Methodist Church taking up the question on LQBTwtf

[SUPERPOKES]

https://newsok.com/article/5623764/...toric-gathering-over-gay-rights-in-the-church

Let’s just say all sin is okay! Loving each other is the way! Live and let live! (all bright blue)

 

[poke2001]

It’s not up for us to judge. How about you not be gay, and not be Methodist? The Christian Right is every bit as bad as the loony environmental left.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

It’s not up for us to judge.

Poor theology.

 

[AC_Exotic]

It’s not up for us to judge. How about you not be gay, and not be Methodist? The Christian Right is every bit as bad as the loony environmental left.

Because they dare adhere to their most important religious documents?

Perish the thought!

 

[Ostatedchi]

Please tell me how a monogamous married relationship between two people of the same sex is a sin? And if so, how is that sin incongruent with any other person in the church who is also living in a constant state of sin.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Please tell me how a monogamous married relationship between two people of the same sex is a sin? And if so, how is that sin incongruent with any other person in the church who is also living in a constant state of sin.

Shirley you know what the Bible says about homosexuality. As far as your second sentence, sin is sin.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Shirley you know what the Bible says about homosexuality. As far as your second sentence, sin is sin.

So, if a sin is a sin... then why is homosexuality the one sin that would preclude church membership?

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

So, if a sin is a sin... then why is homosexuality the one sin that would preclude church membership?

Constant unrepentant sin of any sort should preclude anyone from being part of the body.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Constant unrepentant sin of any sort should preclude anyone from being part of the body.

How does that statement reconcile with Christ’s words to love one another and that all it takes is belief in him to enter the Kingdom on Heaven?

At what point to you also kick out anyone who’s divorced, serial adulterer, constantly lies, speeds, or cheats on their taxes?

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I have to get some stuff done at the house but will come back to this later. I will leave you with this.

Mathew 18:15-17
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”

 

[Ostatedchi]

I have to get some stuff done at the house but will come back to this later. I will leave you with this.

Mathew 18:15-17
15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.”

Why apply that only to homosexuality?

 

[imprimis]

Somewhere in the good book I read Jesus telling the woman committing adultery, "Go and sin no more." Can't ask forgiveness for a sin and then continue to do the sin.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Somewhere in the good book I read Jesus telling the woman committing adultery, "Go and sin no more." Can't ask forgiveness for a sin and then continue to do the sin.

And why apply that statement only to homosexuality?

 

[imprimis]

And why apply that statement only to homosexuality?

It was applied to adultery but it also applies to other sins.

 

[MegaPoke]

What does the Bible say about lesbians?

 

[Ostatedchi]

It was applied to adultery but it also applies to other sins.

Then why would you only not allow homosexuals to be members of the church and not all those others living in sin as well?

 

[imprimis]

Then why would you only not allow homosexuals to be members of the church and not all those others living in sin as well?

Ask them.

 

[Ostatedchi]

Ask them.

Thought I was...

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

Why apply that only to homosexuality?

A biblically based church would absolutely apply that to any habitual sin.

 

[Ostatedchi]

A biblically based church would absolutely apply that to any habitual sin.

So does your church equally apply expulsion to habitual sin? How do you determine if a person is repentant but weak and just continues to backslide?

Can a homosexual repent for their sin, then be weak and resin, repent, repeat, repent, repeat? Does that then preclude them from church membership? How are you ever going to know?

I guess that's my point. I feel like us Christians are hypocrites when it comes to the sin of homosexuality vs. all other sins. Since we've all sinned and come short of the glory of God - what makes homosexuality so focused on?

I mean, let's apply that same standard to masturbation. I'd gamble that greater than 90% of the congregation are habitual sinners and should then be expelled from the church.

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

So does your church equally apply expulsion to habitual sin? How do you determine if a person is repentant but weak and just continues to backslide?

Can a homosexual repent for their sin, then be weak and resin, repent, repeat, repent, repeat? Does that then preclude them from church membership? How are you ever going to know?

