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Josh Duggar's Shame and Ours

aix_xpert said:
In what part of any American culture is 19 kids normal. (I didn't say wrong. I said normal). That alone demonstrates the extremism that warranted them being put on TV, and invalidates them as being representative of others in normal society. Even those who may watch it (which isn't me).
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The woman bore 19 kids?
 
aix_xpert said:
In what part of any American culture is 19 kids normal. (I didn't say wrong. I said normal). That alone demonstrates the extremism that warranted them being put on TV, and invalidates them as being representative of others in normal society. Even those who may watch it (which isn't me).
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So, the only way the Duggers represented an extreme version of their culture is that they had 19 kids? Nothing else?
 
Ponca Dan said:
The woman bore 19 kids?
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You seem to be really out of touch with what Americans are watching. American culture and subcultures as well.

Maybe this helps partly explain why you always are so wrong about how Americans vote and think on political issues.
 
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my_2cents said:
Stop speculating then. I linked to the article because I found it interesting and also because I wanted @Corndog2021 's take on it. I'm not even saying I agree with everything in the article, lol! I thought it was worth discussion, that is all.
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Well, thank you! Sounds like the guy is a real piece of trash. I wish the article would have said who in the family knew he abused his sisters. Also, I regret the author interjected her own experience in the article, it destroyed any semblance if objective reporting. If I understand correctly the father was the only pervert in the family?
 
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my_2cents said:
You seem to be really out of touch with what Americans are watching. American culture and subcultures as well.

Maybe this helps partly explain why you always are so wrong about how Americans vote and think on political issues.
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I confess to being totally out of the loop when it comes to reality tv.
 
Ponca Dan said:
Well, thank you! Sounds like the guy is a real piece of trash. I wish the article would have said who in the family knew he abused his sisters. Also, I regret the author interjected her own experience in the article, it destroyed any semblance if objective reporting. If I understand correctly the father was the only pervert in the family?
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His parents knew about his abuse of his sisters.

I disagree about the author interjecting her own experiences into the story. Her experiences allow her to better understand the world of the Duggers. This wasn't an objective news article either. It is an opinion piece. Do you object to liberals or conservatives referencing their experiences in the opinion pieces you link to on here all the time?
 
Ponca Dan said:
I confess to being totally out of the loop when it comes to reality tv.
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You should keep up with it. Not saying watch it all the time (I don't do that). But knowing what Americans find entertaining can assist one in better understanding Americans.
 
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my_2cents said:
His parents knew about his abuse of his sisters.

I disagree about the author interjecting her own experiences into the story. Her experiences allow her to better understand the world of the Duggers. This wasn't an objective news article either. It is an opinion piece. Do you object to liberals or conservatives referencing their experiences in the opinion pieces you link to on here all the time?
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No, of course not. I don’t know anything about the source of the link or the author herself. It started as a fairly straight forward piece of journalism, I thought, but then veered into personal accounts unrelated to the father’s perversion. It’s not a big deal, just an observation I made.
 
Ponca Dan said:
No, of course not. I don’t know anything about the source of the link or the author herself. It started as a fairly straight forward piece of journalism, I thought, but then veered into personal accounts unrelated to the father’s perversion. It’s not a big deal, just an observation I made.
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Understood. You couldn't read it off the site. It was an opinion piece though.
 
my_2cents said:
You should keep up with it. Not saying watch it all the time (I don't do that). But knowing what Americans find entertaining can assist one in better understanding Americans.
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I’ll leave that to you. I have enough trouble understanding myself, much less the rest of America.
 
Ponca Dan said:
I’ll leave that to you. I have enough trouble understanding myself, much less the rest of America.
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Ok, but if you are going to get on here and make predictions about what Americans will or won't do (won't elect or re-elect Biden, won't elect Harris, will vote for DeSantis over Trump, etc.), it is good to have some understanding of Americans outside your own opinion.

