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That last question is the easiest to answer... Are you under the impression that retooling just now started? Can you name a car company in the US not focused on building an all electric line? You’re aware that John Deere is a decade into building autonomous electric tractors?This is exactly what I was talking about above....can bet your ass the CEO and on down don't believe that crap they are just parroting the line so everyone will "feel" good about FORD and their efforts. No chance in hell they will completely re-tool their whole line and go electric in basically 13 years. When this whole electric car deal falls on its ass whichever company decided to keep producing gas guzzlers will be very happy and their stock holders will be ecstatic!
Exactly where do all these people think ALL this electricity will come from?
I do, since CO2 isn’t the only factor.I would start with "Apocalypse Never" by M. Shellenberger and or "The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change" by Vincent Gray (its a bit older).
Let me pose a question to you, do you believe the earth can warm (or cool) regardless of atmospheric CO2 levels?
Electric mining equipment has already started being used too.That last question is the easiest to answer... Are you under the impression that retooling just now started? Can you name a car company in the US not focused on building an all electric line? You’re aware that John Deere is a decade into building autonomous electric tractors?
Seems things have been changing right under your nose, but you are just now becoming aware. Don’t worry, you’ll be just fine.
Completely agree... the only way to achieve real change is systemic incentives and meeting the needs/goals of consumers with better experiences. Short-haul air routes will be cheaper and safer on electric airplanes if just a little bit longer. Hyperloop will get you closer to your destination in a shorter time period for more money than current solutions. Between the two we will have more energy-efficient and cleaner transport in the next 15 years or so.Electric mining equipment has already started being used too.
The reason that electric automobiles will completely take over IMO is less about mpg or the environment than it is because they are simply better for most people’s needs, and that gap is only going to widen. No more stoping for gas. That alone would be enough to drive the change. Recharge at your own home, performance blows the doors off the ICE in many respects. Quiet. Far less maintenance. More storage.
Electric mining equipment has already started being used too.
The reason that electric automobiles will completely take over IMO is less about mpg or the environment than it is because they are simply better for most people’s needs, and that gap is only going to widen. No more stoping for gas. That alone would be enough to drive the change. Recharge at your own home, performance blows the doors off the ICE in many respects. Quiet. Far less maintenance. More storage.
All this is to me is a bunch of feel good nonsense
#1 marginal cost is zero. The grid has to be secured and upgraded in any case.sba, hope we're still both here battling in 2035......there are ~300 million cars, motorcycles, trucks etc in the US currently. If electric cars could survive on their own without government subsidies I'd be fine with the projects. My issue here is once again (just like green energy) the government is picking winners and loser with tax dollars.
Things I'm interested to know about electricity production for an almost all EV fleet in the US?
1. How much of the GDP will be consumed producing a more robust grid?
2. Will EV's be held to the same safety standards as internal combustion engine cars?
3. Right now ~74.6% of all electricity is produced by fossil fuels - coal, petroleum and gas) 8% is nuclear. If the world tries to wean itself off of fossil fuels where do you make up the lost equivalency?
4. As more and more EV's are built rare earth minerals will skyrocket in cost which will equal raised costs of EV's. Will the people that need EV's the most be able to afford them?
5. What will happen when the tertiary incomes/taxes are lost due to dropping fossil fuels use? Same with jobs?
6. Currently what is the highest HP generated by an EV type vehicle?
7. Per studies indicating that the true driver of climate warmth and cold is sun spots, we are heading into a cooling off period. Batteries perform worse in cold weather how is that overcome?
IMHO the only way I see this happening is a definite increase in nuclear power...or start building new homes underground, maybe both. Without nuclear this whole thing is a pipe dream and of course the government will only understand that when they have forced a bunch of onerous regulations on the population and can't go back.
All this is to me is a bunch of feel good nonsense and until you can drive the cost down (without subsidies) and get comparable performances as internal combustion engines this will be for a select market with minimal impact on the sale/ownership of internal combustion cars...at least until they can match safety standards, power, range, ease of use and costs.
You seem angry about EVs. Weird.Show us the picture again of the toy electric excavator you used when your house was flooding last spring @chubbyguy. Got tickets for the first e-airbus flights to Spokane and back in 2035 yet ?
You still smoking Camels too? Speaking of sheeple.Control the sheeple is a better description. No thanks; I'll keep driving my '86 944 on no ethanol. 🍺
You still smoking Camels too? Speaking of sheeple.
You hang out with the wrong folk...why would he lie to you like that? Wait a minute, is that one of your imaginary friends?Of course. According to my game watch partner and 40 year JD engineer who works with some EV tech: “the EV tractors are only hybrid and still are combined with big Diesel engines and, per my understanding, most of that thinking isn't power by EVs, it's powered by hot air”.
