San Diego Synagogue

[Ostatedchi]

I think your attitude is shared by most Americans, in no small part because there is a great deal of truth in what you say. I can't help but notice, however, that you continue to ignore my question as to whether you assign any blame for their hatred toward us on any actions we have taken toward them. And if you do assign any "blame" on us, what should we do to alleviate or eliminate our share of blame? I agree it will take generations for the hatred to subside, but I can't see it ever subsiding if we continue to do the same thing we have been doing.

Are our actions a contributing factor in their hate for us? Of course they are. No one would ever deny that.

But that’s not the important question because they will never be willing to forgive those perceived injustices. Look at Ali in this thread. He says we ‘attacked’ Iraq. What a BS take. He’s never going to see the action for what it was.

How we got here is immaterial. I’m not about fixing the blame but fixing the problem.

 

[aliabedi]

I still don’t think you are getting to the root cause of the issue. Keep asking WHY for each of your sentences?
Why is your government corrupt that causes rampant poverty?
Why are the people being brainwashed?
Who is doing the brainwashing and what is that message?

Country is corrupt because of illiteracy votes can be bought or catchy slogans
(LIKE MAGA) which politicians use to attract voters to them and then not fulfill them.
Stories that I have heard about Pakistani suicide bombers go that these people enticed
with money for their families and of course automatic entry into heaven with 72 virgins(I don't know where they get this figure from)
People brain washing them are charismatic personalities who use religion as their logic.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Country is corrupt because of illiteracy votes can be bought or catchy slogans
(LIKE MAGA) which politicians use to attract voters to them and then not fulfill them.
Stories that I have heard about Pakistani suicide bombers go that these people enticed
with money for their families and of course automatic entry into heaven with 72 virgins(I don't know where they get this figure from)
People brain washing them are charismatic personalities who use religion as their logic.

You are starting to get to the root of the issue despite your passive aggressive MAGA comment.

So how do you solve that issue?

 

[Medic007]

Stories that I have heard about Pakistani suicide bombers go that these people enticed
with money for their families and of course automatic entry into heaven with 72 virgins(I don't know where they get this figure from)

It isn't in the Qur'an, but you know exactly where the number 72 comes from if you are a Muslim.

You do realize that basically all of the knowledge ever collected is available with some key strokes and a click of the search button, right?

 

[aliabedi]

You are starting to get to the root of the issue despite your passive aggressive MAGA comment.

So how do you solve that issue?

I motivate people I can, I have relations with the present govt. and who ever listens to me from the govt. side I let them know honestly what I think of their certain policies and how they can improve on them.
I also talk to people who have more influence on the top leadership and express
my opinions.
At my age I think this is all I can do.
In early 90s a party asked me to join them and become a senator( Senators are selected according to how many members one has in the house) but I thought they had fascist leaning and my wife and my parents also pushed me not accept.
I write to newspapers I speak to some socio-political groups.
If this govt. doesn't lose its direction then may be in 20 yrs Pakistan could be going towards progress.
Recently there have been rumors about a possibility of a large oil discovery which would bring the largest import that we have tremendously down,which would give the govt more money to spend towards education and poverty alleviation programs.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

Country is corrupt because of illiteracy votes can be bought or catchy slogans
(LIKE MAGA) which politicians use to attract voters to them and then not fulfill them.
Stories that I have heard about Pakistani suicide bombers go that these people enticed
with money for their families and of course automatic entry into heaven with 72 virgins(I don't know where they get this figure from)
People brain washing them are charismatic personalities who use religion as their logic.

You call MAGA just a slogan a mere one day after the report on the record-setting U.S. economic growth, a growth that Obama and the dims said was impossible?

 

[aliabedi]

It isn't in the Qur'an, but you know exactly where the number 72 comes from if you are a Muslim.

You do realize that basically all of the knowledge ever collected is available with some key strokes and a click of the search button, right?

Please find it for me and educate me.

 

[aliabedi]

You call MAGA just a slogan a mere one day after the report on the record-setting U.S. economic growth, a growth that Obama and the dims said was impossible?

I live in a country where every body uses slogans mullah do, politicians do. Whether MAGA will actually make US great again only time will tell us. Both u and me are expressing opinions standing across the fence.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I motivate people I can, I have relations with the present govt. and who ever listens to me from the govt. side I let them know honestly what I think of their certain policies and how they can improve on them.
I also talk to people who have more influence on the top leadership and express
my opinions.
At my age I think this is all I can do.
In early 90s a party asked me to join them and become a senator( Senators are selected according to how many members one has in the house) but I thought they had fascist leaning and my wife and my parents also pushed me not accept.
I write to newspapers I speak to some socio-political groups.
If this govt. doesn't lose its direction then may be in 20 yrs Pakistan could be going towards progress.
Recently there have been rumors about a possibility of a large oil discovery which would bring the largest import that we have tremendously down,which would give the govt more money to spend towards education and poverty alleviation programs.

