The leaks of the Trump's phone calls.....
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This was the quote I was referring to: " And let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid"
"But this cannot be the strongest thing in our path that keeps us from having a dialogue, and keeps us from having economic development."
Where did you find that quote?
Oddly enough, I found it on CNN...and WaPo....and NYT.
So CNN, Washington Post and The NY Times have an article about how Trump got the Mexican government to privately say they were going to pay for the wall?
Would love to see those stories and I will retract that statement.
I posted the exact quote. You claiming that is in error? Or are you claiming that is not what he meant ... even though that is exactly what he said?
Now you're trying to move the goalposts. I said I found those quotes there. I did.
Also the quote you're citing absolutely does NOT say Mexico was going to pay for the wall...nothing even close to that.
And let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid"
IS NOT
Mexican government saying they were going to pay for the wall.
Not even close.
Ahh, no.
Why don't you tell BeenJammin where you found that quote in the Washington Post?
You don't want to because the WaPo had a link to the entire transcript in a story about the call. However the story only included out of context quotes and, in fact, says in the story that Nieto said he wouldn't pay for the wall (which he did earlier in the call).
And please tell me how what he said was not about paying for the wall. I always enjoy reading language gymnastics.
I have no problem telling anyone where I found that quote in the Washington post.
I found it on the Washington post website.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...ia-mexico-transcripts/?utm_term=.3a775ce8864c
You admit that the WaPo had a link to the entire transcript in a story about the call. You claim that the quote is in the transcript (it is). Then you claim the quote can't be found in the Washington Post. Frankly, you're not making any sense whatsoever with this.
It wasn't Mexico is going to pay for the wall.....
to anyone with a lick of sense or reading comprehension.
Here is the full, context of the quote (which I found on WaPo's citation to the entire transcript), btw.
The spirit of my government, in the position of my administration, is for things to go well for the United States and for things to go well for your government, because this is the only way that we can continue working together, and that is really my honest position. Let us stop talking about who pays for the wall, talking about the wall in general, because I think there is a more creative way we can start looking for a solution. And it is the way we can remove the big block in our path. And let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid because I fully understand that it is your sovereign right to talk about this, because you are protecting your southern border. But this cannot be the strongest thing in our path that keeps us from having a dialogue, and keeps us from having economic development.
Again, that isn't anywhere close to "Mexico is going to pay for the wall". In fact, you are the one quoting and arguing completely out of context.
People argue about the weirdest things.
Don't you people have jobs that require focus and such?!
Don't you people have jobs that require focus and such?!
Congrats on your double twist with a flip. My plane is boarding now so I am out.
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Some days.
Other days like today, I mostly cutting and pasting from old briefs into a new one for yet another hearing on something I've already successfully argued multiple times before.
Kinda like many of us here.
Nice response. I understand though. No one ever wants to admit an error or that someone else's take is valid.
So what do you Nieto meant when he said "start taking about creative ways about how this wall is going to be paid"?
I don't think he was referring to a bake sale or a car wash. And he was not saying that the US would pay for it in its entirety. Reading through the transcript and the context of Luis/Jared meeting - I would guess via tariffs or a tax on trade.
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Lol....like your continued error in claiming that I didn't find the quote you cited in in WaPo? And then admitting that the quote....is in WaPo?
"The spirit of my government, in the position of my administration, is for things to go well for the United States and for things to go well for your government, because this is the only way that we can continue working together, and that is really my honest position. Let us stop talking about who pays for the wall, talking about the wall in general, because I think there is a more creative way we can start looking for a solution. And it is the way we can remove the big block in our path. And let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid because I fully understand that it is your sovereign right to talk about this, because you are protecting your southern border. But this cannot be the strongest thing in our path that keeps us from having a dialogue, and keeps us from having economic development."
Your guess completely presupposes "how this wall is going to be paid" means "how Mexico is going to pay for the wall". It doesn't say that. He could have just as easily been saying "how the US is going to pay for the wall".
More context
T:Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that.I am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay. But you cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall. I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about.
N: You have a very big mark on our back, Mr. President, regarding who pays for the wall. This is what I suggest, Mr. President – let us stop talking about the wall. I have recognized the right of any government to protect its borders as it deems necessary and convenient. But my position has been and will continue to be very firm saying that Mexico cannot pay for that wall.
T: But you cannot say that to the press. The press is going to go with that and I cannot live with that. You cannot say that to the press because I cannot negotiate under those circumstances.
