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Have they said what the shooter's motivation was yet, or are we just screaming "ILLEGALS" because that's the best excuse they can come up with? Kind of like the board's early insistence the Jan. 6 rioters were antifa. Truth is irrelevant, this "ILLEGALS" is probably just the usual conservative gaslighting.

The cult LIKES seeing this and seeing innocent people in anguish. Its why they whatabout it and supported Alex Jones terrorizing kids' surviving families.

Incidentally, it's not a coincidence that the same party obstructing solutions to mass murder also disproportionately commits mass murder.
 
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Have they said what the shooter's motivation was yet, or are we just screaming "ILLEGALS" because that's the best excuse they can come up with? Kind of like the board's early insistence the Jan. 6 rioters were antifa. Truth is irrelevant, this "ILLEGALS" is probably just the usual conservative gaslighting.

The cult LIKES seeing this and seeing innocent people in anguish. Its why they whatabout it and supported Alex Jones terrorizing kids' surviving families.

Incidentally, it's not a coincidence that the same party obstructing solutions to mass murder also disproportionately commits mass murder.
From what I have been able to glean, it has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration other than that it took place near the border and many of the kids were children of/related to federal/state agents working to prevent illegal immigration.
 
Maybe bars on the windows and concertina wire around the perimeter would save some kids.

Or just formally declare the country as a conservative, violent shithole because Republicans got their way.
Like Chicago? Is it a conservative, violent shithole?

What about Baltimore?
 
That’s bullshit unless he was sophisticated enough to alter the bump stock.
He was lucky enough to avoid being taken out with a head shot in the beginning

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I think that is an excellent proposal, but it’s missing one key ingredient. Your proposal needs to cost several billion dollars ($40 billion sounds about right). And then it needs to be funneled through the US arms industry. Then it would be assured of passing - fast track! - and our politicians can crow about how they’ve solved the problem!
 
From what I have been able to glean, it has absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration other than that it took place near the border and many of the kids were children of/related to federal/state agents working to prevent illegal immigration.

They're flailing at any potential liberal blame and it sounds like this is a conservative area. It's certainly in a red state. Texas has a ton of mass shootings. The church (or two?), El Paso, the military base, this, a cafeteria, it goes on and on. Lots of guns and conservative ideology.


Like Chicago? Is it a conservative, violent shithole?

What about Baltimore?

You're whatabouting aren't you?

Were you in the at thread a few years ago where I posted a graph of shooting deaths by country and we're insanely high and all the other western democracies regulate guns and they don't have near these problems? The board found every conceivable reason to say that wouldn't work here, it's totally different, etc. The mental gymnastics to do anything but stop manboys from feeling like King Kong is wild.
 
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They're flailing at any potential liberal blame and it sounds like this is a conservative area. It's certainly in a red state. Texas has a ton of mass shootings. The church (or two?), El Paso, the military base, this, a cafeteria, it goes on and on. Lots of guns and conservative ideology.




You're whatabouting aren't you?

Were you in the at thread a few years ago where I posted a graph of shooting deaths by country and we're insanely high and all the other western democracies regulate guns and they don't have near these problems? The board found every conceivable reason to say that wouldn't work here, it's totally different, etc. The mental gymnastics to do anything but stop manboys from feeling like King Kong is wild.
Take away guns and the sheep are a lot easier for the government to control.

Is Australia still in lockdown?
 
Congress will be serious about death in this country when both sides agree to compromise on the following:

1. Illegal Immigration - Need fair immigration laws and enforce them. How many more COVID infections and death? Fentanyl deaths? And child trafficking? Even if you were to make guns totally illegal in this country, the open borders will just allow the cartels to now make money off black market guns. This is a FACT. If kids can get drugs thru the black market brought in thru Mexico? They will get a gun if they want one. This issue right now killing far more than what is happening in schools.

2. Reasonable gun controls. We need a better computer infrastructure in place to be able to do really good background checks. I would be ok pushing the legal limit to own a gun to 21, but if you do that it should also be the legal age required to join the military during peace time or if no congressional approved draft is active. I would also be ok with cost effective gun insurance to be required to own a gun, in the event you injured someone intentionally or by your own negligence. I am not for taxing something that is 2A right.