And I've tried to help you have better understanding of yourself. You just won't listen!😁
 
my_2cents said:

Josh Duggar’s Shame and Ours: Why did America fall in love with a family of extremists?​

By Sarah Jones

To bypass software installed on his computer to prevent him from viewing pornography, Josh Duggar installed a separate operating system and a “browser capable of encryption,” the Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported. With those tools, he downloaded child pornography, some depicting the abuse of children younger than 12. And though he pleaded not guilty, a federal jury concluded otherwise and convicted him this week on one count each of receiving and possessing child pornography. He faces decades in prison.

This otherwise ordinary case appeared in the Associated Press and the New York Times and Variety because he is famous, a celebrity known initially for his reality-TV show career. For years, Duggar appeared with his siblings on TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting, which portrayed his large and conservative family as something at once alien and relatable. How unusual to have so many children, yet how recognizable their family life appeared to be — that was TLC’s pitch to the nation, and it worked. The Duggars were stars.

What TLC pitched as charming traditionalism was really a form of extremism. Before Duggar destroyed his life, he worked as a lobbyist for the Family Research Council, a prominent anti-LGBTQ+ hate group. The Duggars campaigned against abortion rights as a family well after they’d become famous. A year before the public learned of Duggar’s abusive past, his mother, Michelle Duggar, recorded a robocall against an anti-discrimination measure in Fayetteville, Arkansas. The measure, she would, would allow “males with past child-predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls.”

Not long afterward, Duggar admitted to molesting five girls as a teenager, including four of his sisters. The family stood by him — they had known and buried the story for years — but they lost their TV show. The right-wing former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee defended Josh after the molestation story broke in 2015. “They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection,” Huckabee wrote on Facebook. That confession would not be Duggar’s last, though. He watched pornography; he cheated on his wife; he was very sorry. He disappeared from television, but TLC and the Duggars had money to make, so the network debuted another reality show, this one focused on his adult siblings. The family had become a spectacle; maybe it could no longer be anything else.

The popularity of the Duggar family indicts not only TLC but also the show’s fan base, who were committed enough to family that not even the molestation story could force them off air. The reality-TV model convinces viewers they’re participating — almost — in the lives of its stars. The Duggars in particular sold a rosy vision. Their family was so charming, so engaging, that people would want to belong. With the Duggars, devout Christians all, a missionary zealotry infested their performance. The family’s faith transmitted a powerful appeal. Audiences spent years with them and watched the kids grow up, find love, and marry.

Yet fame always costs. The Duggar parents struck a bargain with TLC on behalf of their brood, which included children too young to consent to their notoriety. What does it say about TLC — about us — that the Duggars could become so famous? That their patriarchal lives seemed quaint to so many? The Duggars never felt like anything but a threat to me; though my own family never approached their extremes, we did practice an adjacent version of Christian fundamentalism. Yet I had a basic measure of personal freedom. Unlike the Duggar girls, I wore pants and kept my hair bobbed. My parents even put me in public school — eventually — and assumed I’d go to college, even if they did hope I’d meet a Christian man there. (I did not.)

The small freedoms I possessed eluded the Duggar children. I felt then, and still feel now, that the presence of cameras in their lives made escape more difficult, that a person can’t be entertainment and liberated at the same time. The Duggar children didn’t even have the distance actors can claim from their roles. Maybe the Duggar parents knew this, too. The cameras worked like a fence and kept the children inside while people gawked on the outside. That’s what it means to be a witness. The Duggars wanted to set an example to others, and TLC helped them do it for years. While the family performed for the camera, they involved themselves ever more deeply with the Christian right. Not content to limit the freedom of their children, they sought to limit the freedom of others. The long skirts, the overflowing household, and the early marriages of their children were never personal choices alone but lives they hoped to force on others.