You seem like the type that would still deny that smoking causes cancer....Spare me your stupidity vag-fing; never smoked, but thanks for the dumb-ass response.
Completely agree... the only way to achieve real change is systemic incentives and meeting the needs/goals of consumers with better experiences. Short-haul air routes will be cheaper and safer on electric airplanes if just a little bit longer. Hyperloop will get you closer to your destination in a shorter time period for more money than current solutions. Between the two we will have more energy-efficient and cleaner transport in the next 15 years or so.
Can you highlight the “draconian and oppressive policies” you are subject to?Until the people making the rules are the first to feel the pain of the ecological challenge, then you'll never get the buy-in of the people. You want me to think that the world is at stake, then outlaw private jets and yachts. You have ANY idea how much CO2 a private plane creates or how much diesel these yachts burn per hour? But we can't ask the millionaires to do that. Its much easier to just dictate to the common folk that they need to tighten their belts and use less energy and expect to pay more for it. And then just to ensure those millionaires aren't inconvenienced by such draconian and oppressive policies, we even created a tool that will let the elitists buy their freedom from environmental oppression (hello carbon credits).
Can you highlight the “draconian and oppressive policies” you are subject to?
JimmyBob gets it more than I do. Just so we all know.Spare me your stupidity vag-fing; never smoked, but thanks for the dumb-ass response.
You seem like the type that would still deny that smoking causes cancer....
I pay $14 or so more pure month for pure renewable electricity. Sad that Texans couldn’t figure it out.Well, I avoid the stupidest states that have already implemented some of the policies. For example, I don't have brown-outs like my friends in California. Seems strange that its the only state in the country that thinks that turning off power for its citizens is better than implementing vegetation cleanup and power-line management. Or how about those cities (like Georgetown, TX) who committed to only using Green energy and seemed completely shocked that their utility costs didn't just double or triple, but rather increased 10X from the prior year. My fear though is that these moronic ideas are being pushed at the D.C. level, so in the future, there won't be a state where I'm safe from the lunacy.
Good to know you can listen to science. Sorry for your loss. My dad died of cancer as well.No, vag-fing, I don't: My dad died from it when I was 15. Continue on with your douche stupidity.
John Deere Demonstrates The GridCON Tractor In The Field | Farm And Plant Blog
This fully electric, fully autonomous tractor eschews heavy, expensive battery packs in favour of a 1,000-metre cable that feeds out and is retracted by a ro...www.farmandplant.ie
No I hang out with the right people. My specific friend I was referring to has his Phd in Engineering from Iowa State and we were referring to SESAM not Gridcon. He mentioned you looking at the fuel cells powered by water for your edification[/URL]John Deere Demonstrates The GridCON Tractor In The Field | Farm And Plant Blog
This fully electric, fully autonomous tractor eschews heavy, expensive battery packs in favour of a 1,000-metre cable that feeds out and is retracted by a ro...www.farmandplant.ie
So.... you misinterpreted his comment or he was wrong? JD clearly has all electric under development, both grid connected and fuel cell driven...No I hang out with the right people. My specific friend I was referring to has his Phd in Engineering from Iowa State and we were referring to SESAM not Gridcon. He mentioned you looking at the fuel cells powered by water for your edification
Oh and SESAM is all electric, you said that Deere was only doing “Hot Air” Hybrid. Am I missing something here?No I hang out with the right people. My specific friend I was referring to has his Phd in Engineering from Iowa State and we were referring to SESAM not Gridcon. He mentioned you looking at the fuel cells powered by water for your edification
The climate scam is one of the easiest to follow the money.
I’m all for cleaning the ocean.
We can probably do better than round’up which is literally everywhere.
And there is plenty of dough thrown at the problem, it just never gets where it can make a difference.
Like the Clintons and Haiti, 1.8B for us, 200MM for you.
Thanks for the non-link, but, even putting aside the serious flaws with that write up, it doesn’t address my question as to motive.
I strongly suspect the opposite is true. I think there are more votes to be had by pushing back against the effort to do something about climate change. But that’s just my gut read on things.If you preach that the end is coming (often while living in a sea level mansion on the coast), you will get votes.
If you get votes, you get power.
If you get power, you get money.
Is that gross or net?Musk: Electric Cars Will Require a Lot More Electric Power Than We Currently Have
Musk: Electric Cars Will Require a Lot More Electric Power Than We Currently Have
Tesla CEO Elon Musk says we’ll need more electricity to power cars like his. A lot more. Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said on Tuesday that electricity consumption will double if the worldR...pjmedia.com
I think this guy is a giant huckster, but a smart huckster......he says exactly whats wrong with the whole "all EV fleet" thinking that politicians with absolutely no knowledge what it will take always are spouting off about.
