The single best quote about feminism ever

[BIGOSUFAN]

Equality of the sexes obviously isn't common sense though.

I mean, if it was this thread would never happen.

If it was there'd be 200 women in Congress and at least 40 women in the Senate.

If it was women would earn equal pay.

If it was men would get paternity leave.

If it was more than 0.2% of the Baptist churches in Texas would have female pastors.

If it was 94% of the movies we watch would not be directed by men.

If it was Thomas Jefferson would have said all "humans" were created equal.

Women and men are innately different. Differences in career choices are due to sociobiology between men and women, not because of "oppression" in society due to the "patriarchy" (or whatever other bullsh*t theory the "feminists" are spewing out today"). Gender is not merely a "social construct" as those lunatics teach.

 

[TheRedSon]

Dude.

I'm a feminist. I don't teach that shit.

 

[CBradSmith]

Equality of the sexes obviously isn't common sense though.

I mean, if it was this thread would never happen.

If it was there'd be 200 women in Congress and at least 40 women in the Senate.

If it was women would earn equal pay.

If it was men would get paternity leave.

If it was more than 0.2% of the Baptist churches in Texas would have female pastors.

If it was 94% of the movies we watch would not be directed by men.

If it was Thomas Jefferson would have said all "humans" were created equal.

In this post is an almost non-existent understanding of statistics and its relationship with causality.

 

[CBradSmith]

Somebody get this man some perspective and facts.

A crash course in understanding stats would be a good starting place.

 

[07pilt]

In this post is an almost non-existent understanding of statistics and its relationship with causality.

explain

 

[cableok]

I think the difference is some people, and apparently at least one on this thread, feel that all data must be equal or there is not equality among the sexes. Those people also feel if all data is not equal there is a grievance opportunity. They fail, or simply ignore, information such as reason for total pay gap and try to score political points.
TRS provided two great examples of unfortunate victimization opportunities. One was the comment on paternity leave. And the other was the parsing of words to make the meaning larger with his Thomas Jefferson example. Using TRS's same logic I guess we should be appalled as the sexism displayed by Neil Armstrong landing on the moon.


Others feel that modern feminism is very opposite to how many females and males feel. My wife, my two teenage daughters (including one at OSU), and my mother would never want to be identified as a modern feminist in the same vulgar vein of Ashley Judd or Amy Schumer. My wife, daughters, and my mom are very secure confident people.

 

[TheRedSon]

“If you look up feminist in the dictionary, it just means someone who believes men and women have equal rights […] You’re a feminist if you go to a Jay-Z and Beyoncé concert and you’re not like, ‘I feel like Beyoncé should get 23 percent less money than Jay-Z […] Also, I don’t think Beyoncé should have the right to vote and why is Beyoncé singing and dancing? Shouldn’t she make Jay a steak?'” - Aziz Ansari

 

[TheRedSon]

In this post is an almost non-existent understanding of statistics and its relationship with causality.

You're right.

I'm the guy on these forums that doesn't understand statistics.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

The "women make 76 cents to the dollar of men" quote is complete bullsh*t. It is calculated by taking all working men/women over a certain age and looking at their income. Look at medicine: men are much more likely to go into neurosurgery, orthopedic surgery, urology etc... (the high paying surgical subspecialties) while women are much more likely to go into primary care. Hence, men doctors tend to make more. It has nothing to do with societal "oppression" or the "evil patriarchy". When stratified for equal professions, women tend to make about 94% of the pay. That pay gap is due to women not changing jobs as frequently as men.

 

[cableok]

The "women make 76 cents to the dollar of men" quote is complete bullsh*t. It is calculated by taking all working men/women over a certain age and looking at their income. Look at medicine: men are much more likely to go into neurosurgery, orthopedic surgery, urology etc... (the high paying surgical subspecialties) while women are much more likely to go into primary care. Hence, men doctors tend to make more. It has nothing to do with societal "oppression" or the "evil patriarchy". When stratified for equal professions, women tend to make about 94% of the pay. That pay gap is due to women not changing jobs as frequently as men.

Please stop with all your facts.

 

[Alpha Poke]

The wage gap is 100% crap.

 

[NZ Poke]

Dude.

I'm a feminist. I don't teach that shit.

As a feminist, what does this say to you?

 

[CBradSmith]

You're right.

I'm the guy on these forums that doesn't understand statistics.

I believe you, when you post statements like those just up the thread.

Youre not alone.

 

[TheRedSon]

As a feminist, what does this say to you?

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It tells me you use random tweets to make a point that is unrelated to either your original point or your dogged and continued defense of your use of a Nazi's quote.

 

[GL97]

n/m

 

[HighStickHarry]

I see a common mistake that shows up in debate after debate. You can't just slide back and forth between micro and macro. One does nothing to prove or disprove the other.

