The latest from Cernovich, Watson, Posobiec, Jones, NZ and O'keefe. revisited..
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Your feelings and emotions towards the provider of information aren't relevant.
It's easy to make a case (based on simple math) that Mao was exponentially worse than Stalin or Hitler.
Everyone should research the Great Leap Forward --- something we don't have a visual reference of because the Chinese government hides it.
(And because Hollywood has rarely made movies showing life in communist societies, nor movies portraying Marxism negatively)
READ CLOSELY:
Important:
In 2009, Obama's communications director praised Mao:
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Your feelings and emotions towards the provider of information aren't relevant.
It's easy to make a case (based on simple math) that Mao was exponentially worse than Stalin or Hitler.
Everyone should research the Great Leap Forward --- something we don't have a visual reference of because the Chinese government hides it.
(And because Hollywood has rarely made movies showing life in communist societies, nor movies portraying Marxism negatively)
READ CLOSELY:
Important:
In 2009, Obama's communications director praised Mao:
Test...
I’m just going to take the quotes off all nzpokes posts to rustle you and medic. There’s no ignore here!!!!
Now TWO ignores. It’s an avalanche. Before you know it, it will be just you and Hollywood discussing three sides of the same coin.
In all seriousness with all of the absolute garbage on here the last 10-15 years it’s disappointing to see any long time poster go the ignore route. If anything it is enlightening just to see what opinions exist and are being discussed by any size swath of the country. You are supposed to be leather skinned jd. Someone we look to for insight. Clicking that button is in some sense a retreat. You lived through toon, dle, cup, and syskatine and mega, you can live through this. Stay pure to keep the ghetto badge of no shit stirrer left behind.
But at least those guys engage you. They respond, even if you fundamentally disagree with them, they at least stick around and argue it and defend their position. And at the bare minimum, it's entertaining.
This guy drops a bunch of links and leaves. @NZ Poke almost never engages in dialogue. He copy and pastes YouTube links and tweets then runs off, rarely coming back to defend any claims. He's a bot and not much else.
Unless he posts a link that crashes your computer like that one guy that ran for okc mayor then ignore is off limits imo. Remember this board was created because it was so disgusting, so off putting so over the top that the sports fans and Netflix nerds just couldn’t stand to be around us. This is not a fvcking library, this is a filthy alley with rats scurrying around and we are all standing around a barrel with burning furniture in it drinking cans of Steele. I just think this is an intellectual threshold I don’t want someone like jd to cross. You can ignore or skim over without officially pushing that button.
Nah....you can fight the “good fight”.
If it’s a retreat, I’m good with retreating. I’m done with it. The “ accidental” anti-Semite wins this round, and I’m gonna be happier and more at peace for it.
Never criticize those of us who use the ignore button, especially us who are survivors of the shunt wars.
It would come as a surprise to me to learn that a society based on individualism and free market capitalism would be responsible for deaths caused by famine and preventable disease. Please explain.
Pretty self explanatory. Do people die from famine in the capitalist world system? If yes then we chalk that up to capitalism, just as we apparently equivocate great leap forward famine deaths with holocaust gas chamber deaths.
Here is a list of famines for your reference.
The fall of communism in Russia is has resulted in conservatively 6.6 million excess deaths.
I know, I know, no true Scotsman (capitalism).
I looked over the list provided by your link. Since the Scotsman to whom you refer didn’t publish his book until 1776 let’s go with that date as the beginning of capitalism. I’m curious which famines post 1776 do you attribute to capitalism. And would you be so kind as to explain how capitalism was responsible for those famines? Probably it would be beneficial if you would explain what you mean by capitalism. That may be the source of my confusion as regards your claim.
Capitalism is an economic system characterized by the private ownership of productive capital. I attribute all the famines in non communist countries after 1800 on the list to capitalism. An economic system is a system for producing and distributing goods and services. If there is famine under capitalism then food was either insufficiently produced or distributed by capitalism.
So the Tenmei famine in Japan in the 1780’s was a consequence of capitalism? The emperor of Japan would have been astonished to know he supervised over a capitalist system. Or was that another communist famine? Should we go over each famine one by one?
Nicely done! Move the date! Look, I get it. You don’t really believe what you’re saying. Your just a young person that is infatuated with collectivism, and you feel insulted by historical evidence. You feel the best maneuver is to put the evil that has been done in the name of collectivism equally onto the shoulders of individualism. We both know that’s nonsense, but it is understandable that you see that as your only play. We can stop now. There’s no need to continue the charade.
Ponca Dan, I never moved the date. The only date I ever mentioned is 1800. I have noticed this is a consistent behavior on your part. When you get stumped and are confronted with the limitations of your utopian ideology you accuse the stumper of bad faith and implacability and insist that the argument is a "charade." If in the future I don't engage you, you will know that it is because I don't want to waste my time on someone who scurries off anytime his views are challenged.
Fair enough. Which famines after 1800 do you attribute to capitalism? And how did capitalism cause those famines? How about the Tenpo famines in Japan in the 1830’s? Had Japan’s economy become capitalist in the 1830’s? And if so, how did capitalism cause them?
In your earlier reply you inferred there are only 2 possibilities for causing famine: comunism and capitalism. Did I understand you correctly in that regard? Was Japan communist or capitalist in the 1830’s?
Or how about the great Persian famine of 1870/71? Caused by capitalism? Or maybe communism? I don’t know. You seem to think you do. So please enlighten me. I will try not to scurry off. Frankly I was unaware my views had been seriously challenged. I was just trying to avoid the “you too” Argument you were trying to make.
I don’t think there’s any doubt Mao’s Great Leap was a great leap into famine. Good old Joe Stalin probably caused his famines on purpose. Collectivism in the name of socialism or communism has a way of ending up like that. Or so history would tell us.
Great reply. You'll be met with stupidity, er I meant lack of any meaningful knowledge. Thus capitalism equals famine.
All the ones that occurred in capitalist countries or their colonies. So all the countries, with the exceptions being communist countries and straggling feudal countries
By not producing and distributing enough food to people
Hard to say whether Japan in the 1830s is feudal or capitalist, I'll bow to your judgement on the Tenpo Famines.
I implied that the economic system is responsible for famines. The fact that their were still feudal societies in the 19th century doesn't really change the point, except to the extent that we can now nitpick the famine list a little more.
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It isn't a "you too" argument. I'm not defending Mao or Stalin by comparing their famines to those of capitalism. I'm merely critiquing capitalism.
And just as the central planning committee that determined the production and distribution of food in Stalin's Russia and Mao's China caused those famines, the market that determines the production and distribution of food in capitalist countries and their colonies and vassals are the cause of the famines there.
He wasn’t referring to Adam Smith. He was referring to this informal logical fallacy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
It’s very easy to argue that no famines can fairly be attributed to a capitalistic society when you also argue there has been no truly idealistic capitalistic, free market society in existence ever.
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