3. Federal grant money for more security for schools, from physical facility, security personnel, counselors (to identify kids at risk), and digital media tracking. We can pay billions to protect Ukraine and protect other countries, but not our own kids. Anyone mocking this? You just want the guns. You have to ask the why and not the how. Again, you can take away all guns, but if someone wants to kill school kids and can just walk in any open back door without proper security, plenty of ways to kill. If you believe 20 is too many? So is one. 94% of school shootings happen in a public schools, many lessons can be learned here, and some of it is culture and the value systems taught in those schools as well as demographics and security. Again, open borders means easily sourced illegal guns and drugs.

4. Return abortion to a state issue, and late term abortions under any circumstance has to be considered murder. You can't cry over a 4 YO being shot and be ok with all the adults in an abortion clinic, clipping the vocal chords of the nearly born first so you can not hear them cry as they are murdered.

All of these 4 items impact the youngest and most vulnerable. The inability of both sides of the aisle to put aside partisan politics and their own lobby money and votes to do what is right reeks of the moral corruption in Washington, D.C.

That is what is wrong with this country. Each tribe only wants their exact policies, to the exclusion of all other compromises and passing of laws that may not be perfect, but will actually improve the amount of lives needlessly snuffed out each year in this country.

In my mind, that is what a moderate would do and that is what someone with a moral conscience would do.

Many years ago on a trip to Belgium, on the way back from Belgium I was on a flight that flew in to Washington D.C. and then I connected to OKC. I just so happened to be sitting next to the #2 person in the Obama Admin in the Dept of Education. It was a long flight. I shared my thoughts on education and how to fix it, he agreed with me and said this is what China does but this country will never accept it and he had been to China several times and had given speeches in China.

I then asked about school shootings. When I did that he huffed and puffed, squirmed in his seat, ran his hands thru his hair several times, he looked like he might have a panic attack and he started to sweat. I started to apologize for asking, frankly I was shocked by his reaction. He then told me although we were on a very long flight, and they had all the research, that it is a very complicated issue and there was not enough time on the flight to explain it all. But what he said last was concerning, he said that it was so complicated all of the issues that go in to someone being a young active shooter in a school, that it was most likely impossible to ever stop completely or even accurately predict the individual. He said the complexity was immense.

Bottom line no magic to be found here. Our politicians refuse to compromise, refuse common sense, cater to both extremes, and are more than happy to trade death for votes. As usual, like Pavlov's dog, our politicians use the worst news of the day and try to figure out how to benefit themselves, their lobby, and their position, and MSM is all too happy to oblige.

Sometimes to change the opinions of people, you have to replace them, all of them. That is what we need, to flush em all down the toilet, and elect moderate liberals and conservatives to office that can compromise.
 
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Take away guns and the sheep are a lot easier for the government to control.

Is Australia still in lockdown?
Yes…let’s compare us and Australia in terms of capital criminal impulse:



Carry on
 
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Congress will be serious about death in this country when both sides agree to compromise on the following:

1. Illegal Immigration - Need fair immigration laws and enforce them. How many more COVID infections and death? Fentanyl deaths? And child trafficking? Even if you were to make guns totally illegal in this country, the open borders will just allow the cartels to now make money off black market guns. This is a FACT. If kids can get drugs thru the black market brought in thru Mexico? They will get a gun if they want one. This issue right now killing far more than what is happening in schools.

2. Reasonable gun controls. We need a better computer infrastructure in place to be able to do really good background checks. I would be ok pushing the legal limit to own a gun to 21, but if you do that it should also be the legal age required to join the military during peace time or if no congressional approved draft is active. I would also be ok with cost effective gun insurance to be required to own a gun, in the event you injured someone intentionally or by your own negligence. I am not for taxing something that is 2A right.