 

[CBradSmith]

n/m

This is wise.

 

[CBradSmith]

It tells me you use random tweets to make a point that is unrelated to either your original point or your dogged and continued defense of your use of a Nazi's quote.

Not unlike you using random "stats" in an attempt to validate your assertion that "equality" doesn't exist.

 

[07pilt]

I see a common mistake that shows up in debate after debate. You can't just slide back and forth between micro and macro. One does nothing to prove or disprove the other.

What did you do with HSH?

 

[HighStickHarry]

The wage gap is 100% crap.

What is the female equivalent to pipeline welders? Trash men? Plumbers, construction workers, carpenters? Those are high paying jobs, that generally speaking, women would be terrible at and do not sign up for.

 

[HighStickHarry]

What did you do with HSH?

Just because you have multiple personalities doesn't mean any of them have to be wrong.

 

[GL97]

This is wise.

I was going to post something, but TheRedSon is doing a great job on this thread. Not really much to add

 

[07pilt]

Not unlike you using random "stats" in an attempt to validate your assertion that "equality" doesn't exist.

Statistician Brad, If women and men had an equal shot at becoming senator, what are the chances that there would be less that 25 of either men or women?

 

[CBradSmith]

What is the female equivalent to pipeline welders? Trash men? Plumbers, construction workers, carpenters? Those are high paying jobs, that generally speaking, women would be terrible at and do not sign up for.

Your bait, I see it.

 

[CBradSmith]

Statistician Brad, If women and men had an equal shot at becoming senator, what are the chances that there would be less that 25 of either men or women?

The smartest person on the board shouldnt be asking questions, Pilt. You have a reputation to maintain.

 

[07pilt]

The smartest person on the board shouldnt be asking questions, Pilt. You have a reputation to maintain.

You are the one making claims about statistics.

I'll give you a hint: it is a binomial distribution.

 

[CBradSmith]

You are the one making claims about statistics.

I'll give you a hint: it is a binomial distribution.

But am I the one making claims and then citing statistics?

 

[07pilt]

But am I the one making claims and then citing statistics?

Brad, the odds of the senate being 25/75 (or worse) if the chances are equal and the populations are 50/50 are one in 28 million.
The senate is actually 20/80 (or worse) which will happen once every 50 billion trials if the chances truly are equal.
A 20/80 distribution is only reasonable if a one sex is about 2.6 times as likely to become senator as the other.

 

[cableok]

Brad, the odds of the senate being 25/75 (or worse) if the chances are equal and the populations are 50/50 are one in 28 million.
The senate is actually 20/80 (or worse) which will happen once every 50 billion trials if the chances truly are equal.
A 20/80 distribution is only reasonable if a one sex is about 2.6 times as likely to become senator as the other.

Women elementary school principals outnumber men in that leadership role. Male principals have decreased 18% in the last 12 years while female principals have increased 53%.

 

[CBradSmith]

Brad, the odds of the senate being 25/75 (or worse) if the chances are equal and the populations are 50/50 are one in 28 million.
The senate is actually 20/80 (or worse) which will happen once every 50 billion trials if the chances truly are equal.
A 20/80 distribution is only reasonable if a one sex is about 2.6 times as likely to become senator as the other.

Now, what are the odds, "if the chances are equal," that a randomly selected neurosurgeon, plumber, highway pavement layer, or NFL qb, chosen from an exhaustive Yellowpages for the USA, is a woman?

Using words like "chance" and "equal" to frame your position is a giveaway to even a novice. Further, running a coin-flip distribution in an attempt to demonstrate the unlikelihood of the make up of the Senate demonstrates either:

You're married to a "position" and will support it even in the face of intellectual dishonesty, or

In the face of so many variables, you simply don't know how to build a model robust enough to begin to discern causality.

 

[Medic007]

Brad, the odds of the senate being 25/75 (or worse) if the chances are equal and the populations are 50/50 are one in 28 million.
The senate is actually 20/80 (or worse) which will happen once every 50 billion trials if the chances truly are equal.
A 20/80 distribution is only reasonable if a one sex is about 2.6 times as likely to become senator as the other.

One has to run for the Senate seat to even be in consideration. Do we have an issue of a bunch of women running but not getting elected? In order to use the Senate as an example of inequality, an equal number of men and women would have to be running for Senate seats. Terrible example.

 

[GL97]

Brad, the odds of the senate being 25/75 (or worse) if the chances are equal and the populations are 50/50 are one in 28 million.
The senate is actually 20/80 (or worse) which will happen once every 50 billion trials if the chances truly are equal.
A 20/80 distribution is only reasonable if a one sex is about 2.6 times as likely to become senator as the other.

