Teachers Strike...No School Monday
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You think anyone outside of Oklahoma is following this closely?
The WV strike was national news. The Oklahoma strike will be too. You think any businesses will want to move to Oklahoma or any professional young couples with school-aged kids? This is a horrible thing for the state.
From what I heard, the teachers that are within ~10 years of retirement are likely going to be okay with the reduced money. If some of the teachers begin to cave, it is going to make it tougher for the others to maintain the protest.
Does anyone else think that the OEA is starting to lose power?
Does anyone else think that the OEA is starting to lose power?
Lose power? They sure haven't exercised much power regarding their own checks.
It is bad. West Virginia stopped their strike for. 5% raise. Oklahoma teachers are now getting a plus 15% raise. Any sentiment for the teachers will be lost if they are out of school beyond Monday.
If that is your attitude after getting 15% raise and demanding more while shutting schools down...yeh. **** you.
I'm just repeating what you said the other day.
Funding and class sizes are a major part of this, you realize? Both of which are not being addressed.
I want money for those more than pay increase for teachers. I also want to shitcan 50%+ of the admin in the state and push that money into the classrooms where it goes.
The state ****ed up bad and unfortunately you cannot miracle the money back all at once. This is a nice step, more is needed. If teachers do more than make an appearance Monday (ie keep schools closed longer) than it’s a dumb move.
I agree it is a nice step. And frankly, I'm amazed that it passed so quickly. The fear (and I think it's a legitimate one) is that this is going to be interpreted as the last bill for education for the next decade plus, if history is any indication whatever passes and is accepted will be the new status quo for education for a while.
I do think the majority of districts will be in class Tuesday. But, even with this bill, we still aren't up to snuff regionally and will soon get left in the dust again, in my opinion. I also don't see how this bill helps schools that are doing 4 days a week, can't offer AP classes, have horrible facilities, etc...
Yeah when I visit another state and the conversation turns to “where you from?” Oklahoma. Oh, bet you’re embarrassed by how you treat your teachers in that state. I usually turn red and change the subject as quickly as possible. It’s the most embarrassing thing ever.
Yeah, dumb comment by BIG. Sharp dude and normally pretty spot on, but using emotional language instead of precision in language to diagnose areas of critical need comes across as....lazy.
They’re being well taken care of. My daughter received her box lunch today at school with a note from the district saying everything’s going to be ok. Not a bad box. I’ve already eaten half of it.
The walkout is not about teacher pay now. It is about money for support staff and general fund levels. This is about lowering class sizes, buying textbooks and many other items teachers pay out of pocket. It is about making us competitive again.
Support staff, including bus drivers, meal workers, janitors and especially Paraprofessionals who deal with the mentally ill of the district (changing diapers and being hit, kicked and bitten is not fun) deserve a raise.
No way Teachers end this walk out with their colleagues not being taken care of.
So, if I'm a parent with a kid in public school and a voter, I'm now supposed to support wherever teachers decide to put the goal posts past the raise they were walking out for? What's next? And then after that? And then after that?
the teachers needed to have a bill with all of their demands and what the price tag was gonna be in place
now the teachers get to learn about politics cause all of the above ain’t gonna sell as medic has already pointed out by his questioning
Hey, I’m 100% behind this part, and it should have been first before teachers got a raise. The problem is, you simply cannot come up with the revenue for all of it in a single year. The legislators in this state have spent many years ****ing it up, it could take a few years to fix it.
As with anything that deals with more revenue there needs to be some trade off. We need to make structural changes in education or we aren’t fixing the problem at all.
OEA demand: 10 k for teachers over 3 years
Bill gave a 5k to 7 k raise and is not fully funded after the about face on thehotel tax
OEA demand: 5 k pay raise for support staff over 2 years.
Bill gave support 1250 for one year.
OEA demand: 200 million in increased education funding over 3 years.
Bill gave 50 million for one year.
OEA demand: 7500 for state employees over 3 years.
Bill gave 750-to 2000.
Do you see why no one is satisfied?
We did. Price tag was 900 million and the OEA presented a plan to pay for it. What just passed was 470 million until the GOP caved on a freaking 5 dollar hotel tax and so now we are at 400 million.
Not really...the demands should be at the top end with expectations of settling for somewhere in the middle.
Not in this case. When you have sat down and shut up for decades, when you last had a walk out in 1990, when the last time your state has passed a positive revenue bill none of your students were alive, and when you have ZERO faith the legislature will do the right thing in future years:
YOU GO FOR IT ALL NOW.
You have to do it now. This chance may never come again.
So your walkout is also tied to other state employees? Sorry, not supporting that. That has nothing to do with education. Our state is bloated with government employees. I'm not blindly going to support a pay raise for all of them, especially at that amount.
Government employees are the whipping boys of the radical right, but they are the ones who make this state run. Don't cry about how slow the DMV is, or that mental health facilities are woefully understaffed and then at the same time justify the fact no raise for them in a decade.
Those parts of the state (especially health) are a dumpster fire of funding issues....but it's just about giving employees pay raises?
Yeah. Good luck with this conservative government. Soak it up. Conservatism in action.
It is far-right conservatism in action. Big difference between those loons and everyday, normal conservative folk.
You may be right, I dunno. They were elected by everyday, normal conservative folk, though.
No kidding...the state workers have no place at this table! Here is what this is and only what this is, the unions trying to stick together and piggyback their demands in unison.
I'm okay with the teachers having this fight, but adding the state workers was just dumb.
This is such crap! You operate on the premise that anyone who doesn't agree with your in-depth opinion about state workers is a "radical right," is laughable. The government workers don't make this state run.....the entrepreneurs, business owners and taxpayers make this state run.
Is not the legislature considered "government employees?" They seem to be your whipping boys right now, right? I know fort sure your not a "radical right."
Here's the deal and I would say its applicable for most things government workers do. Find me a job that government workers do for "x" and I bet you can find a private group that can do it for "x-2." I mean filling in pot holes with asphalt so it can wash away with the next heavy rain is some heady stuff and well worth the expense.
I recently had the pleasure of needing to drive through the construction on I-44 - I-244 in east Tulsa county and Rogers county. They did a heck of job, and while I don't know this for a fact they probably came in ahead of schedule. They were most likely incentivized to do so which is great as well, but the job they did and the finished product is really nice and there is no way a unionized government organization would have been as efficient and timely!