3. Federal grant money for more security for schools, from physical facility, security personnel, counselors (to identify kids at risk), and digital media tracking. We can pay billions to protect Ukraine and protect other countries, but not our own kids. Anyone mocking this? You just want the guns. You have to ask the why and not the how. Again, you can take away all guns, but if someone wants to kill school kids and can just walk in any open back door without proper security, plenty of ways to kill. If you believe 20 is too many? So is one. 94% of school shootings happen in a public schools, many lessons can be learned here, and some of it is culture and the value systems taught in those schools as well as demographics and security. Again, open borders means easily sourced illegal guns and drugs.

4. Return abortion to a state issue, and late term abortions under any circumstance has to be considered murder. You can't cry over a 4 YO being shot and be ok with all the adults in an abortion clinic, clipping the vocal chords of the nearly born first so you can not hear them cry as they are murdered.

All of these 4 items impact the youngest and most vulnerable. The inability of both sides of the aisle to put aside partisan politics and their own lobby money and votes to do what is right reeks of the moral corruption in Washington, D.C.

That is what is wrong with this country. Each tribe only wants their exact policies, to the exclusion of all other compromises and passing of laws that may not be perfect, but will actually improve the amount of lives needlessly snuffed out each year in this country.

In my mind, that is what a moderate would do and that is what someone with a moral conscience would do.

Many years ago on a trip to Belgium, on the way back from Belgium I was on a flight that flew in to Washington D.C. and then I connected to OKC. I just so happened to be sitting next to the #2 person in the Obama Admin in the Dept of Education. It was a long flight. I shared my thoughts on education and how to fix it, he agreed with me and said this is what China does but this country will never accept it and he had been to China several times and had given speeches in China.

I then asked about school shootings. When I did that he huffed and puffed, squirmed in his seat, ran his hands thru his hair several times, he looked like he might have a panic attack and he started to sweat. I started to apologize for asking, frankly I was shocked by his reaction. He then told me although we were on a very long flight, and they had all the research, that it is a very complicated issue and there was not enough time on the flight to explain it all. But what he said last was concerning, he said that it was so complicated all of the issues that go in to someone being a young active shooter in a school, that it was most likely impossible to ever stop completely or even accurately predict the individual. He said the complexity was immense.

Bottom line no magic to be found here. Our politicians refuse to compromise, refuse common sense, cater to both extremes, and are more than happy to trade death for votes. As usual, like Pavlov's dog, our politicians use the worst news of the day and try to figure out how to benefit themselves, their lobby, and their position, and MSM is all too happy to oblige.

Sometimes to change the opinions of people, you have to replace them, all of them. That is what we need, to flush em all down the toilet, and elect moderate liberals and conservatives to office that can compromise.


Dr Fauci’s virus origin coverup gave the WHO and CDC an excuse to not press the Chinese to allow infectious disease experts to visit and investigate the lab, leaving the Chinese government to shape the narrative, destroy incriminating evidence, and escape any responsibility or accountability.

Also covered up, now known through the email release, is Dr Fauci overestimating COVID mortality by a factor of 10. This number drove lockdowns, school and business closures, wrecking the US economy and the lives of so many Americans.

Dr Fauci also downplayed masks privately while pushing them publicly, from none to one to two then back to one. In February 2020 he admitted in an email,


Privately he acknowledged what was well known in public health, but publicly he terrorized the US population to the point that fully vaccinated Americans are now afraid to leave their house without two masks and goggles.

Asymptomatic spread, rare in viral illnesses, was another one of Dr Fauci’s pronouncements, leading to countless bankrupted businesses and restaurants, closed schools, and distancing rules. Did he believe what he said? In a February 2000 email, he said otherwise, “most transmissions occur from someone who is symptomatic, not asymptomatic.”

Why did he publicly say what he didn’t believe privately, leaving a swath of destruction in the wake of his misstatements?

Dr Fauci and the insiders knew the truth but chose not to be forthcoming and share it with the people. Instead, they used it as fear porn, hollering about ventilator and ICU bed shortages, leading some governors to send infected patients into nursing home killing fields. One might borrow a popular Democrat phrase from the Bush era, “Fauci lied, people died”.

Such asymptomatic spread was the basis of mail-in voting, and we all know how that turned out. Was that part of the big plan? How convenient.

