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The leaks of the Trump's phone calls.....

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Tells me those very close to Trump (Republicans IMO) are part of the establishment and are trying to destroy him.

What foreign head of state will even want to have a phone conversation with our President now that it is obvious those calls are not confidential?

I get it that some think Trump is not fit to be President and hate him with all their being, but we have hatred and establishment fear now putting this hatred and fear ahead of national security and the results of an election.

Trump's election has brought out the worst in Washington and has exposed it to be far worse in terms of corruption than I think many of us thought possible. Who on this board would leak stuff like this, even if you wanted the President removed from office and hated him?

I think we are in a period of political corruption the likes of which we have never seen. It is like we have 100's of Nixon's running around in Congress and in the WH.

No matter if you are Democratic or Republican, you should want the entire current administration and the prior administration's crimes disclosed and prosecuted. You simply can not allow party politics to enter this and favor your party or candidate, or who is in office or who just left. Crimes are crimes, and right now someone leaked information that may have neutered the ability of our President to even have a phone call and due to previous leaks countries no longer want to share intelligence with us. Think about it, America is dead in the water on its own doing.

Putin, North Korea, China, etc....they have to be giddy, we have done to ourselves what they could have never done on their own. We have criminals and traitors running our government, if this was the 60's or 70's our MSM would be calling a spade a spade and waking the country up to how serious of an offense everything that has happened over the last 8 and half years is to our democracy.

Draining the swamp will happen if Americans want it, it may not be the way Republicans wanted to see it happen, but we need to ram rod an enema for all of Washington on both parties.
 
Draining the swamp will happen if Americans want it

The problem is that most Americans don't want this, or at least, not with Trump leading the way. Hence his dismal approval ratings.

The majority of Americans are just keeping their fingers crossed till 2020.
 
The problem is that most Americans don't want this, or at least, not with Trump leading the way. Hence his dismal approval ratings.

The majority of Americans are just keeping their fingers crossed till 2020.

BS. This should not be a Trump leading the way issue. Do some people hate Trump so much they are going to say he is wrong about the Washington cess pool? The only thing that should upset people is if he turns out to be a hypocrite if charges are proven, but it does not change the fact he is right, and when he talks the swamp I personally believe he includes Republicans, he knows both sides are a cess pool. This should be all voters wanting the mess cleaned up. Dems are hypocrites if they want Trump investigated and charges brought forward on him and anyone in Washington during his tenure if needed and to not go back and clean up what Trump inherited when he took office and fully investigate HRC. You can not clean up the establishment if you do not clean it all up. Any American not wanting that is no different than those leaking classified information today. Dems and Reps need some jail cells in Washington, best way to look at it is not from Dems or Reps, but the fact we have paid public servants that have been getting away with murder for a long time and currently today, it has to be identified, big names and their minions all need to down if needed. You are talking freaking ratings...what a joke.
 
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Just like those who leaked under Obama and against Clinton?

If you play with fire, you eventually get burnt.

Who leaked telephone calls that Obama and Clinton had with other heads of state? Word for word? You are a cheer leader as JD likes to say. We have a problem NOW, get it all rooted out, all of it.

It is not our fault if we get terrible candidates to vote for, if Trump goes to jail or gets charges, that is not the voters fault. If it happens to HRC, that is not the voters fault or a reflection of those who voted for her.

Get real.
 
Do some people hate Trump so much they are going to say he is wrong about the Washington cess pool?

I don't hate Trump. I disagree with Trump's stated policy goals and believe he has no clue what he is doing. I also believe he is corrupt on a number of levels. However, that doesn't mean I hate him. I don't know him personally.

The only thing that should upset people is if he turns out to be a hypocrite if charges are proven

No, what else upsets people is his stated policy goals and his brand of politics.

As for draining the swamp, wake up. The man never intended to "drain the swamp." That was campaign rhetoric.
 
Who leaked telephone calls that Obama and Clinton had with other heads of state? Word for word?

Are you going to serious try to claim that there were not leaks under Obama or hurtful leaks that came out against Clinton?

It is called politics Okstate. Happens to both sides and when it was happening to Obama and Clinton, conservatives loved it! And now you try to cry foul when it happens to Trump? lol
 
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I don't hate Trump. I disagree with Trump's stated policy goals and believe he has no clue what he is doing. I also believe he is corrupt on a number of levels. However, that doesn't mean I hate him. I don't know him personally.



No, what else upsets people is his stated policy goals and his brand of politics.

As for draining the swamp, wake up. The man never intended to "drain the swamp." That was campaign rhetoric.

You totally blow by the real problem and make a political statement, you solved nothing.
 
Are you going to serious try to claim that there were not leaks under Obama or hurtful leaks that came out against Clinton?