N: I understand you well, Mr. President. I understand this critical point and I understand the critical political position that this constitutes for your country and for you, Mr. President. Let us look for a creative way to jump over this obstacle. It does not mean that this is not an important issue – this is an important issue. However, this is why we should walk on the path that we began, because when we start talking about the wall it prevents us from talking about other important issues that we must discuss. I clearly understand what this issue constitutes for you in the United States. And for Mexico, it is also an issue that goes beyond the economic situation because this is an issue related to the dignity of Mexico and goes to the national pride of my country. Let us for now stop talking about the wall. Let us look for a creative way to solve this issue, for this to serve both are your government, my government, and both of our societies. Let us leave this topic – let us put it aside and let us find a creative way of looking into this issue. And let us move forward on other issues that I think are positive for both of our countries. That would be my position, Mr. President.
He unequivocally states more than once Mexico will not pay for the wall. He says they should stop talking about the wall because it prevents them from dealing with the other issues facing them, move forward on the other issues and deal with the political issue of who's paying for the wall faced by both of them (and what they are going to say about it) at a later date. It's clearly not a concession that "Mexico will pay for the wall" in the context of the conversation. It's nothing but "we'll talk about it later when we have solved the more important issues facing us".
Really, you want fake news? Your storyline is patently false. You should call Hannity or something, he needs guys like you.
If fake news is quoting what someone says then I am guilty.
You and another are being obtuse. I don't think you are being obtuse because you lack intelligence, but because you are being blinded by bias.
Let me make it simple for you. If you google "Mexico will NOT pay for the wall" you get all sorts of articles. Clearly the media believes it is in their interests to report on all statements that back up that assertion because it flys in the face of what Trump has said. Obviously most of the media is anti-Trump and this helps them.
However, the transcript indicate Mexico is willing in some way to pay for the wall. That is not being reported. (except from right-wing sites). Thinking critically, is the media reporting the statement by having it as a link in a very large transcript? No. Very few are going to read a boring long transcript of a call. Even people interested in politics. Witness some replies that knew nothing about this.
So what is fake news? I submit the WaPo article as a great example. They used two separate quotes earlier in the call in which Nieto says he will not pay wall. They then use a Trump quote to make it look like he wanted Nieto to hide a portion of the discussion. They didn't however report that Trump respeatedly pushed him on issue (other than to say he threatened him) and that Nieto ended call by saying he was willing to look for ways to pay for wall.
I challenged JD to show a story by media (right-wing media doesn't count) that points out that admission by Nieto. My challenge remains.
Your challenging me to show an article that points out an admission....THAT Nieto DIDN'T MAKE.
"And let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid" simply isn't an admission or indication that Mexico is willing to pay for it. Especially when he has said repeatedly in the same conversation that Mexico ain't paying for it. It just isn't. If someone says to you "let us now start talking about creative ways these drinks are going to be paid for" they aren't saying "yeah, I got this round".
WaPo reported the transcript IN IT'S ENTIRETY. I posted the link. It provided the SOURCE DOCUMENT with the entirety of the context of all the statements. The notion that they aren't reporting it when they quote the entirety of conversation....that providing the entirety of the conversation transcript...is somehow "fake news" is ludicrous.
Good for them. I am happy to see them cooperating.
But what does that have to do with the topic of what was or wasn't said in the phone call between Trump and Nieto?
Answer: Nothing. It's off-topic spam.
Let's say Obama wanted a wall and Mexico had been saying they were not paying for months. Then Mexico says something very different at the end of the call. Do you think the media would not point that out for Obama?
With Trump every handshake with a foreign leader has been studied in slo-mo like the Zapruder film. Yet the media articles on this didn't mention the comment. One article actually had the quote of the paragraph, but deleted that sentence.
Fine if you believe Nieto didn't mean what he was saying. And it could have very well been a throw-away line to Trump. But saying find ways to get the wall paid is tons different than just 8 months ago when Fox said there was no f))))ing way they would pay. And if tables were turned media would be giving credit to Obama for negotiation.
It's not that we believe he didn't mean what he said.
It's that he didn't say what you claim he did.
Now you've gone from arguing that he committed to Mexico paying for the wall to it may very well have been a throw away line, and still arguing that the media should have reported it as a commitment from Mexico to pay for the wall.
This is a good example of the fact-free politics the right wing constantly embraces. It's just gaslighting and making up facts. So many people compartmentalize that class of crazy as if it doesn't matter, and then bite off on other narratives from the right.
My intuitive response is to reflexively resist believing them in anything and that response vindicates itself time and time again. IMO no reasonable person would consider as true any "fact" that these people communicate.
My intuitive response is to reflexively resist believing them in anything and that response vindicates itself time and time again. IMO no reasonable person would consider as true any "fact" that these people communicate.
Somehow you have convinced yourself that despite saying numerous times that Mexico will not pay for the wall, after insisting the subject of payment be dropped from the public discourse that Trump somehow bent Nieto to his will and got him to admit he would pay for the wall by saying "and let us now start talking about creative ways on how this wall is going to be paid"? Seriously? Dude, you need help if this is the hill you are willing to die on - well at least put your credibility on the line for...
Betting he keeps going, seems like a "must have the last word kinda guy..."
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