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[Ostatedchi]

I'll help you: Take a look at subsection H part 1.

39-17-1311. Carrying weapons on public parks, playgrounds, civic centers and other public recreational buildings and grounds.

https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=961d77dd-8df8-4064-b776-96e9aaaca1a4&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAL&nodepath=/ROOT/ABN/ABNAAO/ABNAAOAAN/ABNAAOAANAAL&title=39-17-1311.+Carrying+weapons+on+public+parks,+playgrounds,+civic+centers+and+other+public+recreational+buildings+and+grounds.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=/shared/document/statutes-legislation/urn:contentItem:50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4G7-00008-00&ecomp=g37_kkk&prid=e683baab-4345-4813-91c2-f1e939030077

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  • (a) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any weapon prohibited by § 39-17-1302(a), not used solely for instructional, display or sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in or on the grounds of any public park, playground, civic center or other building facility, area or property owned, used or operated by any municipal, county or state government, or instrumentality thereof, for recreational purposes.

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  • (b) (1) Subsection (a) shall not apply to the following persons:
    • (A) Persons employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard when in discharge of their official duties and acting under orders requiring them to carry arms or weapons;
    • (B) Civil officers of the United States in the discharge of their official duties;
    • (C) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the national guard when called into actual service;
    • (D) Officers of the state, or of any county, city or town, charged with the enforcement of the laws of the state, in the discharge of their official duties;
    • (E) Any pupils who are members of the reserve officers training corps or pupils enrolled in a course of instruction or members of a club or team, and who are required to carry arms or weapons in the discharge of their official class or team duties;
    • (F) Any private police employed by the municipality, county, state or instrumentality thereof in the discharge of their duties;
    • (G) A registered security guard/officer, who meets the requirements of title 62, chapter 35, while in the performance of the officer's duties;
    • (H)
      • (i) Persons possessing a handgun, who are authorized to carry the handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, while within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway, or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality, or instrumentality of the state, a county, or municipality;
      • (ii) Subdivision (b)(1)(H)(i) shall not apply if the permit holder:
        • (a) Possessed a handgun in the immediate vicinity of property that was, at the time of possession, in use by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution for the purpose of conducting an athletic event or other school-related activity on an athletic field, permanent or temporary, including but not limited to, a football or soccer field, tennis court, basketball court, track, running trail, Frisbee field, or similar multi-use field; and
        • (b) Knew or should have known the athletic activity or school-related activity described in subdivision (b)(1)(H)(ii)(a) was taking place on the property; or
        • (c) Failed to take reasonable steps to leave the area of the athletic event or school-related activity after being informed of or becoming aware of its use;

 

[Ostatedchi]

So please, enlighten us to how you are just totally correct on this topic and we are just ignorant rubes.

LoL

Carry On.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

You realize she was just posing for a picture, right?

my thoughts exactky. the prudes and fun police strike again. sexists.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Biker Fox:

Dude is a millionaire

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

It’s obvious her shirt isn’t riding up, though. She’s flashing her weapon. It may not constitute brandishing in Oklahoma, but it could in other states and has.

it’s a posed picture potato.

do you realize that’s not real life?

 

[long-duc-dong]

I like lobster!

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

my thoughts exactky. the prudes and fun police strike again. sexists.

I would hope local law enforcement had better things to do than bust her for being a dumbass, but she’s still a dumbass. She’s still breaking laws. Tennessee has no defined brandishing law, but read their coded definition of 1) disorderly conduct and 2) assault. In some states, she’s definitely brandishing.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

I would hope local law enforcement had better things to do than bust her for being a dumbass, but she’s still a dumbass. She’s still breaking laws. Tennessee has no defined brandishing law, but read their coded definition of 1) disorderly conduct and 2) assault. In some states, she’s definitely brandishing.

wrong.

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

wrong.