It is called politics Okstate. Happens to both sides and when it was happening to Obama and Clinton, conservatives loved it! And now you try to cry foul when it happens to Trump? lol

I am not crying foul, cite me an example of any President prior to Trump that had phone calls with other heads of state leaked with a word for word transcript of the call. If you fail to see the problem in this not certain what to say. I would not approve this under Obama or Clinton you moron. I voted for Clinton first time around.
 
If you fail to see the problem in this not certain what to say.

What I see is a lot of double standards being thrown around. If you say you would oppose this under a Democrat, so be it. But there are many who would welcome it with open arms just as they did with the Obama and Clinton leak.

Trump played with fire and he is now getting burnt.

btw, I'm talking about Hillary Clinton, not Bill.
 
We are talking about our security and our lives.

Be careful with this line of thinking Okstate. It can lead to some scary places if taken to the extreme.

All of this is still politics though.
 
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Leaks are part of the environment now, no doubt about it .. word for word conversations between the pres and other world leaders, not so much. The topic is focused on this .. you're just deflecting.
 
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Be careful with this line of thinking Okstate. It can lead to some scary places if taken to the extreme.

All of this is still politics though.


congrats you just joined sys on my ignore list
 
Tells me those very close to Trump (Republicans IMO) are part of the establishment and are trying to destroy him.

What foreign head of state will even want to have a phone conversation with our President now that it is obvious those calls are not confidential?

I get it that some think Trump is not fit to be President and hate him with all their being, but we have hatred and establishment fear now putting this hatred and fear ahead of national security and the results of an election.

Trump's election has brought out the worst in Washington and has exposed it to be far worse in terms of corruption than I think many of us thought possible. Who on this board would leak stuff like this, even if you wanted the President removed from office and hated him?

I think we are in a period of political corruption the likes of which we have never seen. It is like we have 100's of Nixon's running around in Congress and in the WH.

No matter if you are Democratic or Republican, you should want the entire current administration and the prior administration's crimes disclosed and prosecuted. You simply can not allow party politics to enter this and favor your party or candidate, or who is in office or who just left. Crimes are crimes, and right now someone leaked information that may have neutered the ability of our President to even have a phone call and due to previous leaks countries no longer want to share intelligence with us. Think about it, America is dead in the water on its own doing.

Putin, North Korea, China, etc....they have to be giddy, we have done to ourselves what they could have never done on their own. We have criminals and traitors running our government, if this was the 60's or 70's our MSM would be calling a spade a spade and waking the country up to how serious of an offense everything that has happened over the last 8 and half years is to our democracy.

Draining the swamp will happen if Americans want it, it may not be the way Republicans wanted to see it happen, but we need to ram rod an enema for all of Washington on both parties.


key words in your post

"the results of an election"

once the russia thing comes out to be the joke that it is

obamacare premiums do their october hike

2018 is gonna play right into trumps hands
 
The topic is focused on this .. you're just deflecting.

No, I'm not. Some are outraged over these leaks but would not (or were not be) outraged over other types of leaks. And for the most part, from what I have seen so far, the outrage over these leaks are confined to those already predisposed to defend Trump.

congrats you just joined sys on my ignore list

Thanks, I consider that a compliment on this board.
 


this dude is running the mccarthy playbook for out of date crisis management

your house is out of order so you are going to crackdown on the media

sessions seems to be the god and sin type
 
The problem is that most Americans don't want this, or at least, not with Trump leading the way. Hence his dismal approval ratings.

The majority of Americans are just keeping their fingers crossed till 2020.

IMO...and I try to only speak for myself rather than "most Americans"....the problem is that I don't see Trump trying to drain the swamp. I see him trying to put his own loyal alligators in the swamp to replace the alligators that are there now.
 
IMO...and I try to only speak for myself rather than "most Americans"....

When I say most Americans, I am referencing Trump's dismal approval rating. If Trump's approval ratings were in the 50s or higher, I would say most Americans are with him right now.

the problem is that I don't see Trump trying to drain the swamp. I see him trying to put his own loyal alligators in the swamp to replace the alligators that are there now.

I completely agree.

The whole drain the swamp thing was simply campaign rhetoric that Trump supporters bought for some reason.
 
I am not crying foul, cite me an example of any President prior to Trump that had phone calls with other heads of state leaked with a word for word transcript of the call. If you fail to see the problem in this not certain what to say. I would not approve this under Obama or Clinton you moron. I voted for Clinton first time around.

Are you asserting that leaks of phone call transcripts are somehow more egregious or treasonous) than:
-leaks of classified info about the NK or Iran's nuclear power programs (Stephen Jin-Woo KimJeffrey Sterling) or the name of an undercover CIA officer (John Kiriakou)?

To me, a leak of classified information is a leak of classified information. They are all about the same on the malice scale.
 