We will learn more in the days ahead and may find that Dr Fauci’s public pronouncements were far different than what he privately believed and expressed. Imagine how the pandemic would have played out with more honesty from those authority figures leading the American response?

What about the next viral pandemic? According to Rasmussen Reports, 68% of likely US voters believe the Fauci Flu originated in a Chinese lab. One can infer that two-thirds of Americans don’t buy what the government is selling, the narrative from Dr Fauci and others.

When the next virus comes calling, as in the first case of a new strain of Chinese bird flu, and if it’s far more lethal than COVID, will the public heed the words of the next generation of Dr Fauci’s? Or is their credibility blown, like the boy who cried wolf?

If COVID had been treated as any other viral pandemic, without the crushing mandates and regulations which destroyed the US economy and many people’s lives, life in America today might be far different. Was this ever about the virus or about a presidential election, and framing the narrative to defeat Donald Trump regardless of the downstream consequences?

What better way to memorialize Dr Fauci’s role in this pandemic than by renaming the virus the “Fauci Flu.”


Carry on
 
Take away guns and the sheep are a lot easier for the government to control.

Is Australia still in lockdown?
Now we're gonna arm the groomers, huh?

I don't know. What does that have to do with anything? They don't have these mass shootings like we do. Wonder why?

Take away guns and sheep are easier to control. You say that after a nut killed 19 people in an elementary school. THat's okay - they're not your kids, so those generalities really ring true. What's a little kid blood so guys can feel tough?
 
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Dim science should acknowledge all the COVID deaths from an open border. Or was that another Dim lie? Votes drive Dim policies and create massive hypocrisy. I mean shit, the teachers and Dims shut down all the schools, to get this, protect the children. Follow the science. Explain how Dim COVID science reconciles to an open border with no testing? Massive amounts of people together with no social distancing. Lying hypocritical POS’s.

As for the Fentanyl deaths and child trafficking? Simple fact. No Dim science required.

Please CaRry oN.
 
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Dim science should acknowledge all the COVID deaths from an open border. Or was that another Dim lie? Votes drive Dim policies and create massive hypocrisy. I mean shit, the teachers and Dims shut down all the schools, to get this, protect the children. Follow the science. Explain how Dim COVID science reconciles to an open border with no testing? Massive amounts of people together with no social distancing.

As for the Fentanyl deaths and child trafficking? Simple fact. No Dim science required.

Please CaRry oN.

LOL what? These illegals didn't mask up and vaccinate??? Hell I just saw a republican senate candidate brag on an ad he didn't get a vaccine!
 
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We might not know exactly how it went down with all the spinning that goes on. I thought I had saw reports with following items
entered with an open back door that was unlocked and yes a vest but no plating, grandma was over a cell phone bill squabble, he bought the guns himself , high school dropout, bullied during youth, border patrol was in the group that responded (tactical Group?)
 
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Dim science should acknowledge all the COVID deaths from an open border. Or was that another Dim lie? Votes drive Dim policies and create massive hypocrisy. I mean shit, the teachers and Dims shut down all the schools, to get this, protect the children. Follow the science. Explain how Dim COVID science reconciles to an open border with no testing? Massive amounts of people together with no social distancing. Lying hypocritical POS’s.

As for the Fentanyl deaths and child trafficking? Simple fact. No Dim science required.

Please CaRry oN.
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Ah.. the old “I know you are but what am I” tactic. Sick burn!
Amazing you crawled out from underneath your rock politically to politically ambulance chase like Beto over the death of kids. It is ok, I would avoid this board like a plague in embarrassment over the Prez you voted for. You probably did a mental dance after the shooting thinking you could use this for political fodder, and that is exactly when you returned. We see your faux outrage.
 
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Ah. So now we have morphed from "lock the doors and post a guard" to "lock the doors and post 2 guards". We are really making progress.

Did you know that Greg Abbot said that the state of Texas spent 6 million dollars trying to "harden" Texas schools and prevent these things from happening? Wow. 6 million dollars! That's approximately $60,000 per school. That should buy a lot of door locks. All is well.
Your math is broken.
 