The Duggars are what they claimed to be: an all-American family. If there’s anything to glean from the tragedy of Josh Duggar’s life and crimes, it’s this — extremism wears a familiar face. The Duggars could become popular only in a nation whose traditional values mirrored their own. Hypocrisy and cruelty are as American as the flag. The Duggars merely took on the qualities of their environment and perfected them, all for willing audiences. Josh Duggar’s story is, hopefully, at an end. The rest of his family may finally move on and out of the public’s lights. The rest of us will have to reckon with what they’ve left behind.
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So we kill him then the parents?
 
aix_xpert said:
Could you not write this same article about "honey boo boo", the "Kardashians", "Real Housewives", and any other number of shows that make up "reality" TV today?
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No idea who Josh Duggar is, but based on this post, I’m assuming he’s relevant to the “People Magazine” crowd, and not worth my effort to research. Not surprising, considering the source of this thread.
 
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Also I only watch tv about digging gold, oak island and aliens. When they start touching kids come brandish me to your moral hell.
 
my_2cents said:

Josh Duggar’s Shame and Ours: Why did America fall in love with a family of extremists?​

By Sarah Jones

To bypass software installed on his computer to prevent him from viewing pornography, Josh Duggar installed a separate operating system and a “browser capable of encryption,” the Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported. With those tools, he downloaded child pornography, some depicting the abuse of children younger than 12. And though he pleaded not guilty, a federal jury concluded otherwise and convicted him this week on one count each of receiving and possessing child pornography. He faces decades in prison.

This otherwise ordinary case appeared in the Associated Press and the New York Times and Variety because he is famous, a celebrity known initially for his reality-TV show career. For years, Duggar appeared with his siblings on TLC’s 19 Kids and Counting, which portrayed his large and conservative family as something at once alien and relatable. How unusual to have so many children, yet how recognizable their family life appeared to be — that was TLC’s pitch to the nation, and it worked. The Duggars were stars.

What TLC pitched as charming traditionalism was really a form of extremism. Before Duggar destroyed his life, he worked as a lobbyist for the Family Research Council, a prominent anti-LGBTQ+ hate group. The Duggars campaigned against abortion rights as a family well after they’d become famous. A year before the public learned of Duggar’s abusive past, his mother, Michelle Duggar, recorded a robocall against an anti-discrimination measure in Fayetteville, Arkansas. The measure, she would, would allow “males with past child-predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls.”

Not long afterward, Duggar admitted to molesting five girls as a teenager, including four of his sisters. The family stood by him — they had known and buried the story for years — but they lost their TV show. The right-wing former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee defended Josh after the molestation story broke in 2015. “They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection,” Huckabee wrote on Facebook. That confession would not be Duggar’s last, though. He watched pornography; he cheated on his wife; he was very sorry. He disappeared from television, but TLC and the Duggars had money to make, so the network debuted another reality show, this one focused on his adult siblings. The family had become a spectacle; maybe it could no longer be anything else.

The popularity of the Duggar family indicts not only TLC but also the show’s fan base, who were committed enough to family that not even the molestation story could force them off air. The reality-TV model convinces viewers they’re participating — almost — in the lives of its stars. The Duggars in particular sold a rosy vision. Their family was so charming, so engaging, that people would want to belong. With the Duggars, devout Christians all, a missionary zealotry infested their performance. The family’s faith transmitted a powerful appeal. Audiences spent years with them and watched the kids grow up, find love, and marry.

Yet fame always costs. The Duggar parents struck a bargain with TLC on behalf of their brood, which included children too young to consent to their notoriety. What does it say about TLC — about us — that the Duggars could become so famous? That their patriarchal lives seemed quaint to so many? The Duggars never felt like anything but a threat to me; though my own family never approached their extremes, we did practice an adjacent version of Christian fundamentalism. Yet I had a basic measure of personal freedom. Unlike the Duggar girls, I wore pants and kept my hair bobbed. My parents even put me in public school — eventually — and assumed I’d go to college, even if they did hope I’d meet a Christian man there. (I did not.)

The small freedoms I possessed eluded the Duggar children. I felt then, and still feel now, that the presence of cameras in their lives made escape more difficult, that a person can’t be entertainment and liberated at the same time. The Duggar children didn’t even have the distance actors can claim from their roles. Maybe the Duggar parents knew this, too. The cameras worked like a fence and kept the children inside while people gawked on the outside. That’s what it means to be a witness. The Duggars wanted to set an example to others, and TLC helped them do it for years. While the family performed for the camera, they involved themselves ever more deeply with the Christian right. Not content to limit the freedom of their children, they sought to limit the freedom of others. The long skirts, the overflowing household, and the early marriages of their children were never personal choices alone but lives they hoped to force on others.