You still have to institute checks and balances in your government to prevent or at least deter graft and corruption.

 

[GunsOfFrankEaton]

I live in a country where every body uses slogans mullah do, politicians do. Whether MAGA will actually make US great again only time will tell us. Both u and me are expressing opinions standing across the fence.

The current U.S. economic growth rate is not an opinion.

 

[Medic007]

Please find it for me and educate me.

Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand;
Quran 56:35-38

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "
Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.
Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.
Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.” From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”
Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

This [Qur'an 78:33] means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 10 Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an, 333-334

“According to Prophet Muhammad (SW), the Hurs of Paradise will be pure women, free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands. Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.”
al-Ghazzali, Ihya Uloom Ed-Din, vol.4 p.4.

 

[aliabedi]

You still have to institute checks and balances in your government to prevent or at least deter graft and corruption.

This govt is actually trying to get the institutions of the govt to be independant and strong,only time would tell us whether it works or not.
When I see your govt trying to put obstacles in the path of equally important entities which provide checks and balances. It reminds me exactly the same thing that a strong man in a thirld world country would do

 

[aliabedi]

Lo! We have created them a (new) creation, And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand;
Quran 56:35-38

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' "
Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39

It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.
Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy [sic] houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.
Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.” From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”
Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

This [Qur'an 78:33] means round breasts. They meant by this that the breasts of these girls will be fully rounded and not sagging, because they will be virgins, equal in age.
Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 10 Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an, 333-334

“According to Prophet Muhammad (SW), the Hurs of Paradise will be pure women, free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands. Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.”
al-Ghazzali, Ihya Uloom Ed-Din, vol.4 p.4.

None of it is
from quran infact the people quoted most of them are from the saudi strain of Islam.
Abdul wahab is the individual who started wahabi salfi school of thought.
They are actually mis interpreting the verse of quran..
Whenever they say prophet said this remember prophets sayings were collected two hundred years after his death. And in my thread on Islam I said Hadith are where the problem starts from.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I live in a country where every body uses slogans mullah do, politicians do. Whether MAGA will actually make US great again only time will tell us. Both u and me are expressing opinions standing across the fence.

That’s not the point. You said your system is broken because the ignorant, uneducated masses fall for officials who use catchy slogans. Then you said just like MAGA. That implies that those of us who supported Trump over Hillary are also ignorant, uneducated masses and fell for a cheap slogan.

That’s simply not the case in America. It might be true in Pakistan. But not over here.

 

[Ostatedchi]

This govt is actually trying to get the institutions of the govt to be independant and strong,only time would tell us whether it works or not.
When I see your govt trying to put obstacles in the path of equally important entities which provide checks and balances. It reminds me exactly the same thing that a strong man in a thirld world country would do

Be specific, what obstacles are being put in the path of entities that provides checks and balances? I assume with your 3rd world country strong man you are implying it is Trump doing it. So be specific. What exactly is being institutionally integrated into the government?

 

[HighStickHarry]

Be specific, what obstacles are being put in the path of entities that provides checks and balances? I assume with your 3rd world country strong man you are implying it is Trump doing it. So be specific. What exactly is being institutionally integrated into the government?

Trump has had every road block possible put in his way. Activist judges, special counsels, subpoenas, hearings, etc. Zero jail time for the lying press or political opponents. It’s total fantasy trump is a strong man from a third world country. It’s embarassing for people to even say that.

 

[Ostatedchi]

This govt is actually trying to get the institutions of the govt to be independant and strong,only time would tell us whether it works or not.
When I see your govt trying to put obstacles in the path of equally important entities which provide checks and balances. It reminds me exactly the same thing that a strong man in a thirld world country would do

Stop the ‘whataboutism’. Quit using America as a measuring stick or comparison to your country’s problems. Don’t justify your shortcoming by trying to point out ours.

Clean your own house and don’t worry about how dirty my house may be. It has no bearing on how clean or dirty you keep your house.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Trump has had every road block possible put in his way. Activist judges, special counsels, subpoenas, hearings, etc. Zero jail time for the lying press or political opponents. It’s total fantasy trump is a strong man from a third world country. It’s embarassing for people to even say that.

I know that. That’s why I asked for specifics. They’ll either not be specifics or they’ll be specifically wrong because it isn’t happening here.

But I can’t refute vague accusations.

 

[Medic007]

None of it is
from quran infact the people quoted most of them are from the saudi strain of Islam.
Abdul wahab is the individual who started wahabi salfi school of thought.
They are actually mis interpreting the verse of quran..
Whenever they say prophet said this remember prophets sayings were collected two hundred years after his death. And in my thread on Islam I said Hadith are where the problem starts from.