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When I say most Americans, I am referencing Trump's dismal approval rating. If Trump's approval ratings were in the 50s or higher, I would say most Americans are with him right now.

I addition to trying not to speak on behalf of most Americans, I don't put much faith in pollsters ability to do so either.

That's just me though.
 
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IMO...and I try to only speak for myself rather than "most Americans"....the problem is that I don't see Trump trying to drain the swamp. I see him trying to put his own loyal alligators in the swamp to replace the alligators that are there now.

"what mean you say loyal alligators?"
 
I addition to trying not to speak on behalf of most Americans, I don't put much faith in pollsters ability to do so either.

Fair enough. I, for the most part, trust national polling as long as the internals are consistent. Individual state polling on the other hand can be very problamatic.

Fact is though, Trump's approval rating is horrible right now consistently. The majority of Americans are not with him at the moment.
 
"what mean you say loyal alligators?"

I mean that IMO, he's not interested in draining the swamp I.e. removing the influence of big money and corruption from government...his actions have reflected he's okay with big money and corruption in government as long as they are loyal to him.

He isn't unique in that aspect. Basically, I'm saying he's just another politician....not an ethics crusader.
 
I mean that IMO, he's not interested in draining the swamp I.e. removing the influence of big money and corruption from government...his actions have reflected he's okay with big money and corruption in government as long as they are loyal to him.

He isn't unique in that aspect. Basically, I'm saying he's just another politician....not an ethics crusader.

interested to know a few key items
you base your opinion on
 


this dude is running the mccarthy playbook for out of date crisis management

your house is out of order so you are going to crackdown on the media

sessions seems to be the god and sin type

If you can't track down where the leaks are coming from the inside, then another way to find them is to work backwards from known recipients. Maybe that's what he's talking about (?).
 
If you can't track down where the leaks are coming from the inside, then another way to find them is to work backwards from known recipients. Maybe that's what he's talking about (?).


that to me is a cop out

people with access to that information know the rules more specifically the law

put a few in the pen and you make a statement

shoot those wielding the pen is dangerous to democracy
 
Fair enough. I, for the most part, trust national polling as long as the internals are consistent. Individual state polling on the other hand can be very problamatic.

Fact is though, Trump's approval rating is horrible right now consistently. The majority of Americans are not with him at the moment.

Sure it is.

I guess what I am really saying is that what the majority of Americans favor or disfavor is pretty irrelevant to me when I make my evaluations about anything.
 
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interested to know a few key items
you base your opinion on

The sheer number of big money donors and Wall Street people (remember how he went after Hillary for Goldman Sachs) in his Cabinet and administration is a good start.

His own past history in the business world is also at least part of my basis. He has never struck me as particularly ethical or above board.

Again, I'm not saying he's WORSE than any of the others....he's just more of the same.

Meet the new boss.

Sameas the old boss.

Probably my inherent extreme cynicism also plays into it.
 
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Be careful with this line of thinking Okstate.
You seem to have a thing for telling other posters to be careful with their line of thinking. Is there some unstable person on this board we should be concerned with?
 
Are you asserting that leaks of phone call transcripts are somehow more egregious or treasonous) than:
-leaks of classified info about the NK or Iran's nuclear power programs (Stephen Jin-Woo KimJeffrey Sterling) or the name of an undercover CIA officer (John Kiriakou)?

To me, a leak of classified information is a leak of classified information. They are all about the same on the malice scale.

You are correct on malice, but if you are a head of state, do you talk to Trump over the phone knowing a transcript could come out? I don't. That limits the oval office severely, regardless of who is in it to govern. Unless that leak is exposed and taken out and protections made, the same could go for the next commander in chief, regardless of what party they are from. We are worried about Russian interference in our elections which is fine and it is being investigated, but this action causes a huge problem for any future President, it interferes with the ability of the office to serve the people tremendously. Prez suppose to now has to have burner phones and always make his conversations private?

I am for stopping all leaks, I just feel like a whole new line was crossed with these transcripts, no matter who the President is, if the President is not safe from this who is, then let's just print all the transcripts for all congressman's conversations. Why stop there? Why not every citizen as well? Only, our calls not a matter of national importance.
 
that to me is a cop out

people with access to that information know the rules more specifically the law

put a few in the pen and you make a statement

shoot those wielding the pen is dangerous to democracy
FYI - subpoena doesn't mean arrest or charge with a crime if that is what you're suggesting; it is a tool for gathering evidence
 
I guess what I am really saying is that what the majority of Americans favor or disfavor is pretty irrelevant to me when I make my evaluations about anything.

Same here in the sense of personal evaluation.

However, if one makes a statement about Americans or the majority of Americans, they should have something to back it up with.
 
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