How so? Read the Washington state law (obviously more strict than a state like Oklahoma or Tennessee.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

How do?

it’s art. she is not brandishing. the context is a posed photograph. if she’s brandishing, so are actors and models who pose with guns.

it’s self evident.

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

How so? Read the Washington state law (obviously more strict than a state like Oklahoma or Tennessee.

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

 

[wyomingosualum]

It’s obvious her shirt isn’t riding up, though. She’s flashing her weapon. It may not constitute brandishing in Oklahoma, but it could in other states and has.

Hypothetical scenario: The young lady in the first picture is walking alone at night. She hears two men walking behind her who are talking between themselves about how easy it would be to grab her and do unfriendly things to her against her will. The young lady becomes frightened for her safety, turns around and raises her shirt as she did in that picture and exposes her handgun. The two thugs decide it’s a great time to evacuate the area.

Do you believe the young lady committed a crime?

 

[HighStickHarry]

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

So basically if there are no liberals around (to be intimidated or alarmed) she is not breaking the law. She wouldn’t intimidate me or alarm me if I walked by. She might alarm my penis though. Hi oooohhhhhh!

 

[Medic007]

How so? Read the Washington state law (obviously more strict than a state like Oklahoma or Tennessee.

Well shit Toon, what do we do? I'm all for citizen's arrest, but we have conflicting info. She won't shoot me because I don't smell or look like a loser. That means she shoots you, and I don't want that on my conscious or your blood anywhere near me.

Is this trip to enforce your interpretation of Tennessee law delayed, cancelled, still on? Gotta let me know soon.

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

I didn’t realize JD was referencing the 2 girls, I was discussing the first girl. I stand corrected on the 2nd girl.

 

[Medic007]

I didn’t realize JD was referencing the 2 girls, I was discussing the first girl. I stand corrected on the 2nd girl.

So, no citizen's arrest? Or are you on your way?

 

[Ostatedchi]

I'll help you: Take a look at subsection H part 1.

39-17-1311. Carrying weapons on public parks, playgrounds, civic centers and other public recreational buildings and grounds.

https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=961d77dd-8df8-4064-b776-96e9aaaca1a4&nodeid=ABNAAOAANAAL&nodepath=/ROOT/ABN/ABNAAO/ABNAAOAAN/ABNAAOAANAAL&title=39-17-1311.+Carrying+weapons+on+public+parks,+playgrounds,+civic+centers+and+other+public+recreational+buildings+and+grounds.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=/shared/document/statutes-legislation/urn:contentItem:50J2-V4S0-R03M-D4G7-00008-00&ecomp=g37_kkk&prid=e683baab-4345-4813-91c2-f1e939030077

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  • (a) It is an offense for any person to possess or carry, whether openly or concealed, with the intent to go armed, any weapon prohibited by § 39-17-1302(a), not used solely for instructional, display or sanctioned ceremonial purposes, in or on the grounds of any public park, playground, civic center or other building facility, area or property owned, used or operated by any municipal, county or state government, or instrumentality thereof, for recreational purposes.

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  • (b) (1) Subsection (a) shall not apply to the following persons:
    • (A) Persons employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard when in discharge of their official duties and acting under orders requiring them to carry arms or weapons;
    • (B) Civil officers of the United States in the discharge of their official duties;
    • (C) Officers and soldiers of the militia and the national guard when called into actual service;
    • (D) Officers of the state, or of any county, city or town, charged with the enforcement of the laws of the state, in the discharge of their official duties;
    • (E) Any pupils who are members of the reserve officers training corps or pupils enrolled in a course of instruction or members of a club or team, and who are required to carry arms or weapons in the discharge of their official class or team duties;
    • (F) Any private police employed by the municipality, county, state or instrumentality thereof in the discharge of their duties;
    • (G) A registered security guard/officer, who meets the requirements of title 62, chapter 35, while in the performance of the officer's duties;
    • (H)
      • (i) Persons possessing a handgun, who are authorized to carry the handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351, while within or on a public park, natural area, historic park, nature trail, campground, forest, greenway, waterway, or other similar public place that is owned or operated by the state, a county, a municipality, or instrumentality of the state, a county, or municipality;
      • (ii) Subdivision (b)(1)(H)(i) shall not apply if the permit holder:
        • (a) Possessed a handgun in the immediate vicinity of property that was, at the time of possession, in use by any board of education, school, college or university board of trustees, regents, or directors for the administration of any public or private educational institution for the purpose of conducting an athletic event or other school-related activity on an athletic field, permanent or temporary, including but not limited to, a football or soccer field, tennis court, basketball court, track, running trail, Frisbee field, or similar multi-use field; and
        • (b) Knew or should have known the athletic activity or school-related activity described in subdivision (b)(1)(H)(ii)(a) was taking place on the property; or
        • (c) Failed to take reasonable steps to leave the area of the athletic event or school-related activity after being informed of or becoming aware of its use;

