This is the edge of the conversation. The data.
A white supremacist says that’s as good as they can ever be. Their genetics and their iq make those numbers. We need to segregate them from our population.
A liberal spits and sputters thinking the same thing but flooding the issue with things that make them feel better even though a look at the last 60 years proves they make things worse. Also ironically this group is calling for segregation on campuses and other public spaces.
The rest of us see these two groups going at it, fueled by social media like rabid animals and it’s a helpless feeling. The worst part is that 50% of the country is fighting with 5% of the country.
You're so full of shit. Africa! Chicago! Blacks are such criminals everybody, and its the dems fault! Chicago! Black crime! Black marriage! Not the south, not the bible belt, not vast swaths of red state shitholery and poverty -- blacks by god, BLACKETY BLACK CRIMINAL BLACKS for the 500th time. Wtf is your obsession with AAs and race? Its' to the point it's weird. You are to aa's what Dan is to libertarian essays. Just over and over and over and...
LBJ’s war on poverty was more destructive to American life — and especially black families — more than anything else in the 20th century.
Okay, I'm a sucker for data and arguments, and then... that. LBJ's war on poverty. Not Jim Crow. Not the Tulsa race riots. Not discrimination or separate but equal or disenfranchisement of lack of education or inheriting poverty and ignorance... but LBJ.
Conservatives haven’t done enough to help. How awesome would it be if low income young males were given temporary housing close to a vocational school and at night they used those facilities and resources to train in skilled blue collar programs? Piece of cake federal program that would solve two problems. The WPA is the perfect blue print but no one ever mentions its return.
I think accessible, affordable vocational schools are one of the most critical things we need as a society.
Wharry turning to socialism.
We have the best, most affordable, most under-utilized vo-tech system in the entire world right here in Oklahoma. Rural Okla schools routinely bus any kid that gives a shit to them from high schools to attend in lieu of high school. They're accessible and under-used because we don't get to the kids young enough and get them motivated to seek education.
Nobody ever brings up LBJ on this board besides me. LBJ only caused us to spend three times more than every war in US history — and obliterated American families in the process.
The failure of the war on poverty is pretty well known.
Neither of you has quantified the "before" and are only focusing on the "after." How can you judge the war on poverty if you don't have a "before" metric?
As one that is neither religious nor overly conservative (and as one with a friend that lives in Africa, Cote d'Ivore, specifically), there is a ton of bs in this. I do not see the republicans as being "whataboutism" here. Not at all. "Whataboutism" is making excuses for their side's transgressions and bullshit behaviors. Pointing out that there are active attacks on others due to religious beliefs, in this case christians, in other countries (not unlike the NZ horror) while hearing nary a peep from the general media is absolutely fair game. This has been the case for a long time. While the media has jumped all over the middle east, they had completely glossed over the civil war in places like the Ivory Coast (Cote d'Ivore) and the near genocide on the educated class there. Even boko haram was marginally mentioned.
I will grant you the "whataboutisms" that the conservatives here play in the game of politics (including all of Trump's irrational behaviors and decisions), but you are off base and out of line on this one. You are simply playing a single angle (I am avoiding the word "narrative" on purpose) here while disregarding massacres that involve people that do not fit your politics.
They don't give a shit about Africa. They were regurgitating messaging they heard from a conservative media source -- guaranteed. ("Speaking of a Trump loving white supremacist spouting candace owens in his pre-mass murder manifesto, can you believe Africa isn't covered more in the media?")
Please note that both of their energy and attention towards Africa has abated since the weekend btw. Bet there's been newsworthy events over there that hasn't really triggered their curiosity either, or else I missed their new "Oh Africa!" threads. l bet there's so many murders and killings in Africa between muslims, tribes, countries, etc. on a weekly basis that we could CONSTANTLY have updates if they really cared.
Yeah, Africa I'm sure isn't covered enough, but you kind of make the case in your post that there's
so much violence. No, I didn't know about the near genocide you mentioned -- it's just an endless train of that shit from Africa. I, like most people, get tired of hearing it, to be honest. How can you really expect an American media outlet to report constant violent outrage from the same region? Personally, nobody's gonna make money selling those stories to me. If New Zealand had 50 more of these mass shootings I'd probably adopt the same position towards outrageous New Zealand stories.