I didn't say that stuff came from the Quran. In fact, I said the opposite. You claimed you had no idea where the "72 virgins" came from. I said that you knew exactly where it came from. You asked me to "educate" you, so I did. It turns out that I was correct that you knew exactly where the "72 virgins" came from even though you claimed you didn't know where it came from.

You might not put any weight on the hadiths, but there are plenty of Muslims who do.

 

[okcpokefan12]

@aliabedi - what's your take on throwing gays off buildings while a crowd of people (including kids) celebrates? Seems like Muslims are full of hate. Is this also the fault of Christians or western culture?

 

[HighStickHarry]

I know that. That’s why I asked for specifics. They’ll either not be specifics or they’ll be specifically wrong because it isn’t happening here.

But I can’t refute vague accusations.

This guy is the perfect cnn international case study.

 

[aliabedi]

Trump has had every road block possible put in his way. Activist judges, special counsels, subpoenas, hearings, etc. Zero jail time for the lying press or political opponents. It’s total fantasy trump is a strong man from a third world country. It’s embarassing for people to even say that.

SEveral Presidents have gone through this. Clinton did,reagon did and Nixon did.
Some got away and nixon didn't.
Congress has full right to investigate the and President has to comply. If trump gets away this
obstruction policy it would set a precedence that you would regret if the other takes over the executive branch.
If he has nothing to hide come clean and take away any chance that democrats would
win the election

 

[aliabedi]

This guy is the perfect cnn international case study.

I do watch cnn international but I read fox, breitbart also.

 

[okcpokefan12]

SEveral Presidents have gone through this. Clinton did,reagon did and Nixon did.
Some got away and nixon didn't.
Congress has full right to investigate the and President has to comply. If trump gets away this
obstruction policy it would set a precedence that you would regret if the other takes over the executive branch.
If he has nothing to hide come clean and take away any chance that democrats would
win the election

Are you stupid or something? Please tell us how Trump has obstructed and what this new precedence would be? You really are uninformed about this entire situation and will continue to look like a clueless idiot

 

[aliabedi]

Are you stupid or something? Please tell us how Trump has obstructed and what this new precedence would be? You really are uninformed about this entire situation and will continue to look like a clueless idiot

He has asked his lawyer and his other members of his team to ignore congress subpeanas.
he has gone to court to stop congress checking his businesses interests.
he has hiding his taxes and stopped treasury to release them which is against the law.
I thought US was based on laws and institutions i Guess not any more.

 

[HighStickHarry]

SEveral Presidents have gone through this. Clinton did,reagon did and Nixon did.
Some got away and nixon didn't.
Congress has full right to investigate the and President has to comply. If trump gets away this
obstruction policy it would set a precedence that you would regret if the other takes over the executive branch.
If he has nothing to hide come clean and take away any chance that democrats would
win the election

Gets away with what? What could he possibly be obstructing if 30,000,000$ and 13 angry democrats could find zero crime. If I investigated you for rape you didn’t commit would you let me take pictures of your penis and confiscate your phone and email accounts? There was no crime. The liberals are trying to stop him no matter what. He should give them NOTHING. No taxes, no bank records, nothing. They just move on to the next witch hunt. Trump is the victim and he should offer zero information or assistance to those who are only motivated by power. Let’s see tax and loan information from every democrat in Washington first and then trump can consider helping. Such a joke.

Democrats are slime. They are not operating in good faith. It’s obvious.

 

[HighStickHarry]

He has asked his lawyer and his other members of his team to ignore congress subpeanas.
he has gone to court to stop congress checking his businesses interests.
he has hiding his taxes and stopped treasury to release them which is against the law.
I thought US was based on laws and institutions i Guess not any more.

He complied for two years. They are making things up now. Where were you when Obama did these things? Did cnn international not tell you about that?

 

[okcpokefan12]

He has asked his lawyer and his other members of his team to ignore congress subpeanas.
he has gone to court to stop congress checking his businesses interests.
he has hiding his taxes and stopped treasury to release them which is against the law.
I thought US was based on laws and institutions i Guess not any more.

Nevermind, you just proved how ignorant you are. Not all Muslims lie, but you do

 

[aliabedi]

Gets away with what? What could he possibly be obstructing if 30,000,000$ and 13 angry democrats could find zero crime. If I investigated you for rape you didn’t commit would you let me take pictures of your penis and confiscate your phone and email accounts? There was no crime. The liberals are trying to stop him no matter what. He should give them NOTHING. No taxes, no bank records, nothing. They just move on to the next witch hunt. Trump is the victim and he should offer zero information or assistance to those who are only motivated by power. Let’s see tax and loan information from every democrat in Washington first and then trump can consider helping. Such a joke.

