta I mean @Alpha Poke

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/...on-russian-documents.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

In Reversal, Trump No Longer Demands Declassification of Russia Documents
Sept. 21, 2018
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A rally by President Trump in Las Vegas on Thursday. On Friday, he made a rare retreat over documents related to the Russia inquiry.Tom Brenner for The New York Times
WASHINGTON — In a rare retreat, President Trump on Friday reversed himself and said he was no longer demanding that documents related to the Russia investigation be immediately declassified and released to the public.

Taking to Twitter on Friday morning, Mr. Trump said that instead of an immediate release, Justice Department officials would review the documents, adding that “in the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary.”









Less than a week ago, Mr. Trump had orderedthat law enforcement and intelligence agencies declassify and release the documents, which include text messages about the Russia inquiry, along with other documents related to the surveillance of a former Trump aide.

A White House statement on Monday said the president had called for the “immediate declassification” of materials that officials used to authorize surveillance of the aide, Carter Page. The president also ordered the release of unredacted text messages sent by current and former law enforcement officials whom Mr. Trump has accused of being part of a deep-state conspiracy against him.

Ordering the release of the documents was a cause célèbre for Mr. Trump’s most fervent supporters on Capitol Hill and at conservative media outlets, who have for months been claiming that the release of the documents would help prove a liberal plot to undermine Mr. Trump.

The president’s abrupt reversal could anger those supporters if they view the decision as evidence that Mr. Trump exhibited weakness by caving to pressure from within his own administration.

In his tweets, Mr. Trump said that Justice Department officials had agreed to release the unredacted documents, but had also warned of what the president called “a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe.” The tweet did not explain further.

The president also said in the tweet — without elaboration — that “key Allies” had called to urge him not to declassify the documents.

According to a former American official and a former British official, the British government expressed grave concerns to the United States government about the release of classified information. The material includes direct references to conversations between American law enforcement officials and Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled a dossier alleging ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Britain’s objection, these former officials said, was over revealing Mr. Steele’s identity in an official document, regardless of whether he had been named in press reports.

Some of the documents at issue involve the beginnings of the Russia investigation, when law enforcement officials submitted an application seeking permission from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to wiretap Mr. Page. Mr. Trump and his Republican allies have claimed that law enforcement officials misled the court to get that permission.

The president’s declassification order on Monday called on law enforcement officials to release about two dozen pages from the surveillance application. Much of the application has already been released, but Mr. Trump’s order would make more of the application available in unredacted form to the public.

Mr. Trump and his allies claim it will show that officials misled the court by not disclosing that the application was based in part on the dossier, which they believe should be discredited as a partisan document funded in part by Democrats.

Little evidence has emerged to support those allegations, and Democrats have assailed the Republican efforts to release the documents, saying it is a political effort that could lead to a dangerous release of sensitive national security information.

In his tweet on Friday, Mr. Trump also appeared to pull back on his demands for the release of text messages from officials, including James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, and his deputy, Andrew G. McCabe.

Text messages between two former F.B.I. officials, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, have revealed conversations that were critical of Mr. Trump. Allies of the president have said they believe that the release of more text messages would show bias against Mr. Trump within the law enforcement community.
 
Ummm..... @Beta I mean @Alpha Poke

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/...on-russian-documents.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

In Reversal, Trump No Longer Demands Declassification of Russia Documents
Sept. 21, 2018
merlin_144071316_e01a1108-0b61-44e8-b554-fdbf8935a660-articleLarge.jpg

A rally by President Trump in Las Vegas on Thursday. On Friday, he made a rare retreat over documents related to the Russia inquiry.Tom Brenner for The New York Times
WASHINGTON — In a rare retreat, President Trump on Friday reversed himself and said he was no longer demanding that documents related to the Russia investigation be immediately declassified and released to the public.

Taking to Twitter on Friday morning, Mr. Trump said that instead of an immediate release, Justice Department officials would review the documents, adding that “in the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary.”









Less than a week ago, Mr. Trump had orderedthat law enforcement and intelligence agencies declassify and release the documents, which include text messages about the Russia inquiry, along with other documents related to the surveillance of a former Trump aide.

A White House statement on Monday said the president had called for the “immediate declassification” of materials that officials used to authorize surveillance of the aide, Carter Page. The president also ordered the release of unredacted text messages sent by current and former law enforcement officials whom Mr. Trump has accused of being part of a deep-state conspiracy against him.

Ordering the release of the documents was a cause célèbre for Mr. Trump’s most fervent supporters on Capitol Hill and at conservative media outlets, who have for months been claiming that the release of the documents would help prove a liberal plot to undermine Mr. Trump.

The president’s abrupt reversal could anger those supporters if they view the decision as evidence that Mr. Trump exhibited weakness by caving to pressure from within his own administration.

In his tweets, Mr. Trump said that Justice Department officials had agreed to release the unredacted documents, but had also warned of what the president called “a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe.” The tweet did not explain further.

The president also said in the tweet — without elaboration — that “key Allies” had called to urge him not to declassify the documents.

According to a former American official and a former British official, the British government expressed grave concerns to the United States government about the release of classified information. The material includes direct references to conversations between American law enforcement officials and Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled a dossier alleging ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Britain’s objection, these former officials said, was over revealing Mr. Steele’s identity in an official document, regardless of whether he had been named in press reports.

Some of the documents at issue involve the beginnings of the Russia investigation, when law enforcement officials submitted an application seeking permission from the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to wiretap Mr. Page. Mr. Trump and his Republican allies have claimed that law enforcement officials misled the court to get that permission.

The president’s declassification order on Monday called on law enforcement officials to release about two dozen pages from the surveillance application. Much of the application has already been released, but Mr. Trump’s order would make more of the application available in unredacted form to the public.

Mr. Trump and his allies claim it will show that officials misled the court by not disclosing that the application was based in part on the dossier, which they believe should be discredited as a partisan document funded in part by Democrats.

Little evidence has emerged to support those allegations, and Democrats have assailed the Republican efforts to release the documents, saying it is a political effort that could lead to a dangerous release of sensitive national security information.

In his tweet on Friday, Mr. Trump also appeared to pull back on his demands for the release of text messages from officials, including James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, and his deputy, Andrew G. McCabe.

Text messages between two former F.B.I. officials, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok, have revealed conversations that were critical of Mr. Trump. Allies of the president have said they believe that the release of more text messages would show bias against Mr. Trump within the law enforcement community.
Absent from that piece is the fact that Trump has asked the DOJ IG to review to the concerns. This piece simply states "Justice Department officials." I wonder why they purposely left that out? This must be one of those great sources you posted about
 
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