 

[07pilt]

Now, what are the odds, "if the chances are equal," that a randomly selected neurosurgeon, plumber, highway pavement layer, or NFL qb, chosen from an exhaustive Yellowpages for the USA, is a woman?

Hmm I wonder how US Senator is different than all of these.

Using words like "chance" and "equal" to frame your position is a giveaway to even a novice.

No, it is the actual question at hand.

Redson: "feminist: (noun) a person who believes in social, political and economic equality of the sexes."
BIGOSUFAN: "Total bullsh*t. Equality of the sexes is common sense and has nothing o do with "feminism.""
Redson: "Equality of the sexes obviously isn't common sense though.... If it was there'd be 200 women in Congress and at least 40 women in the Senate."

Is it your contention that a man having 2.6 times that chance a woman has to become a Senator reflects an equality of the sexes?

Further, running a coin-flip distribution in an attempt to demonstrate the unlikelihood of the make up of the Senate demonstrates either:

You're married to a "position" and will support it even in the face of intellectual dishonesty, or

In the face of so many variables, you simply don't know how to build a model robust enough to begin to discern causality.

It is is the exact model to use to test the hypothesis that women and men have an equal shot at becoming senator. It can even tell you how far off of 50/50 the chances have to be to have a 5% chance of getting 20/80 Senate (28/72)

 

[07pilt]

One has to run for the Senate seat to even be in consideration. Do we have an issue of a bunch of women running but not getting elected? In order to use the Senate as an example of inequality, an equal number of men and women would have to be running for Senate seats. Terrible example.

How many women would switch jobs with a senator, and how many men would switch jobs with a senator? I would guess 99.9% of each. Maybe you can claim that senators are a fair representation of who gets on the ballot, but then you just move the inequality downstream to ballot access.

 

[cableok]

So Pilt, if you are going to ignore important variables, namely the fact that women have not nominated themselves to run for senate offices as much as males... answer why women dominate leadership in such a strong way with elementary schools? And why is that already present gap growing?

And why do men lose Senate races in such a high quantity over females?

 

[TheRedSon]

What is the female equivalent to pipeline welders? Trash men? Plumbers, construction workers, carpenters? Those are high paying jobs, that generally speaking, women would be terrible at and do not sign up for.

FTR, women that are actually interested in welding are usually really good at it (signed by a guy that teaches welding).

 

[07pilt]

So Pilt, if you are going to ignore important variables, namely the fact that women have not nominated themselves to run for senate offices as much as males...

I have very bad news for you regarding the nomination process for Senate.

answer why women dominate leadership in such a strong way with elementary schools? And why is that already present gap growing?

How many women/men would switch jobs with an elementary school principal?

And why do men lose Senate races in such a high quantity over females?

The average woman in a senatorial races is a better candidate than the average man?

 

[cableok]

I have very bad news for you regarding the nomination process for Senate.


How many women/men would switch jobs with an elementary school principal?


The average woman in a senatorial races is a better candidate than the average man?

What is the bad news? How many women said they wanted to run for Senate and could not? I haven't heard, but it sounds like you must know. Enlighten us.

Elemetary principals are paid well. They are leadership jobs. Dont know why women would want to switch (or vice versa). But sounds like you must know. Enlighten us as to why this job is different. Please.

So men lose a lot more than women in Senate races and your answer is because they are better candidates?

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

When:

- children in Flint Michigan and Cleveland are being poisoned from drinking the water

- 20+ soldiers (who served this country) are committing sucide per day

- we have an estimated 4.6 trillion dollars of infrastructure repairs needed (just to maintain our crappy current level)



Why would I want billions of our taxdollars continuing to go to a country that enforces actual racist / eugenic / facsist policies? (While continuing to deprive children in Flint and Cleveland of basic needs - many of whom are black)


Even more, the demographic (and nation) most obsessed with weird racial shit in 2017 is crystal clear. (See below)


Studying and explaining these uncomfortable truths isn't "antisemitic" --- any more than uncomfortable facts about the Koran (and Islamic cultures) are "Islamophobic."

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[07pilt]

What is the bad news? How many women said they wanted to run for Senate and could not? I haven't heard, but it sounds like you must know. Enlighten us.

The bad news is that you can't just nominate yourself for senate.

Elemetary principals are paid well. They are leadership jobs. Dont know why women would want to switch (or vice versa). But sounds like you must know. Enlighten us as to why this job is different. Please.

I'll defer to your expertise on the the elementary school principals job market, but if it is a better job than 70% woman have, and a better job than 50% of men have, more and better women will be drawn to it.

So men lose a lot more than women in Senate races and your answer is because they are better candidates?

What is your explanation?