Democrats are slime. They are not operating in good faith. It’s obvious.

I am reading mueller report almost to the half way point.He is going to get into trouble
because Mueller has congress to continue since thet have power of impeachment,

 

[HighStickHarry]

I am reading mueller report almost to the half way point.He is going to get into trouble
because Mueller has congress to continue since thet have power of impeachment,

wrong. Half the likely voting population of this country wants trump as president and approve of his performance. Congress approval rating is lower than most STD’s. If they go that route, trump will become more popular.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Obviously you aren’t here to be educated like you claimed. Your mind is made up. So I’m done.

I’ve led you by the nose to the answer and you refuse to even look inward, but instead choose to try to see imaginary shortcomings with America and conservatives here to justify the hate filled segment of your population.

I’m out. This is a waste of my time.

 

[HighStickHarry]

Obviously you aren’t here to be educated like you claimed. Your mind is made up. So I’m done.

I’ve led you by the nose to the answer and you refuse to even look inward, but instead choose to try to see imaginary shortcomings with America and conservatives here to justify the hate filled segment of your population.

I’m out. This is a waste of my time.

This is the best Clinton scott character yet you have to admit.

 

[Medic007]

he has hiding his taxes and stopped treasury to release them which is against the law.

There is no law requiring the president to release tax returns. There are laws that pertain to the IRS releasing tax returns though. Do you ever try to be factual or do you just regurgitate what CNN says?

Black student attending class in a cage, you claiming to not know where "72 virgins" came from, claiming it's against the law for Trump to not release his tax returns... is being blatantly dishonest just part of your culture?

 

[07pilt]

All the “grafted into the vine” and “the Root of Jesse” stuff must have escaped you. Christianity is loaded with shady characters from one end to the other. That’s the whole point of mercy, pardon and grace.

Jesus is only the steproot of Jesse

 

[aliabedi]

I didn't say that stuff came from the Quran. In fact, I said the opposite. You claimed you had no idea where the "72 virgins" came from. I said that you knew exactly where it came from. You asked me to "educate" you, so I did. It turns out that I was correct that you knew exactly where the "72 virgins" came from even though you claimed you didn't know where it came from.

You might not put any weight on the hadiths, but there are plenty of Muslims who do.

Actually I didn't, when I read the names of the people then I realized. So it is not part of
Islam it is Jihadi propaganda.

 

[aliabedi]

There is no law requiring the president to release tax returns. There are laws that pertain to the IRS releasing tax returns though. Do you ever try to be factual or do you just regurgitate what CNN says?

Black student attending class in a cage, you claiming to not know where "72 virgins" came from, claiming it's against the law for Trump to not release his tax returns... is being blatantly dishonest just part of your culture?

Oh Please I apolagized it was a genuine mistake.I love this univ as much as you do why
do you think I am member of this board since 2008.
Yes the law is that congress can ask for tax return of any one and the treasury department has to comply.
I want to say I am sorry for bringing your hero, america's messiah into this discussion which is basically about islam.

 

[Medic007]

Yes the law is that congress can ask for tax return of any one and the treasury department has to comply.

Cite that law, sir.

 

[Medic007]

Oh Please I apolagized it was a genuine mistake.I love this univ as much as you do why
do you think I am member of this board since 2008.

Sure, "mistake."

 

[Medic007]

Actually I didn't, when I read the names of the people then I realized. So it is not part of
Islam it is Jihadi propaganda.

Uh huh. Sounds legitimate. Maybe you should tell your friends the hadiths are wrong. I'm not the one who thinks the hadiths are good or authentic.

Is being dishonest part of your culture? Are Taqiyyah, Muda'rat, Kitman, Tawriya, and Muruna allowed in Islam?

 

[aliabedi]

That’s not the point. You said your system is broken because the ignorant, uneducated masses fall for officials who use catchy slogans. Then you said just like MAGA. That implies that those of us who supported Trump over Hillary are also ignorant, uneducated masses and fell for a cheap slogan.

That’s simply not the case in America. It might be true in Pakistan. But not over here.

Please read about why german's fell for hitler if not there is a short documentary
on it on you tube.
YOU dont have to be illiterate to be taken by a catchy slogan,read about ponzi scheme
even bankers went for it.
YES lots of American voted for hom 46.1% so what more people vored for Hillary.
Look I took a lot of shit when I was defending Islam and stayed cool. I never called any names I stayed polite just like my parents and my religion taught me.
But you guys are so insecure when it comes to Donald Trump that you even cannot have even a discussion.
I am sorry he is your hero and messiah n future I will bow my head and get on my knees when I discuss Mr TRUMP.