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I seriously can't think of a corporate office I have been to where a motivated person couldn't kill twenty people before being stopped. Maybe places that require DOD clearance?
The YouTube shooting (4 injured, perp took their own life) is a pretty good example. Google provides top-of-the-line corporate security at its facilities and while there were some changes/improvements made after that event it was mostly optics. The annual budget for physical/site security is in the high 9-figure range. Not saying more can't be done in schools, but pointing out that there are diminishing returns with each new dollar spent.
 
Here's another side to this tragedy the media won't dare mention: The shooter was a mentally ill crossdresser.
 
Now we're gonna arm the groomers, huh?

I don't know. What does that have to do with anything? They don't have these mass shootings like we do. Wonder why?

Take away guns and sheep are easier to control. You say that after a nut killed 19 people in an elementary school. THat's okay - they're not your kids, so those generalities really ring true. What's a little kid blood so guys can feel tough?
Common ground: All of us hate what happened in Texas and want to find a way to end these tragedies. We're just thinking of different solutions.
 
Requiring a license to own or possess firearms would be a huge violation of the Second Amendment. While those of you on the left may want it, those of us on the right do not and will not under any circumstance give up the Second Amendment. It's your own fault, every time we give an inch you try to take a mile.
 
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Requiring a license to own or possess firearms would be a huge violation of the Second Amendment. While those of you on the left may want it, those of us on the right do not and will not under any circumstance give up the Second Amendment. It's your own fault, every time we give an inch you try to take a mile.
The second amendment by its own terms is to protect the state -- it did not intend to create an individual right.
 
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Is that what they taught you in law school?
No, it's what the plain text of the SA says.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State..."

It expressly states the objective for the second amendment.
 
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Anyone applying 'controls' to gun ownership or usage should apply those same controls to any other right and see if it makes sense. If it does. proceed. If you wouldn't put that same restriction on free speech, religion, voting, assembly; then you don't get to apply it to guns.
 
I'll take the opinion of the SCOTUS over yours.
He is finally agreeing with you. "for the security of a free state" means protecting the people from not just countries overseas, but as the founders understood extremely well, from your own government. He is making the rights case for them. But he doesn't even know it. Thinking that the 2nd is only for hunting deer with a bullet proof vest on is just plain dumb and disingenuous.
 
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Anyone applying 'controls' to gun ownership or usage should apply those same controls to any other right and see if it makes sense. If it does. proceed. If you wouldn't put that same restriction on free speech, religion, voting, assembly; then you don't get to apply it to guns.
Vehicles - yep.

Installing electrical system - yep.

Prescribing drugs - yep.

Building a fence - yep.

Of course, freedom.of speech and freedom of voting don't result in 4th graders being slaughtered in a turkey shoot. They aren't public health measures.
 
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Vehicles - yep.

Installing electrical system - yep.

Prescribing drugs - yep.

Building a fence - yep.

Of course, freedom.of speech and freedom of voting don't result in 4th graders being slaughtered in a turkey shoot. They aren't public health measures.
Totally disingenuous. Your options aren't protected in the constitution. I specifically put in other delineated protections.

If you are okay with requiring someone to have a license to exercise their free speech or passing a test to vote - then by all means apply those same controls on firearms.
 
Totally disingenuous. Your options aren't protected in the constitution. I specifically put in other delineated protections.

If you are okay with requiring someone to have a license to exercise their free speech or passing a test to vote - then by all means apply those same controls on firearms.
I'm sure you agree that people should have to prove their identity to vote in an election. Is that specifically spelled out in the constitution? (I really don't know the answer) If not, you are putting stipulations on casting a vote. How can you then argue that you can't put any stipulations on owning a firearm.
 
I'm sure you agree that people should have to prove their identity to vote in an election. Is that specifically spelled out in the constitution? (I really don't know the answer) If not, you are putting stipulations on casting a vote. How can you then argue that you can't put any stipulations on owning a firearm.
I'm totally okay with proving your identity to purchase a firearm. Thanks for making my point.
 
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