I guess that's my point. I feel like us Christians are hypocrites when it comes to the sin of homosexuality vs. all other sins. Since we've all sinned and come short of the glory of God - what makes homosexuality so focused on?

I mean, let's apply that same standard to masturbation. I'd gamble that greater than 90% of the congregation are habitual sinners and should then be expelled from the church.

A Christian will, through the Holy Spirit develop fruits of the spirit that are clear signs of spiritual growth. If a Christian doesn’t ever develop love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, it’s likely they are not a Christian.

I agree that some Christians are overly fixated on the sin of homosexuality.

Masturbation is not a sin. Certainly there are things that can lead to masturbation that are a sin like lust and pornography.

 

[Ostatedchi]

A Christian will, through the Holy Spirit develop fruits of the spirit that are clear signs of spiritual growth. If a Christian doesn’t ever develop love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control, it’s likely they are not a Christian.

How would a Christian act towards someone living in sin if the Christian developed the fruits of the spirit such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, etc? And, who is that Christian to judge?

Again, why homosexuality as the focus? Just seems really un-Christian-like to me.

 

[TPOKE]

I leave stuff like this to God.

 

[Ostatedchi]

I leave stuff like this to God.

So you welcome homosexuals in your church and then just let God worry about it in the afterlife?

 

[windriverrange]

What does the Bible say about lesbians?

If a man must lay with them, hopefully they are ex-Swedish bikini team members.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

 

[Ostatedchi]

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

I find so much wrong with the content of that link.

Basically, the only good homosexual is a chaste homosexual. I’m sorry, I just can’t get behind the idea that God creates some people with that desire to only have to be chaste their entire lives.

 

[Ostatedchi]

From the link: People have a basic, ethical intuition that certain behaviors are wrong because they are unnatural. We perceive intuitively that the natural sex partner of a human is another human, not an animal.

The same reasoning applies to the case of homosexual behavior. The natural sex partner for a man is a woman, and the natural sex partner for a woman is a man. Thus, people have the corresponding intuition concerning homosexuality that they do about bestiality—that it is wrong because it is unnatural.


Sorry, that doesn’t fly at all.

 

[poke2001]

And why apply that statement only to homosexuality?

Because it’s icky.

 

[poke2001]

I leave stuff like this to God.

Exactly.

 

[poke2001]

What does the Bible say about lesbians?

Butch or lipstick?

 

[poke2001]

https://www.catholic.com/tract/homosexuality

Catholics vote democrat at about a 50% rate. Catholics love to speak out against abortion and all forms of birth control yet are responsible for most Dems in Congress. Should we really be linking them here?

 

[poke2001]

So you welcome homosexuals in your church and then just let God worry about it in the afterlife?

As you said, we welcome all others sinners in our churches. We are just grossed out by gays so we don’t want them around.

 

[Ostatedchi]

As you said, we welcome all others sinners in our churches. We are just grossed out by gays so we don’t want them around.

I’m not claiming anything. I’m asking. Why the focus on homosexual sin as opposed to all other sins. Especially since we all are in a constant state of sin regardless of repentance.

 

[BIGOSUFAN]

This thread would be better if @brtinla chimed in.

 

[MegaPoke]

Butch or lipstick?

Well, either. But all I care about are the hot kind.

 

[poke2001]

Well, either. But all I care about are the hot kind.

Yeh, agree.

 

[SMemmett]

NSFW

 

[N. Pappagiorgio]

I’m not claiming anything. I’m asking. Why the focus on homosexual sin as opposed to all other sins.

This troubles me as well.

 

[HighStickHarry]

I find so much wrong with the content of that link.

Basically, the only good homosexual is a chaste homosexual. I’m sorry, I just can’t get behind the idea that God creates some people with that desire to only have to be chaste their entire lives.

God created people with all sorts of desires that need to never be indulged. I’m not arguing one way or the other in the main issue but the fact that someone is born wanting something they shouldn’t participate in is much broader than same sex attraction.