Wait, so Obama’s house is next to a pond not a bay? @07pilt will be glad to know we resolved that question once and for all.Musk: Electric Cars Will Require a Lot More Electric Power Than We Currently Have
Musk: Electric Cars Will Require a Lot More Electric Power Than We Currently Have
Tesla CEO Elon Musk says we’ll need more electricity to power cars like his. A lot more. Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said on Tuesday that electricity consumption will double if the worldR...pjmedia.com
I think this guy is a giant huckster, but a smart huckster......he says exactly whats wrong with the whole "all EV fleet" thinking that politicians with absolutely no knowledge what it will take always are spouting off about.
U.N. Climate Projects Swamped with Fraud, Corruption Allegations
The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) is facing allegations of fraud and corruption linked to the multibillion-dollar...www.breitbart.com
From another who can clearly define all seven components of critical thinking. Even after losing the 10 points from his IQ.Most useless, corrupt and pathetic group of shitbags on the planet. That they siphon off ~24% of their operating income from american taxpayers is criminal, irresponsible and proof of congressional ineptitude.
Baffles me how this organization is not de-funded and kicked the hell out of the US.... I once stayed at a hotel in Tbilisi ROG while a UN conference was going on. There were some riots one night (real peaceful riots) and the hotel staff said it would be best if we didn't venture out so everyone headed to the restaurant bar. Set will 4 people from the US that belonged to some BS UN group on climate and listened to more goofiness then one could in a pre-K class during story telling time. Uncharacteristically I just listened and when asked my opinion acted like it wasn't that important and I didn't care. Am certain I lost at least 10 IQ points listening to those idiots.
Last January, after climate scientists criticized Rep. Ocasio-Cortez for saying the world would end in 12 years, her spokesperson said “We can quibble about the phraseology, whether it’s existential or cataclysmic.” He added, “We’re seeing lots of [climate change-related] problems that are already impacting lives.”
That last part may be true, but it’s also true that economic development has made us less vulnerable, which is why there was a 99.7% decline in the death toll from natural disasters since its peak in 1931.
In 1931, 3.7 million people died from natural disasters. In 2018, just 11,000 did. And that decline occurred over a period when the global population quadrupled.
What about sea level rise? IPCC estimates sea level could rise two feet (0.6 meters) by 2100. Does that sound apocalyptic or even “unmanageable”?
Consider that one-third of the Netherlands is below sea level, and some areas are seven meters below sea level. You might object that Netherlands is rich while Bangladesh is poor. But the Netherlands adapted to living below sea level 400 years ago. Technology has improved a bit since then.
What about claims of crop failure, famine, and mass death? That’s science fiction, not science. Humans today produce enough food for 10 billion people, or 25% more than we need, and scientific bodies predict increases in that share, not declines.
AOC and the hard-left want the very socialistic Green New Deal to be pushed through so badly they’ll lie their heads off to make it happen and if it means scaring the population into compliance then so be it.Jakobshavn, which sits on Greenland’s west coast, has been growing thicker thanks to the North Atlantic Oscillation climate pattern which switches from warm to cold water every 20 years according to space.com. Climateers say that this is temporary because the oceans are warming, but Jakobshavn isn’t the only growing glacier. The two major glaciers at Glacier National Park (GNP) have been growing since 2010.
The GNP even had to quietly toss out signs they had put up that claimed the glaciers would be gone by 2020.
Yes you are missing a lot of something. The “hot air” remark from my buddy with the PhD in electrical engineering was aimed at folks of your ilk and his. He mentioned last night that the first patent for an electric tractor is from the 19th Century and that he knows the guy responsible for Gridcon, another huckster. If the thing has a cable over 1/2 mile long and is “autonomous”, who plugs/unplugs it in and out in the fields, how does it find its own outlet ? Thieves would love to steal that much copper (1000 meters), as you know in the production of methamphetamineOh and SESAM is all electric, you said that Deere was only doing “Hot Air” Hybrid. Am I missing something here?
Now I know you are making this stuff up... “how does it find it’s own outlet?”Yes you are missing a lot of something. The “hot air” remark from my buddy with the PhD in electrical engineering was aimed at folks of your ilk and his. He mentioned last night that the first patent for an electric tractor is from the 19th Century and that he knows the guy responsible for Gridcon, another huckster. If the thing has a cable over 1/2 mile long and is “autonomous”, who plugs/unplugs it in and out in the fields, how does it find its own outlet ? Thieves would love to steal that much copper (1000 meters), as you know in the production of methamphetamine
Also, the biggest problem with electric motors is heat. EV car lives are 4x that of IECs ? My cars usually last 20 years and if you are driving your Tesla for 40, 60 or more then you may recoup the expense someday.
As far e-airbuses in our lifetimes, good luck