No comment Toon? I'm waiting on your expert rebuttal to Tennessee legal system nuance.

 

[HighStickHarry]

So, no citizen's arrest? Or are you on your way?

I cannot ever pass up the opportunity to post this.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Hypothetical scenario: The young lady in the first picture is walking alone at night. She hears two men walking behind her who are talking between themselves about how easy it would be to grab her and do unfriendly things to her against her will. The young lady becomes frightened for her safety, turns around and raises her shirt as she did in that picture and exposes her handgun. The two thugs decide it’s a great time to evacuate the area.

Do you believe the young lady committed a crime?

Actually probably she did. I doubt any officer would arrest her for it, or any DA would prosecute, or any jury would ever convict her. But, by the letter of the law... yeah.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

I didn’t realize JD was referencing the 2 girls, I was discussing the first girl. I stand corrected on the 2nd girl.

 

[Ostatedchi]

It doesn’t really matter does it? Is this legal open carry? No, it’s not. Is it legal concealed carry? No, it’s not.

Furthermore, if the property she is carrying this weapon on is public property pursuant to Tennessee law, she’s breaking another law.

Councilor, care to revise your profound legal statement regarding the legalities in Tennessee?

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

Councilor, care to revise your profound legal statement regarding the legalities in Tennessee?

There are public areas where weapons in Tennessee are not allowed. Am I wrong in that statement?

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

There are public areas where weapons in Tennessee are not allowed. Am I wrong in that statement?

irrelevant.

 

[wyomingosualum]

Actually probably she did. I doubt any officer would arrest her for it, or any DA would prosecute, or any jury would ever convict her. But, by the letter of the law... yeah.

The Washington state law he posted has two additional subsections. The second subsection provides that a violation is a misdemeanor. But the third subsection interests me. Here it is:

(3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:
(a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business;
(b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;
(c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person;
(d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or
(e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments.
[ 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 426; 1969 c 8 § 1.]

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

The Washington state law he posted has two additional subsections. The second subsection provides that a violation is a misdemeanor. But the third subsection interests me. Here it is:

(3) Subsection (1) of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:
(a) Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business;
(b) Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or to make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;
(c) Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of such unlawful force by a third person;
(d) Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony; or
(e) Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments.
[ 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 426; 1969 c 8 § 1.]

In your scenario, the 2 men weren’t doing anything especially unlawful, either threatening or certainly not using any force.

 

[wyomingosualum]

In your scenario, the 2 men weren’t doing anything especially unlawful, either threatening or certainly not using any force.

Think she should have let them implement their plan to grab her then?

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

Think she should have let them implement their plan to grab her then?

I mean, what are they doin wrong? What should we do, start arresting guys for catcalling? Not happening.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I mean, what are they doin wrong? What should we do, start arresting guys for catcalling? Not happening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ts-also-often-illegal/?utm_term=.0a3bc1a3bfa9

 

[wyomingosualum]

I mean, what are they doin wrong? What should we do, start arresting guys for catcalling? Not happening.