The Duggars are what they claimed to be: an all-American family. If there’s anything to glean from the tragedy of Josh Duggar’s life and crimes, it’s this — extremism wears a familiar face. The Duggars could become popular only in a nation whose traditional values mirrored their own. Hypocrisy and cruelty are as American as the flag. The Duggars merely took on the qualities of their environment and perfected them, all for willing audiences. Josh Duggar’s story is, hopefully, at an end. The rest of his family may finally move on and out of the public’s lights. The rest of us will have to reckon with what they’ve left behind.
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whst exactly is your problem? That a family with dark secrets became famous for pretending they didn’t?
 
my_2cents said:
Ok, but if you are going to get on here and make predictions about what Americans will or won't do (won't elect or re-elect Biden, won't elect Harris, will vote for DeSantis over Trump, etc.), it is good to have some understanding of Americans outside your own opinion.

And I've tried to help you have better understanding of yourself. You just won't listen!😁
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I know. I’m just such an obstinate SOB! I appreciate your burning desire to help me in my time of need.
 
HighStickHarry said:
I think since it’s taboo for dave to play out his humiliation fetish with other women, he comes here to be shamed and mocked. It’s weird. I bet he flogs himself to reruns of the apprentice.
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I hope he’s not a fan of pegging. I would lose all respect for him.
 
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Josh Duggar should be sent to a reeducation camp for 6 months, forced to watch gay porn featuring 2 pesos and his new love queen Red Phoenix or whatever his name is.

The other funny thing about this thread is 2 pesos attacks Duggar as an extremist (which he is) yet fails to recognize that he himself is in fact, the same.
 
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Who said I have a problem?
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probably your pediatrician and your parents, but I thought we were going to talk about the duggers?

I’ll throw you some chum, what’s wrong with being anti gay? It’s in the Bible that dominates western culture. Why can’t we live in a world where we can be against things?
 
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The other funny thing about this thread is 2 pesos attacks Duggar as an extremist (which he is) yet fails to recognize that he himself is in fact, the same.
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When did I call Duggar an extremist?

Quote the post please.
 
AC2020 said:
Read your own posts Vlad.

I mean, damn, OSU is playing basketball on TV right now, just hired a top level DC, and you're doing this shit.
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I'm not doing any ****. I simply posted an article on a discussion board and asked for thoughts, and you right-wingers erupted in craziness. Claiming I believe this, and that, and more of that, and even more of this. 🤣

Next time, read the posts before you make a post instead of making a false assumption about what I am doing.
 
my_2cents said:
I'm not doing any ****. I simply posted an article on a discussion board and asked for thoughts, and you right-wingers erupted in craziness. Claiming I believe this, and that, and more of that, and even more of this. 🤣

Next time, read the posts before you make a post instead of making a false assumption about what I am doing.
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When you give advice do you shut your ears off?
 
my_2cents said:
I'm not doing any ****. I simply posted an article on a discussion board and asked for thoughts, and you right-wingers erupted in craziness. Claiming I believe this, and that, and more of that, and even more of this. 🤣

Next time, read the posts before you make a post instead of making a false assumption about what I am doing.
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Next time Mine Yo.
 
davidallen said:
The things that pass for entertainment in Arkansas. SMH.
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@davidallen You tuned in?
I never did. I would rather watch Portland burn, it was a lot more entertaining than watching piggie fans.

But we do get some pedo's from Portland sometimes. Oopsie daisy. You know this guy?

Portland Man Ambushed by Detectives After He's Allegedly Caught Grooming Minor in Arkansas​

Justin Devan Griffith, 29, was arrested and charged with attempted rape, 100 counts of computer child pornography, internet stalking of a child and sexually grooming a child

https://people.com/crime/oregon-man-allegedly-caught-grooming-arkansas-minor/
 
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