Planning on grabbing a female against her will exceeds catcalling in my world. And since you’re not understanding the gravity of the scenario, when I said they were talking about doing unfriendly things to her against her will, I was talking about rape.

So here are two guys talking about committing a sexual battery. The potential victim overhears them discussing their plan to grab her. She shows them she’s armed. They disperse and nobody is harmed. And she violated the law. Seriously?

 

[CowboyJD]

RCW 9.41.270
Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm—Unlawful carrying or handling—Penalty—Exceptions.
(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

None of them clearly and obviously meet a violation of this statute either. All three do not meet the intent to intimidate mens rea as they are clearly posing for pictures. “Warrants alarm” would be a fact question, but would be strictly construed in favor of defendant and have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Good luck with that.

I didn’t realize JD was referencing the 2 girls, I was discussing the first girl. I stand corrected on the 2nd girl.

All of them. All three. You should stand corrected on all of them. None of them are “brandishing”. What I said applies to all three.

 

[long-duc-dong]

 

[Ostatedchi]

There are public areas where weapons in Tennessee are not allowed. Am I wrong in that statement?

You specifically said the woman in the photo was carrying illegally. Is that or is that not factually correct?

 

[CSCOTTOSUPOKES]

None of them clearly and obviously meet a violation of this statute either. All three do not meet the intent to intimidate mens rea as they are clearly posing for pictures. “Warrants alarm” would be a fact question, but would be strictly construed in favor of defendant and have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Good luck with that.



All of them. All three. You should stand corrected on all of them. None of them are “brandishing”. What I said applies to all three.

Re-read this thread. No, I’m not going to stand corrected on all three. I’ll stand corrected on the 2 you mentioned.

First one is legal open carry. 2nd one is a concealed holster, unlawful display.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Let me be very clear.

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Maybe because it’s unlawful display? To carry a weapon in Tennessee, you have to have a license for concealed or open carry, which she’s clearly doing neither of in that picture.

Is the woman in the photos above your reply carrying her firearm legally in the state of Tennessee as you originally stated as a legal fact?

It is a yes or no answer. Either she is carrying illegally and you can prove it. (Remember the burden of proof is on the prosecution.) Or, she is carrying legally by Tennessee statute.

It is a simple question. Let's see if you can give it a straightforward answer.

 

[Ostatedchi]

2nd one is a concealed holster, unlawful display.

Please... Please cite the Tennessee statute that specifies what the definition of a concealed holster an when and how it can be lawfully used.

 

[squeak]

Lock up Hollywood for using guns in movies.

 

[HanAholeSolo2.0]

boil that sonofabitch.


alive.

 

[Ostatedchi]

To the top for @CSCOTTOSUPOKES. Just curious your reply.

 

[CowboyJD]

Re-read this thread. No, I’m not going to stand corrected on all three. I’ll stand corrected on the 2 you mentioned.

I would expect nothing but this from you, and don’t feel the need to engage in a legal battle with an unarmed combatant. I know what I do and who I work for and my knowledge and experience in the area, and I have a pretty good idea of yours as well. I’m good with knowing that I know what I am talking about and that you are incorrect. Don’t need to try to convince you.

You might want to address @Ostatedchi’s request for a statutory citation though because it appears he’s interested. He should probably follow his own earlier advice to the board about feeding trolls, but he’s a big boy.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I would expect nothing but this from you, and don’t feel the need to engage in a legal battle with an unarmed combatant. I know what I do and who I work for and my knowledge and experience in the area, and I have a pretty good idea of yours as well. I’m good with knowing that I know what I am talking about and that you are incorrect. Don’t need to try to convince you.

You might want to address @Ostatedchi’s request for a statutory citation though because it appears he’s interested. He should probably follow his own earlier advice to the board about feeding trolls, but he’s a big boy.

I'm doing it because he painted himself into a corner and he knows it. It is more of an exercise to see if he's capable of admitting he was full of crap.